Man Could Face Charges for Carrying iPhone Gun Case in London Airport

[Marshall73]

He is lucky to be alive. Police in England will shoot and kill you for carrying a table leg let alone a phone case.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3965207.stm

 

[8692574]

I'll be happy to buy you one of these if still available and have you walk into a major airport and see how that will turn out. What can go wrong? they are professional after all.

You can buy me one here if you want, iPhone 6 thank you, let me know if you need the address!! Funny that most of the cons argument are coming from Americans, who can buy a gun in the supermarket ....but go nuts about a plastic case muahahahhahahaha
And why would they not be avaiable anymore? Because they pose a threat to portability ?(yes they are ugly and bulky)..... I mean guns are still avaiable aren't they?? and those are the one that should be banned not the plastic cases!

Bonus points if he runs through the airport with it, and lunges towards police while grabbing at the gun-shaped phone case in his waistband. I mean, that's all perfectly legal, right?

This just shows how immature people are, he did not do anything like that..... now if he did that they would be in the right to make a fuss about it, but for simply carrying a case.....

Also, while I agree that it is common sense, show me 1 piece of evidence where it says that carrying an object shaped like a gun is ILLEGAL, the guy did not fo anything illegal.

 

[LordBeelzebub]

Come on people! Good Lord, let's consider the world we live in these days ffs. Who would be so stupid to carry something that looks like a gun when the world is always on high alert for potential terrorist attacks? You're just begging for trouble and no body is going to think its funny. We can't afford to have a reaction of, "oh lol, you pranked us good with your little iPhone case there, here is your slap on the wrist, you've been a bad boy, now you're free to go".

The idiot is lucky he didn't get shot. Although in my world stupid people like that deserve to be no questions asked. That's why we live in such a f'ed up world these days, too many idiots walking around.

Guns in general are devises that should be taken seriously and respected for what they are and meant for. People carrying things like that, that protray guns as a toy or a joke shouldn't be tolerated IMO. Not in the world we live in now, we can't afford to, because as someone else mentioned, while the authorities are detaining this guy, a real terrorist with a real gun or bomb is sneaking by planning to kill people.

Complete stupidity!

 

[Eraserhead]

Gun ownership in the rural areas is half of it. Go anywhere outside your house, and what, you can't have a gun? And Brexit isn't a good example of a protest. We have serious race issues here due to our history, but bills tend to go through peacefully. Anyway, in the city, I don't support legal carrying. I'm on the fence about it.

Also, you most definitely do not have freedom of speech. As horrible as it is to be racist, you apparently have the thought police protecting people against it, which is even worse. Anti-semitism is the example I've seen in the news, and that's the only reason I'm mentioning it. Yeah, Nazis are bad, but a lot of these people are just enraged Palestinians, and they get fined for being rude even if they aren't threatening. I'd think a speech-related crime would involve only jail time, not fines. A few examples: https://cst.org.uk/antisemitism/prosecutions
In the US, you wouldn't be prosecuted for most of these things. They're very careful to respect free speech. If you made an actual threat to someone's safety, you could be arrested and/or jailed, maybe sued in a civil court for harassment, and that's it.

Well, the UK is at least far better than France in that area.

Brexit is definitely a protest.
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He is lucky to be alive. Police in England will shoot and kill you for carrying a table leg let alone a phone case.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3965207.stm

Police in the US shoot unarmed black men at routine traffic stops. And that's last week not 15 years ago.

 

[sim667]

Sad commentary on society really. Doesn't matter if it's real or not. The fact that people panic if someone is carrying a gun is pathetic. People used to carry guns all the time, everywhere. How have we sunk so low? Time to move to Texas.

Hardly Panic is it?

Guns are illegal in the UK, he turned up with what looked like a gun at an airport, and wasn't shot.

Now compare this to the US where a black man gets pulled over, tells the officer he's armed (and that he's licensed to carry and its perfectly legal for him to), and they pin him down and execute him.

So why don't you lecture us some more on the notion of "panic"

 

[theluggage]

Also, while I agree that it is common sense, show me 1 piece of evidence where it says that carrying an object shaped like a gun is ILLEGAL, the guy did not fo anything illegal.

They haven't charged him yet. If they do, there's plenty of public order offences to choose from, plus offences for carrying imitation firearms in public places. Quite frankly, though, we could maybe do with a law on "being a completely irresponsible, thoughtless idiot" except he'd currently have to queue up behind the politicians.

 

[sim667]

They haven't charged him yet. If they do, there's plenty of public order offences to choose from, plus offences for carrying imitation firearms in public places. Quite frankly, though, we could maybe do with a law on "being a completely irresponsible, thoughtless idiot" except he'd currently have to queue up behind the politicians.

Its illegal to carry an imitation weapon in the UK in public, except under certain circumstances.

Turning up at an airport is not one of those "certain circumstances"

 

[mrex]

Next 50% of people traveling will be arrested because their hair dryer looks like a gun.....

Dont be silly - who is going to keep a hairdryer in a pocket? How about a hoover whick look like a flamer with a good imagination...

 

[D-Dave]

I mean guns are still avaiable aren't they?? and those are the one that should be banned not the plastic cases!

This just shows how immature people are, he did not do anything like that..... now if he did that they would be in the right to make a fuss about it, but for simply carrying a case.....

Also, while I agree that it is common sense, show me 1 piece of evidence where it says that carrying an object shaped like a gun is ILLEGAL, the guy did not fo anything illegal.

I don't think you realy get what everyone is trying to tell you:
1. The case is shaped to look like a gun (and looking at some of the pictures it does this convincingly while being partialy in a pocket)
2. He was in an area that qualifies as a "soft target" (=places with much higher then average likeness of terrorist attacks excluding military and governmental institutions)
3. attacks on "soft targets" usualy happen outside the secured area (=before people are checked for weapons)
4. Due to current events (-> if you are unaware you may check the news occasionaly) police in such areas are VERY sensitive when it comes to guns

Now to sum those points up: while the case itself (material) does not pose a threat, it is next to impossible security/police to be sure it is not a gun -> to them it is much more likely that it is a gun and they WILL act accordingly = neutralize the threat which may well lead to a) the guy carrying being tazed and arrested (lucky case) b) if he reaches for it and tries to explain that it is not a weapon he WILL be shot (and from the perspective of any objective observer rightfully so)

P.S. just in case you missed it: in the UK and most other european country it is illegal to have guns AND also to openly carry weapon replicas that are not OBVIOUSLY toys/replicas (think bright colored nerf guns)

 

[Phil A.]

Also, while I agree that it is common sense, show me 1 piece of evidence where it says that carrying an object shaped like a gun is ILLEGAL, the guy did not fo anything illegal.

https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q329.htm

Possession of even a toy gun in the UK can be an offence if it looks realistic so something that looks like a handgun when in your back pocket could definitely be considered illegal in the UK, and as this happened in the UK, it's our laws that need to be considered...

 

[Eraserhead]

https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q329.htm

Possession of even a toy gun in the UK can be an offence if it looks realistic so something that looks like a handgun when in your back pocket could definitely be considered illegal in the UK, and as this happened in the UK, it's our laws that need to be considered...

Good law IMO. Don't want to give the police an excuse to shoot unarmed people. Bad for both sides.

If the police think you are actually drawing a weapon on them they have to be able to shoot you.

 

[D-Dave]

Sad commentary on society really. Doesn't matter if it's real or not. The fact that people panic if someone is carrying a gun is pathetic. People used to carry guns all the time, everywhere. How have we sunk so low? Time to move to Texas.

In times where there is a shooting in the news weekly it is hardly surpising that people do NOT feel comfortable around gun wearing people that do not wear a uniform (and depending on ethnicity even around those that do)...
Thankfully the days of "everyone carrying a gun all the time, everywhere" never existed...well, apart from hollywood wild west...and maybe some inhabited pockets far away from civilisation...

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Gun ownership in the rural areas is half of it. Go anywhere outside your house, and what, you can't have a gun? And Brexit isn't a good example of a protest. We have serious race issues here due to our history, but bills tend to go through peacefully. Anyway, in the city, I don't support legal carrying. I'm on the fence about it.

Also, you most definitely do not have freedom of speech. As horrible as it is to be racist, you apparently have the thought police protecting people against it, which is even worse. Anti-semitism is the example I've seen in the news, and that's the only reason I'm mentioning it. Yeah, Nazis are bad, but a lot of these people are just enraged Palestinians, and they get fined for being rude even if they aren't threatening. I'd think a speech-related crime would involve only jail time, not fines. A few examples: https://cst.org.uk/antisemitism/prosecutions
In the US, you wouldn't be prosecuted for most of these things. They're very careful to respect free speech. If you made an actual threat to someone's safety, you could be arrested and/or jailed, maybe sued in a civil court for harassment, and that's it.

Well, the UK is at least far better than France in that area.

Being racist, homophobic, anti Semitic, or inciting terrorism all cross the line of freedom of speech. Tolerating people who display these opinions in public just creates unrest and allows people to be abused. I support freedom of speech, not provocative and offensive behaviour.

 

[8692574]

Good law IMO. Don't want to give the police an excuse to shoot unarmed people. Bad for both sides.

If the police think you are actually drawing a weapon on them they have to be able to shoot you.

Now i get him (and he is actually british!!) Shoot him!!!

 

[mijail]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Man, that was good.

 

[sim667]

He is lucky to be alive. Police in England will shoot and kill you for carrying a table leg let alone a phone case.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3965207.stm

Its actually very rare that police shoot and kill someone, this instance is so long ago (1999), I'd totally forgotten about it. The only ones I can think of are Mark Duggan, who I personally feel was wrongly killed, Charles De Menenzes, who was undoubtedly wrongly killed, and Mark Saunders, who I do feel was perfectly legit. There are probably more, but is the incidence of lethal shooting anywhere near as high as it is in other countries in the world? No where near.

 

[Stella]

And Brexit isn't a good example of a protest.

Yes, it was definitely a protest. Many people didn't vote on the basis of the topic. Many people voted "leave" the EU because they were getting fed up with the current government / establishment.. so these votes were actual protest votes.

 

[Marshall73]

Its actually very rare that police shoot and kill someone, this instance is so long ago (1999), I'd totally forgotten about it. The only ones I can think of are Mark Duggan, who I personally feel was wrongly killed, Charles De Menenzes, who was undoubtedly wrongly killed, and Mark Saunders, who I do feel was perfectly legit. There are probably more, but is the incidence of lethal shooting anywhere near as high as it is in other countries in the world? No where near.

I didn't say it was, don't get your knickers in a twist bub.
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Yes, it was definitely a protest. Many people didn't vote on the basis of the topic. Many people voted "leave" the EU because they were getting fed up with the current government / establishment.. so these votes were actual protest votes.

Now they will get an unelected leader and still be no further forward than they were before whilst facing price hikes on imported goods (10% electronics price increase already from the main electronics importers) potential deflation and a looming recession and this is BEFORE they have actually pulled the trigger on article 50.

Just how bad it is going to get no one knows and there is no plan of what they are actually going to do either.

All the while the press have painted a picture of the English being a bunch of racist biggots who want to ship all of the darkies home, who are actually British and not migrants from Europe.

It would all be hilarious if it wasn't auch a sad statement about society.

 

[peterh988]

https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q329.htm

Possession of even a toy gun in the UK can be an offence if it looks realistic so something that looks like a handgun when in your back pocket could definitely be considered illegal in the UK, and as this happened in the UK, it's our laws that need to be considered...

This is what can happen if you walk around with a toy gun. The 'child' came within seconds of being shot here.

 

[Stella]

In the UK you vote for your local MP which represents a party, you don't vote for a Prime Minister directly.

Each party elects a leader, which if the party wins an election ( first past the post - based upon the number of MPs elected ) becomes the Prime minister. It is not uncommon that the Primeminister will step down mid term and be replaced, for example Tony Blair. A change of prime minister is not a reason to trigger an election.

So there is no unelected leader due to how the election process works, as explained above.

Now they will get an unelected leader

 

[thermodynamic]

It is silly that they produce such thing..... but to risk because of a toy? I mean they check this kind of stuff and then the real deal does not get detected.....


How could you put peole in danger by carrying a case???

Try looking at it from a vast distance of 5 feet. You know, conditions closer to real life than a product showroom sale.

In any number of angles, you're not going to see it's a phone case. It looks mostly like a gun with a big rudder developed by a true punk getting off on something that isn't even remotely funny. It could be mistaken as any number of things from a reasonable distance and in real life circumstances where you cannot sit there for minutes trying to figure it out what the hell it is. Reasonable doubt. And when it comes to **** like this, deciding that it isn't a toy can lead to far worse circumstances.

Poking at law enforcement only causes the sort of issue that can lead to shootings.

If it were a gun, and it was gawked at and dismissed as a toy, then the same people would then whine and bleat about cops being lazy or taking chances.

Not accepted, sorry.

Maybe all cops should wear binoculars so they won't be fooled by these toys that look realistic from any distance until you see a whacking huge close-up like the one above. What a ****ing joke. Trip up someone then blame them for tripping. Not cool.

Sorry for the language. And yet people wonder why so much is out of whack and so wacked in this country... not the language, this crap being pulled.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

It is silly that they produce such thing..... but to risk because of a toy? I mean they check this kind of stuff and then the real deal does not get detected.....


How could you put peole in danger by carrying a case???

Do you really think the vast majority of the general public can tell the difference between a fake and real gun?

I really don't know why the comprehension of this situation is so vague for some on here?

 

[ForkHandles]

Sorry to disappoint. The photos in this article were not released by the police who were involved in the incident. This guys gun shaped case was discovered by the scanners looking through his luggage. That's why no charges were brought.

Still very silly though

 

[Gutwrench]

Nice click bait Mac Rumors.

 

[jnpy!$4g3cwk]

Its actually very rare that police shoot and kill someone, this instance is so long ago (1999), I'd totally forgotten about it. The only ones I can think of are Mark Duggan, who I personally feel was wrongly killed, Charles De Menenzes, who was undoubtedly wrongly killed, and Mark Saunders, who I do feel was perfectly legit. There are probably more, but is the incidence of lethal shooting anywhere near as high as it is in other countries in the world? No where near.

These articles have more information.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...an-azelle-rodney-seven-years-ago-8084763.html

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/uk-news/mark-duggan-lawfully-killed-police-6481583

A few of the cases sound like the bad cases in the U.S., but, 42 people (41 men, 1 woman) total in 15 years-- a remarkably low rate compared to the U.S.