March 1st as Possible Date for New MacBook Pros?

[Jacquesass]

All of this ODD non-debate has gotten me thinking. I have an older 15" MBP and am about ready to replace it. I've never considered a 13" MBP because it doesn't have:

1) Discrete graphics
2) i-series processor
3) ExpressCard slot (my 15" is old enough to have this)
4) higher resolution screen

Apple is already using a screen with my current resolution (1440x900) in the 13" MBA, so that's a definite possibility. The rest of my issues are basically "internal space" issues. I would happily trade an internal ODD for the external unit + the above + extra battery.

As a side note, I hope the new MBP have standard HD as an option - not because I don't want an SSD, but because I want to drop in a standard 2.5" SSD later.

 

[Mailia]

If my argument is flawed then everyone else's argument is baseless.

No they aren't. They are based on factual events that are happening right at the moment.

Yes, you posted an opinion that you had nothing to back up your reasoning with.

Well, neither did you back it up with anything, so it's 0 to 0.

Wait, what?! How is a rumor that adds up with Apple's recent statement about "the next generation of MacBooks" add up with the release of the Mac App Store??? WELL GOLLY I DONT KNOW

I am sensing an argument error or two, but oh well. Even if the rumor adds up with something, doesn't make it true and thus it's not actually any kind of evidence or fact to back your arguements up.

Actually that would go something like this:
Apple: "We've removed the optical drives from our laptops because we thought the benefits far outweigh keeping it in there"
Consumer: "I see their point of view and understand their reasoning for removing it"

Well, why did you say it the first way then because it didn't go that way? And still you can't put yourself in their shoes when you don't know how they operate and can no way relate this to your own real life experiences (feel free to say if you have some).

Better tell that to all of those MacBook Air owners in other countries.

I will, I will, because they don't really like media anyways, because they don't live in the States.

God forbid you have to "lug" around something that weighs 0.7 pounds and will likely be in the same briefcase you carry your MBP around in.

Should all laptop parts be removed in order to replace them with external ones, of course, with an added price. There could only be one USB, because people don't always need more than one and Apple could sell a 4-port USB hub for $39, if you are a power-user in need of more ports. Also, the trackpad? Gosh, no one uses that, they have mouses. Removed, Magic Trackpad on sale. Keyboards the same. You won't really notice the weight in your bag and it's as practical as our external DVD-drive!

 

[Hellhammer]

Yes, you posted an opinion that you had nothing to back up your reasoning with.

The ODD has been there for all these years. It's easier to assume that it stays there than make a baseless guess that it's going to get dumped now. It will happen someday but it does not mean that it must happen in the next update.

Besides, pretty much all sold computers still have an ODD.

 

[SeattleMoose]

Hello iPad....R.I.P. Laptop

All the "cool kids" no longer even own laptops. They own iPads and that is it!!!

At least according to teens I have talked to....

 

[dwsolberg]

What I want

They can release the normal updates, but here's my dream:

I want a 15" MacBook Air

• i3 or i5 with Sandy Bridge
• NO internal optical drive
• 10 hour battery
• Super high resolution screen
• up to 8 GB RAM
• Screen like the MBA's - sharp but not quite as glossy
• Solid State storage like MBA

Basically, it's a high-powered machine for those who are on the move. I realize the compromises don't work for everyone, but I think Apple's market size is probably big enough to extend the MBA concept to a larger screen size.

 

[aiqw9182]

No they aren't. They are based on factual events that are happening right at the moment.

"I predict the new iMac from Apple will have a floppy drive simply because that's what they've been using for a while despite recent rumors adding up with recent releases that would suggest otherwise completely."

Well, neither did you back it up with anything, so it's 0 to 0.

Recent introduction of the Mac App Store, recent rumor of Apple removing boxed software from their retail stores, recent talk about "the next generation of MacBooks" in relation to the Air. Hmm...

I am sensing an argument error or two, but oh well. Even if the rumor adds up with something, doesn't make it true and thus it's not actually any kind of evidence or fact to back your arguements up.

Yes, let's just ignore the rumor simply because it's a rumor despite this being a thread about rumors on a site about rumors.

Well, why did you say it the first way then because it didn't go that way? And still you can't put yourself in their shoes when you don't know how they operate and can no way relate this to your own real life experiences (feel free to say if you have some).

I provided a perfectly fine example before and now you are trying to play it off as "you can't do that". I most certainly can, I can see a company's perspective just as much as I can see Billy's perspective in relation to an argument he got into last week.

Should all laptop parts be removed in order to replace them with external ones, of course, with an added price. There could only be one USB, because people don't always need more than one and Apple could sell a 4-port USB hub for $39, if you are a power-user in need of more ports. Also, the trackpad? Gosh, no one uses that, they have mouses. Removed, Magic Trackpad on sale. Keyboards the same. You won't really notice the weight in your bag and it's as practical as our external DVD-drive!

This is hilarious. Do USB ports take up 1/4 space of the laptop internals? Is the paper thin trackpad really hurting us here? Your examples are trash. Give me an example where removing USB ports would be beneficial. Give me an example where removing the trackpad would be beneficial. I can give you a ton of reasons as to why removing the ODD would be beneficial.

The ODD has been there for all these years. It's easier to assume that it stays there than make a baseless guess that it's going to get dumped now. It will happen someday but it does not mean that it must happen in the next update.

Besides, pretty much all sold computers still have an ODD.

It isn't a baseless guess, it's adding up the recent release of the Mac App Store, the recent rumor of removal of physical software and Apple stating that the new MacBook Air was the future way of MacBooks.

 

[cmaier]

All the "cool kids" no longer even own laptops. They own iPads and that is it!!!

At least according to teens I have talked to....

Because teens buy most computers. Oh, wait.

It isn't a baseless guess, it's adding up the recent release of the Mac App Store, the recent rumor of removal of physical software and Apple stating that the new MacBook Air was the future way of MacBooks.

That's committing the logical error called "bootstrapping.". The very reason there are these other rumors is because people thought the app store and comments at the MBA announcement meant an eventual end to ODDs. If not for the app store and the MBA there wouldn't have been a rumor about removal of software from the store. You are pointing to unsubstantiated rumors spread by people who share your hypothesis as proof of the hypothesis.

 

[aiqw9182]

Give it a rest. He doesn't understand the burden of proof is on the guy arguing that the status quo is going to change.

He also doesn't think anyone else's usage cases or needs are valid.

Yes, how dare I suggest you carry around a 0.7lb optical drive in exchange for a more robust laptop.

That's committing the logical error called "bootstrapping.". The very reason there are these other rumors is because people thought the app store and comments at the MBA announcement meant an eventual end to ODDs. If not for the app store and the MBA there wouldn't have been a rumor about removal of software from the store. You are pointing to unsubstantiated rumors spread by people who share your hypothesis as proof of the hypothesis.

LOL, so the rumor wouldn't have existed if there was no Mac App Store or talk of the future of MacBooks... well of course not because then there wouldn't be a real alternative to installing software that Apple would see fit.

I'm still waiting for you to tell me what you will benefit from removing the trackpad and USB ports.

 

[cmaier]

Yes, how dare I suggest you carry around a 0.7lb optical drive in exchange for a more robust laptop.

MPBs are already robust enough for me. And why don't you try fitting a 17" MBP and an external ODD on an airplane tray some time and tell me again how practical your solution is to business users.

 

[Mailia]

I'm still waiting for you to tell me what you will benefit from removing the trackpad and USB ports.

Fine, last time then.

It's not about usefulness; It's just not right to remove useful stuff from you products in order to replace them with external ones, with an added price. That's the point I was making, in case you totally missed it.

 

[aiqw9182]

MPBs are already robust enough for me. And why don't you try fitting a 17" MBP and an external ODD on an airplane tray some time and tell me again how practical your solution is to business users.

Oh, so now who's saying that what he has is best for everyone? You put the optical drive above the hand rest.

Fine, last time then.

It's not about usefulness; It's just not right to remove useful stuff from you products in order to replace them with external ones, with an added price. That's the point I was making, in case you totally missed it.

...poor baby? Are you 10?

Your point was a joke. You removed something for no reason with no benefit. Removing the optical drive can result in multiple possibilities that will all be positive. You keep on riding that ODD train though, it will be finished before you have the chance to say goodbye.

 

[lordjimy]

I want new 15" MBP with quad sandy bridge, 16:10 resolution and with 4 USB ports.

On my early 2008 15" i only miss 1 or 2 usb ports (i know i can buy usb hub but they should have 4 USB ports for this price).

 

[Mailia]

Your point was a joke. You removed something for no reason with no benefit. Removing the optical drive can result in multiple possibilities that will all be positive. You keep on riding that ODD train though, it will be finished before you have the chance to say goodbye.

Actually, I don't want the ODD, but it's just too hard to to side with your logic.

 

[laurim]

MPBs are already robust enough for me. And why don't you try fitting a 17" MBP and an external ODD on an airplane tray some time and tell me again how practical your solution is to business users.

They're not robust enough for me and what I do to make money. Maybe a MacBook would be robust enough for you with an internal ODD and then the MacBook Pros can lose the ODD so there's room to add what I need to do MY job effectively. Then everyone would be happy.

BTW- can't the external just sit on your lap or in the magazine folder? My computer bag weighs 16 lbs BEFORE I put my 17" MBP in it so I don't have a lot of sympathy for someone complaining about a 0.7 lb accessory.

 

[leman]

I, for once, would be very happy if Apple drops the ODD or at least make it optional. For me, its a dead weight which I never ever used and which takes away the valuable internal space. I will trade the ODD for better graphics / second hdd slot any time a day. All my software / movies / music is digitalized and conveniently stored on external hdds / cloud. The only time I use a DVD is to reinstall the OS, and i'd be happy if I had the installer on a SD card instead

 

[peekay427]

Regarding the optical drive, a lot of people seem to think it might be removed completely. I haven't seen any posts suggesting the opposite: that they upgrade the optical drive to also be a Blu-Ray player. Does anyone think that this is realistic at all because personally, that would be my preference.

I don't have much of a choice about upgrading my system. I have a MBP that I purchased in early 2006, and the thing gets smoking hot and snail slow really quickly. So I'll be getting the new model, assuming it's a real upgrade no matter what. But, I'd love it if I had a big chunk of solid state memory, a nice new processor and a blu-ray player. Any chance this actually happens?

 

[asdf542]

Regarding the optical drive, a lot of people seem to think it might be removed completely. I haven't seen any posts suggesting the opposite: that they upgrade the optical drive to also be a Blu-Ray player. Does anyone think that this is realistic at all because personally, that would be my preference.

I don't have much of a choice about upgrading my system. I have a MBP that I purchased in early 2006, and the thing gets smoking hot and snail slow really quickly. So I'll be getting the new model, assuming it's a real upgrade no matter what. But, I'd love it if I had a big chunk of solid state memory, a nice new processor and a blu-ray player. Any chance this actually happens?

https://www.macrumors.com/2010/06/30/steve-jobs-suggests-blu-ray-not-coming-to-mac-anytime-soon/

 

[Adidas Addict]

Enough about the damn superdrive already

 

[TigerWoodsIV]

Numerous Apple store people have told me that they don't know any sooner than we do. And it's a rare occasion that anything is released on the same day it's announced anymore. There's usually at least a 1-2 day delay because boxes reveal specs.

My dream list for the next MacBook Pro update:

1) SSD shipping by default (no more spinning hard drives)
2) SSD in packages like the MacBook Air (reduced space)
3) Death of the optical drive (more reduced space, no one uses it on a regular basis anyway)
4) Larger battery
5) 13" gets 1440x900 as default screen resolution
6) 15" gets 1680x1050 as default screen resolution
7) All LED screens are now IPS like the iPad/iPhone 4
8) 13" gets discrete graphics (because of #2 and 3 giving increased space for cooling)
9) Bluetooth 3.0 (just for good measure)

Yep, that'd be a pretty worthwhile update. Of course, since it's Apple, we'll get about 1/2 this stuff by 2013, but of course the world will have ended by then. =/

The first 7 would be quite nice...

 

[CompLuter]

so excited eeeeeeeee!

 

[gramirez2012]

Really excited for the refresh, as my mom really needs a new computer. I'm curious though, if they remove the Optical drive, how will Apple be distributing Mac OS? USB Flash Drive? FireWire stick?

 

[laser71]

Enough about the damn superdrive already

+1. Would the people bickering back and forth please take it outside.

 

[McGigio]

Really excited for the refresh, as my mom really needs a new computer. I'm curious though, if they remove the Optical drive, how will Apple be distributing Mac OS? USB Flash Drive? FireWire stick?

Yes, like MacBook Air

 

[Eidorian]

Why the old 4xx Geforce card? The 500-generation is readily available.

You are not going to find any differences beyond clock speed.

 

[JGowan]

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