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What is relevant though is that Apple can only put discrete graphics in the 13" if they remove the ODD.

Apple could swap the HD for mSATA SSD or shrink the battery in order to increase the size of the logic board to fit three major chips.
 
Is 200 forints to the USD a reasonable approximation? If so those prices are outrageous! (Even if they include some form of VAT)

These are normal prices here in europe, basic MBP 13 starts at aprox. 1500$ here in Czech Republic (with 20% vat incl. and 2 years warranty)
 
Apple could swap the HD for mSATA SSD or shrink the battery in order to increase the size of the logic board to fit three major chips.
mSATA SSD - sizes smaller than the 1199 MacBook Air that comes with 128GB of flash storage.
Battery - both of us know this is not going to happen.

That leaves the ODD which lines up perfectly with the removal of physical software from Apple's retail stores and the introduction of the Mac App Store.
 
mSATA SSD - sizes smaller than the 1199 MacBook Air that comes with 128GB of flash storage.
Battery - both of us know this is not going to happen.

That leaves the ODD which lines up perfectly with the removal of physical software from Apple's retail stores.

Or the ODD stays there and Apple uses the Intel IGP. Honestly, I think that is what they are going to do.
 
Or the ODD stays there and Apple uses the Intel IGP. Honestly, I think that is what they are going to do.

Well, let's look at this from the perspective of Apple.

"We could either remove the ODD and put discrete graphics in or we can leave the ODD that we want to kill eventually and use Intel's graphics.""Hmm..."

If Apple had no plans of killing it off this refresh then Apple wouldn't be removing retail software from their stores.
 
Well, let's look at this from the perspective of Apple.

"We could either remove the ODD and put discrete graphics in or we can leave the ODD that we want to kill eventually and use Intel's graphics.""Hmm..."

If Apple had no plans of killing it off this refresh then Apple wouldn't be removing retail software from their stores.
You can't play the "perspective of Apple" card unless you're Apple.
 
Well, let's look at this from the perspective of Apple.

"We could either remove the ODD and put discrete graphics in or we can leave the ODD that we want to kill eventually and use Intel's graphics.""Hmm..."

If Apple had no plans of killing it off this refresh then Apple wouldn't be removing retail software from their stores.

The removal of the ODD is a moot point. There are arguments for and against it. Even though there are lots of arguments for it, it does not mean that Apple will do that, yet. The truth is, we have to wait till the update to see what will happen.

Personally, I would like to see it being removed but I don't think it's going to happen in next update.
 
Something about change glossy screen to matte screen? I suppose still no. IMHO a screen like a mirror is not a "Pro" screen.

I hate that effect... :(

i dont think so either, at least you likely will have the bto option...

however i dont think the glossy option is more or less pro than the matte. its more about what you are doing. there is definitely pro and contra on both sides. i'm a photographer and i owned both the 17" glossy and the 15" matte. i sold the matte because the glossy looked so much better when presenting my fotos to clients.... i mean clients haven't been unhappy but before when presenting on the glossy i was hearing comments like 'wow tack sharp or amazing' frequently. this didnt happen anymore with the matte screen! this got so conspicuous and because i liked the glossy look better myself as well, i switched back to glossy!!
regards
 
You can't play the "perspective of Apple" card unless you're Apple.
Yes, because clearly you have to be someone to get their perspective. :rolleyes:

The removal of the ODD is a moot point. There are arguments for and against it. Even though there are lots of arguments for it, it does not mean that Apple will do that, yet. The truth is, we have to wait till the update to see what will happen.

Personally, I would like to see it being removed but I don't think it's going to happen in next update.
Then explain to me why Apple started removing retail software from their retail stores now as opposed to the next refresh? Only reason Apple saw fit to keep the ODD was for installing software and that's now gone.
 
Then explain to me why Apple started removing retail software from their retail stores now as opposed to the next refresh? Only reason Apple saw fit to keep the ODD was for installing software and that's now gone.

It was just a rumor. Feel free to share some proofs that Apple has already started removing retail software from retail stores.

With the success of the iTunes App Store and the launch of the Mac App Store, it seems clear that the long term future of software sales is going to be digital distribution. Based on what we've heard from our sources, however, Apple is planning on making the move to all digital sooner than expected at their retail stores. Apple is working towards eliminating boxed software and presumably focusing sales through the Mac App Store.

https://www.macrumors.com/2011/02/07/apple-to-eliminate-retail-box-software-inventory/
 
Yes, because clearly you have to be someone to get their perspective. :rolleyes:


Then explain to me why Apple started removing retail software from their retail stores now as opposed to the next refresh? Only reason Apple saw fit to keep the ODD was for installing software and that's now gone.

Apple stores still have all the same retail software they had last month,at least here in silicon valley. Don't use one unsubstantiated rumor as proof of another.
 
Yes, because clearly you have to be someone to get their perspective. :rolleyes:
Uhm, yeah, that's how it works. You can't have my perspective and I can't have yours. You may try to imagine how I see things and I may imagine how you see things, based on a lot of factors, but you still can't make anything solid out of it really. I doubt you have Apple's agenda on your mind that well that you can start talking about their perspective.

Only reason Apple saw fit to keep the ODD was for installing software and that's now gone.
I'm pretty sure people still buy and rents DVDs and Apple has to offer them something as well. Software isn't the only reason.
 
Apple stores still have all the same retail software they had last month,at least here in silicon valley. Don't use one unsubstantiated rumor as proof of another.

It was just a rumor. Feel free to share some proofs that Apple has already started removing retail software from retail stores.

https://www.macrumors.com/2011/02/07/apple-to-eliminate-retail-box-software-inventory/
Oh yes, how dare I use a rumor to back up what I've been saying as opposed to both of you who have used... nothing to back up your argument? :rolleyes:

The rumor adds up.

Uhm, yeah, that's how it works. You can't have my perspective and I can't have yours. You may try to imagine how I see things and I may imagine how you see things, based on a lot of factors, but you still can't make anything solid out of it really. I doubt you have Apple's agenda on your mind that well that you can start talking about their perspective.
It's called putting yourself in someone else's shoes. Ever heard of that saying? No?

Person 1: "I can't believe that bitch took my money"
Person 2: "I can see your point of view, I had a bitch steal my money last week"

I'm pretty sure people still buy and rents DVDs and Apple has to offer them something as well. Software isn't the only reason.
More people will buy through iTunes, which is what Apple wants you to do.
 
Oh yes, how dare I use a rumor to back up what I've been saying as opposed to both of you who have used... nothing to back up your argument? :rolleyes:

Roll your eyes all you want. I didn't make an argument and hence I have no need to back anything up.

But you stated as a fact that apple removed software from its stores, and claimed that this proves it's time to remove the ODD. We merely pointed out the premise of your argument is flawed. Apple has removed nothing from it's stores. When an argument is based on a faulty premise, it must be discarded.
 
Oh yes, how dare I use a rumor to back up what I've been saying as opposed to both of you who have used... nothing to back up your argument? :rolleyes:

The rumor adds up.

I didn't post an argument, I posted an opinion.

Personally, I would like to see it being removed but I don't think it's going to happen in next update.

I already said it's pointless to argue because no matter how many arguments there are for it, it does not mean that it's going to happen for sure.

It's called putting yourself in someone else's shoes. Ever heard of that saying? No?

Person 1: "I can't believe that bitch took my money"
Person 2: "I can see your point of view, I had a bitch steal my money last week"

I didn't know you designed a laptop last week.
 
Oh yes, how dare I use a rumor to back up what I've been saying as opposed to both of you who have used... nothing to back up your argument? :rolleyes:

The rumor adds up.
Wait, what?! How is a rumor being evidence better than the evidence of the status quo?

It's called putting yourself in someone else's shoes. Ever heard of that saying? No?

Person 1: "I can't believe that bitch took my money"
Person 2: "I can see your point of view, I had a bitch steal my money last week"
Apple: "I'm so going to remove the optical drives out of my hugely successful laptops."
You, apparently: "I can see your point of view, I removed the optical drives out of my hugely successful laptops as well."

The two are not the same. You are not Apple. You're not a big company making technology products.

More people will buy through iTunes, which is what Apple wants you to do.
How many countries does that work now in? Can I count them with a finger or will I need a whole hand?
 
Wait, what?! How is a rumor being evidence better than the evidence of the status quo?

The two are not the same. You are not Apple. You're not a big company making technology products.

Apple does what they want and consumers fall in line. While there are gripes and moans, consumers still tend to continue to buy Apple products regardless of any shortcomings due to Steve Jobs decisions on what he thinks is best. As many complaints are there on potential ipad2 rumors, it's still guaranteed to sell extremely well, even to those on here who moaned about potential lack of features. I venture to say a lot of the complainers on here will still fall in line and buy the product. It's the Apple way.
 
Roll your eyes all you want. I didn't make an argument and hence I have no need to back anything up.

But you stated as a fact that apple removed software from its stores, and claimed that this proves it's time to remove the ODD. We merely pointed out the premise of your argument is flawed. Apple has removed nothing from it's stores. When an argument is based on a faulty premise, it must be discarded.
If my argument is flawed then everyone else's argument is baseless.


I didn't post an argument, I posted an opinion.

I already said it's pointless to argue because no matter how many arguments there are for it, it does not mean that it's going to happen for sure.

I didn't know you designed a laptop last week.
Yes, you posted an opinion that you had nothing to back up your reasoning with.

Wait, what?! How is a rumor being evidence better than the evidence of the status quo?
Wait, what?! How is a rumor that adds up with Apple's recent statement about "the next generation of MacBooks" add up with the release of the Mac App Store??? WELL GOLLY I DONT KNOW

Apple: "I'm so going to remove the optical drives out of my hugely successful laptops."
You, apparently: "I can see your point of view, I removed the optical drives out of my hugely successful laptops as well."

The two are not the same. You are not Apple. You're not a big company making technology products.
Actually that would go something like this:
Apple: "We've removed the optical drives from our laptops because we thought the benefits far outweigh keeping it in there"
Consumer: "I see their point of view and understand their reasoning for removing it"

How many countries does that work now in? Can I count them with a finger or will I need a whole hand?
Better tell that to all of those MacBook Air owners in other countries. ;)


Completely impractical in a business environment, particularly when I have the only Mac (not supported by IT). I use it in my office and on the road, and don't want to lug an external drive (and have no ability to network to one).
God forbid you have to "lug" around something that weighs 0.7 pounds and will likely be in the same briefcase you carry your MBP around in.
 
Either use Remote Disc or buy a USB SuperDrive. When you take a look and see how much space the SuperDrive + HDD take up in a MacBook Pro, you can see why we'd want them removed. It's 1/2 the laptop!

http://guide-images.ifixit.net/igi/FkpKKrqQlYsgNBq6.medium

95% of people would probably rather have a laptop that can get 12 hours battery life than the ability to install Adobe CS5 ONCE.

And I'm not calling for the death of optical media, but there's little reason it needs to be standard in all laptops when most people don't use it besides DVDs (again, external SuperDrive is available for them).

I think you make a very fair and excellent point. I realize my use of the optical is certainly rare as compared to other features, and I certainly would consider the trade-off. I guess my real hope is becoming more tied to the OS and future support of blu-ray, and an ability to install an internal Blu-ray drive in my Mac Pro, which is where I really do the heavy hitting, or have an external play fully with an external blu-ray drive. I just am not sure what the real differentiation would be between the Air and the Pro at that point though. Would it all just be essentially an Air line, maybe eventually going from 11, 13, 15 and 17 inches?
 
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