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Nor do you.

All we know is the data we currently have. Anything else is speculation. You keep poo-pooing all of us that are relying on actual numbers, when all you are relying on is guesses.
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Ha ha.

No.

Perhaps. But I’ll err on the side that these things blow over pretty quickly. Meanwhile it’s funny to laugh at the nutjobs.
 
I don't think we need to cancel all forms of public events, but this was definitely the right thing to do for this one. In addition to packing people in like sardines, any event where you have people handling samples, demos, and prototypes on display is one that's ripe for mass transmission.

I have to imagine anyone who's working at the Apple Store is going to be extra busy the next few months spraying down devices like they were bombs that would go off if they weren't cleaned in time.

I stopped working at an Apple store a few months ago and am so glad I did. Sooo many people leaving nasty residue on devices and the cleaner the stores use doesn’t have disinfectant.
 
A bad cold? Sure. It probably won't affect you directly, or any younger or healthy person. It will mostly affect the old and the already sick. I mean, that is part of nature, we are all gonna die. So say goodbye to your auntie and granny and move on with your life.

But here's the deal. This virus is several times more contagious than regular flu, on par with Spanish flu.It is as deadly as Spanish flu, around 1%. That virus killed 100 million people. That will not happen again, because we are more advanced now, but it will certainly kill millions eventually, if it is not contained (and it won't be).

The secondary effects are already visible: quarantines, restrictions, disturbances in supply chains, increasingly strained health care, stock market crash. Eventually health care systems will break down, like in Hubei (I recommend you watch available documentaries) and recession will set in.

This is where you come in. You and your money. It's just a bad cold, but it might cost you your job and make your 401k go south. It will mean bad times for many more than those who die or are chronically impaired by the disease.

Ignorance is bliss, and people like you are part of the problem.

Coronavirus isn't even that bad. Not good, obviously, but it's just a bad cold. Compromised immune systems should avoid ANY cold/flu.

A few days of high temps that CDC gives freaking ibuprofen and gatorade. Can everyone just freaking chill out?
 
Coronavirus isn't even that bad. Not good, obviously, but it's just a bad cold. Compromised immune systems should avoid ANY cold/flu.

A few days of high temps that CDC gives freaking ibuprofen and gatorade. Can everyone just freaking chill out?

What treatment do you usually prescribe for viruses?
 
Better to be safe.

As a result of the travel ban, the number of "unknown origin" cases in the U.S. will likely increase. If you start banning certain groups, they'll still find a layover country to scrub their travel history and enter the U.S. Instead of tracking people, you end up with no data for people entering the U.S.

How does "layover country travel history scrubbing" work? Your travel history shows up on your passport. How do you get around this?
 
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What is the difference now and then?
There is a new virus every few years, only now scientists found a way to name and identify the culprit. 10 years ago this would be just a tougher than average flu season.

The world has gone crazy just because the media is hyping everything up to get some attention.

Ten years ago, if this virus were not identified, there would be no quarantines, and you would already have seen ten times the number of cases world-wide.
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Why don't we just cancel everything now, instead of "waiting to be canceled soon"

Because canceling prematurely will only reduce virus transmission slightly, but would shut down the economy. Try 30% unemployment. That would probably kill more people than just this virus alone.
 
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How does "layover country travel history scrubbing" work? Your travel history shows up on your passport. How do you get around this?

Your entire history doesn't show up on your passport. Many countries use electronic systems and don't share the data.

E.g. U.S. citizen goes to Australia. Then they fly to Hong Kong. This person is also a Hong Kong Identity Card holder because they were born in HK. They travel to China by using a Return Home Permit card (issued to HKID holders). When this person needs to return to the U.S., there is no evidence they went to China. A Canadian citizen and HKID card holder can enter and exit HK and China without a single stamp.

In the above example, there is not a single stamp on the U.S. or Canadian passport. More than a dozen places like Australia, Japan, Hong Kong, and South Korea no longer stamp passports on entry or exit.
 
It started in China. They have a better health system than the United States. They make most of the equipment and supplies used by American hospitals. They keep the good stuff and sell the lower quality stuff to the Yanks.
That must be why the whistleblower Dr and others who tried to warn in the early days were arrested not heard from again. Great medical care means squat when Ideology controls all.
 
How does "layover country travel history scrubbing" work? Your travel history shows up on your passport. How do you get around this?
I am not sure what he’s talking about, but several times I’ve entered countries without getting my passport stamped. One trip to Italy, for example. And a trip to france where I stopped for a few days in italy.
 
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I am not sure what he’s talking about, but several times I’ve entered countries without getting my passport stamped. One trip to Italy, for example. And a trip to france where I stopped for a few days in italy.

Yes, I travel all over within Europe, and also to / from USA. In my experience I typically do get stamp when first enter and when exit EU. Nothing traveling between EU countries.

If USA decided, for example, to restrict USA travel from/to Italy in some way, it will be difficult to implement fully effectively. Easy to get around it, for USA citizens traveling to Italy, and for citizens of other EU countries traveling to USA immediately after a recent Italy visit.
 
I stopped working at an Apple store a few months ago and am so glad I did. Sooo many people leaving nasty residue on devices and the cleaner the stores use doesn’t have disinfectant.

You have my deepest sympathies. Whenever I need to go to the Apple Store during cold/flu season, I make it a point to not touch anything and hope I can get in and out of there as fast as possible. I will not even set foot in the store unless I really really need to. When it's packed it just looks like a giant petri dish from the outside... quite literally, a petri dish.
 
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Also E3 could be cancelled

E3 is a bit of an exaggeration on your behalf, that’s not until the second week of June, next to WWDC.

_If_ the E3 conference was in April per se, then I would probably think you’d have a point, but that far out until June, I don’t see your example here being relevant.
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You have my deepest sympathies. Whenever I need to go to the Apple Store during cold/flu season, I make it a point to not touch anything and hope I can get in and out of there as fast as possible. I will not even set foot in the store unless I really really need to. When it's packed it just looks like a giant petri dish from the outside... quite literally, a petri dish.

Just my thoughts on this. I can respect that your ‘germ conscious’, as am I to an extent with Regimented hygiene/sanitization procedures. But for you to have that type of anxiety where you feel the need to not even visit a department store unless you absolutely need to, makes me almost wonder if it’s something where you need to seek help. That’s not a way to live if you’re overly conscious of being out in public, that causes you almost to the point to become a recluse to leave your home.

Really, I get it, sometimes the media Can exacerbate things where it puts you in a state where it causes you to be overly-conscious, but it should _never_ have control over your life where you can’t visit a store because you’re overly concerned that you may ‘breathe’ the same air as someone else. That’s absurd to live like that, and quite frankly, you’re allowing your own anxiety to control your actions Versus you having the control. Just something to think about.
 
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Really, I get it, sometimes the media Can exacerbate things where it puts you in a state where it causes you to be overly-conscious, but it should _never_ have control over your life where you can’t visit a store because you’re overly concerned that you may ‘breathe’ the same air as someone else. That’s absurd to live like that, and quite frankly, you’re allowing your own anxiety to control your actions Versus you having the control. Just something to think about.

I know you're trying to help so I'm not offended, but this is assuming a lot more than I wanted to put forward. I'm not germ phobic for myself. Most colds I get barely even register with me.

It does suck to have to live like this (for a few months every year), but I'm not doing it for myself and that's all I want to say.
 
I will be a photographer at a dance convention in 2 weeks in Gatlinburg, Tennessee. There will be around 1,000 people there from mostly the East Coast of the United States.

Should I be worried? :oops:
You sound like you are already worried.
tell me, are you healthy? Are you active? If you’re active its safe to assume you’ve got a healthy immune system.
if your diet is poor and you’re not an active person. Yeah I’d be very worried. I’d stay home and only leave if i must.
 
Yes, I travel all over within Europe, and also to / from USA. In my experience I typically do get stamp when first enter and when exit EU. Nothing traveling between EU countries.

If USA decided, for example, to restrict USA travel from/to Italy in some way, it will be difficult to implement fully effectively. Easy to get around it, for USA citizens traveling to Italy, and for citizens of other EU countries traveling to USA immediately after a recent Italy visit.
This is correct. Your passport is only stamped at the first point of entry into the European Union. Travel between all countries in the EU are free travel and you don't get your passport stamped in any of those countries. This includes Italy.
 
You have my deepest sympathies. Whenever I need to go to the Apple Store during cold/flu season, I make it a point to not touch anything and hope I can get in and out of there as fast as possible. I will not even set foot in the store unless I really really need to. When it's packed it just looks like a giant petri dish from the outside... quite literally, a petri dish.

Literally! Even the break room is gross. People leaving food and drinks in lockers. We’ve seen ants, roaches and bed bugs.

The worst part is that people don’t want to call out of work, so they’ll come in sick. We’ll have meetings in small rooms or hallways that are just breeding grounds for germs.

But yeah you are smart to only go when you need to and to not touch devices. We also get a lot of homeless people in Apple stores (at least in major cities) and yeah... You can imagine.
 
E3 is a bit of an exaggeration on your behalf, that’s not until the second week of June, next to WWDC.

Oh dear, I am rather sorry but you appeared to have taken a part of my comment, and used it out of context, you see, if you look at my comment as a whole, which would be gratefully appreciated I can assure you :), you will see I also stated it all depends on what happens this month, March.
If the virus doesn’t spread beyond say a couple of thousand in each country then I’d agree yes, events in the summer will happen as normal.
If however, as my comment was in context implied, the virus spread to hundreds of thousands which is entirely possible, then no I cannot see events like E3 being held this year.
I apologise if my original comment confused you but that is why I implied.
 
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