Marijuana compared to other drugs...

Discussion in 'Community Discussion' started by nightdweller25, Apr 23, 2006.

  1. nightdweller25 macrumors 6502

    Mar 2, 2005
    Why is marijuana illegal to consume yet we are allowed to drink alcohol which is literally like poison to our bodies? And why can we smoke cigarettes that are unhealthy for us? Alcohol puts someone in an impaired state, and cigarettes may increase health problems, marijuana is basically the combination of these two things with a few exceptions: when you are under the influence of marijuana, you are aware of your state and have more control than say someone who is drunk, you can literally die from drinking too much alcohol yet only one documented person has ever died form smoking too much marijuana, marijuana has no physically addictive chemicals like other drugs, and while marijuana has 400 chemicals, cigarettes have 700. So what's the big deal? Why do people blow it up into something it's not?
  2. Blue Velvet Moderator emeritus

    Jul 4, 2004
    There's a lot of history involved with plenty of collusion between business and government. If alcohol and tobacco had only been discovered yesterday, they'd probably be illegal in most countries as well.

  3. mac4drew macrumors regular


    Mar 4, 2003
    Think about it. There's no way to make money from Marijuana. It's called weed because it grows like a weed, so anyone could just grow their own rather than pay for it. If there were some easy way to capitalize off of it then it would definitely be legal today.
  4. CorvusCamenarum macrumors 65816


    Dec 16, 2004
    Birmingham, AL
    1) Because the government can't regulate it to get its cut (sin taxes). It takes a lot more effort to cultivate tobacco or brew alcohol than it does to put a plant in a pot and watch it grow.

    2) Because society has decided that it doesn't want it around. Then again, I have a hard time trying to figure out why I would want to ingest something that a) makes me needlessly hungry, b) compels me to sit in the corner for three hours contemplating the wonders of string, c) impairs my ability to count and do other basic math, and d) provides a false escape from the world around me.

    Just my opinion.
  5. Dagless Suspended


    Jan 18, 2005
    Fighting to stay in the EU
    CorvusCamenarum has it in 2. It could be grown anywhere, but then again beer and other alcoholic drinks can be brewed anywhere. Albeit I don't think it's as good as real stuff.

    Plus the whole social thing. Alcohol has become a 'social' drug. where cannabis is anti-social, doesn't it make the user isolated? Locked in their own mind? with tunnel vision etc. I think that it's some kind of social easer it makes it more accessible and less threatening.

    i dunno, I don't take any so I can't really say. :) I've only seen the hugely negative effect it's had on my family. My brother is a heavy drug abuser and it's destroying our family. At first he only took cannabis, but went onto speed and ecstasy but has gone down to cannabis only now - through lack of finances! He is single handedly ruining our family home through constant arguing and violence. Plus through cannabis he developed some nasty mental problems. *shrugs* "drugs are teh r0xx0rs"
  6. Electro Funk macrumors 65816

    Electro Funk

    Dec 8, 2005
    The Opium Garden
    I dont believe there are any documented cases of anyone kicking the bucket from a marijuana overdose... if there is one, i would like to see it...
  7. Electro Funk macrumors 65816

    Electro Funk

    Dec 8, 2005
    The Opium Garden
    i used to brew my own beer in college... mmmmmm those were the days...

    i think it was better than the real stuff! :D
  8. Peyton macrumors 68000


    Feb 2, 2006
    Curious, am I the only one living (20yrs) that has never done any drugs at all? never been too interested in any of it, I don't know why it isn't legal tho, many people do it.
  9. katie ta achoo macrumors G3

    May 2, 2005
    I'm 18 and I've never done it. I've been prescribed narcotic pain killers for kidney stone pain, but that's it.

    I'd rather like to remember the party I was at, than get trashed and wake up, forgetting what happened.
  10. Shamus macrumors 6502a


    Feb 26, 2006
    I read anstudy a while back that claimed no-one has ever died of marijuana. They also worked out how much marijuana you would have to smoke before it killed you. The quantity was astronomical, so they approximated it at roughly the size of a small room. Not only that, it needed to be smoked within an hour. :eek:

    Other than for a high, the marijuana plant is really useful for other things, such as clothing, and ropes. Extremely durable material. It is a wonderful plant.
  11. SamIchi macrumors 68030


    Aug 1, 2004
    Hah, that's the parts I like.
    a) It makes food tastes better. You don't always get hungry, when high. But if it's there, it makes it that much sweeter.
    b) Sometimes it's nice to just space out. You think about things you would never think about when you're sober. It makes you seriously think about life, even though I forget most of the time, but if you write it down, you'll be amazed at what you've thought about.
    c) If I had to do math problems, I wouldn't be getting high.
    d) I guess you could say that, but so does alcohol. I wouldn't consider it a "false" escape, it's just altered. I'm always aware of my surroundings when intoxicated. Maybe a little slow, but I'm always aware.

    I know plenty of people that don't drink or smoke. It's not that big of a deal.
  12. FFTT macrumors 68030


    Apr 17, 2004
    A Stoned Throw From Ground Zero
    One major problem is that any use of Marijuana is considered drug abuse.

    In other words, in the eyes of the government use = abuse.

    You can have one drink for an occasional nightcap and no one would see that as a problem or consider you an alcoholic, but God help you if you get caught with even the slightest trace of Marijuana and suddenly you're guilty of drug abuse.

    As mentioned above, it would be very difficult for the government to control taxation of a weed that anyone with a green thumb could cultivate for their own personal use.

    How many times have you read an article blaming the use of Marijuana for a tragic accident.

    In most cases, the person involved was also drinking or taking other harmful drugs, but the publicity spin will blame Marijuana and ignore the fact that the responsible party also had 3 DWI's drank a six pack, and is one of those people who's primary goal in life was to stay as wasted as possible.

    BIG PHARMA also has a problem when they can't profit from selling you something that you can easily grow yourself to ease stress or control nausea.

    The worst part of all is how prohibition of Marijuana has fueled organized crime. The cost to buy Marijuana and the profits to be made are the worst evils. It's not the plant, but the profits and the people making those profits
    that need to be controlled.

    In my opinion, there should be no law prohibiting cultivation for limited and responsible personal use.

    The downside to Marijuana, is that it either motivates you or completely demotivates you, depending on the person and circumstances.

    Occasional recreational use won't do any harm on it's own, but regular use
    can definitely make you lose focus of the important things in your life.

    There should also be the same restrictions on age and use while driving
    or in the workplace where safety is an issue.

    It's a shame that the govenment continues to ignore the benefits of Marijuana legalization while continuing a well funded spin to support prohibition.

    It's all about money.
  13. mpw Guest

    Jun 18, 2004
    I've no problem with the legalization of marijuana, so long as its controlled in similar ways to booze and fags.

    I'm not a user myself but I do have one story. I lived briefly near Encinitas, CA. with some friends who were renting a house. In the garden a couple of the guys had pots of weed growing and each Tuesday these had to be carefully placed in the garage before everyone went out 'cause the landlord had contract gardeners looking after his properties and it was assumed these Mexicans would report the pots of pot to the landlord and or police.

    One Tuesday the guys forgot to shift the weed from the garden and spent the whole day worried what was going to happen and whether they would get busted as soon as they got home that night.

    They needn't have worried though, the mexicans had seen and recognised the marijuana and were obviously unhappy that the guys were growing the drugs the way they were, so unhappy they left a list of instructions on the proper care for the plants such as watering, pruning etc.

    Once they had the contract gardeners looking after their crop their yeild and quality improved, so the case for there being no profit in legal production isn't necessarily true. If a professional/commercial product is superior to homebrewed than people will pay for it and income from taxing that commerce I'm sure would be welcomed by government.
  14. SpookTheHamster macrumors 65816


    Nov 7, 2004
    I'm not against people smoking it, but you're a fool if you think weed is safe.

    They may be no cases of people dying from marijuana overdose, but many people have died or become permanently damaged from reactions to it. A friend of our family smoked it ONCE over five years ago, and the reaction was so bad that he couldn't leave the inside of his house for several years, and still can't go past the front gate. This is a rare case, but would any corporation want to take the risk of the potential lawsuit if it was legalised and organised?

    There's a lot of disinformation about marijuana from both sides, the againsts will say it's a stepping stone onto a life of hard drugs (which it is, but only to weak-minded people who would have become alcoholics anyway) and the fors say it's completely safe and not addictive, if it's so unaddictive why do all the people I know that smoke it get cranky when they go without?
  15. Dont Hurt Me macrumors 603

    Dont Hurt Me

    Dec 21, 2002
    Yahooville S.C.
    Take a big business mix in a paid for govt then beauracracy & then constant politics and its a sure fire way to have everything screwed up. Our AntiMarijuana laws and enforcement is as ass backwards as.........Border Control & Immigration policy..........Energy Policy(we have none)...............Iraq.............Social Security............Foreign Policy...............Nasa....................Pharmaceutical buy out................Oil buy out:confused: ........................ Lets Face it almost everything Govt touches is twisted,abused,cost us taxpayers much more then it should and is allways very wasteful and then they want to do everything in secret because its so SNAFU. Our Federal Govt is a mess,a beauracratic mess. The states and governors should be screaming not only on this but so many things. Federal Govt needs a total overhaul, vote out the ruling party.
  16. baby duck monge macrumors 68000

    baby duck monge

    Feb 16, 2003
    Memphis, TN
    Because it's psychologically addictive, not physically addictive. Besides, how do you feel when you can't be at a computer - especially your own - for a while? (I figured that could potentially work seeing where we are and everything)
  17. Abstract macrumors Penryn


    Dec 27, 2002
    Location Location Location
    Lets pretend I had my own country. Between alcohol, cigarettes, and marijuana, I'd legalize marijuana and make the other 2 illegal. The air in my country would be completely filled with pollution, but one that smells a lot better and makes us happy. :D There would also be a crown corporation called Abstract's Kebab house at each street corner in case we all get the munchies.
  18. pedrov macrumors newbie

    Apr 7, 2006
    you speak of people dying from reactions to it.

    i know of a girl who kissed her boyfriend. she died i thnk six hours later. he had eat peanuts, and she gets reactions from peanuts that killed her. she cant even have a tiny bit of peanuts, or peanut butter. all this because boyfriend had some peanuts before he kiss her.

    this is more commen than you think. that way you say it, we should make peanuts illegal, because people have bad reactions to them.

    i had bad reaction when i went to church one. should we make religion illegal?

    american "president" bushiebush give my stomach unhealthy reaction when i read things he say. can we assume bush is bad and should be illegal too?

    if marijuana was legal, you friend who have reactions to it,he might have know he was allergic. then he wouldn't smoke. but since is illegal, well, he never know.
  19. Stampyhead macrumors 68020


    Sep 3, 2004
    London, UK
    I read a follow up article to that story. After they did an autopsy it turned out it wasn't the peanuts that killed her, but a heart condition that she didn't know about. Not trying to disprove your point (although I, too, am against legalizing marijuana), just thought you might want to know...
  20. iBlue macrumors Core


    Mar 17, 2005
    London, England
    because the harmfulness factor means nothing towards legality. it's ridiculous but a sad reality in a greedy society.
  21. MinorBidoh macrumors 6502


    Oct 6, 2005
  22. killuminati macrumors 68020


    Dec 6, 2004
    I'm not sure how accurate this is but I was told this is one of the reasons marijuana isn't legal here.

    Apparently it's because there is a different amount of THC (the active chemical in marijuana) in all pot and the government has no way to regulate it.

    Don't start yelling at me saying that doesn't make any sense because that's just what I'v heard so I thought I'd share.
  23. ITASOR macrumors 601


    Mar 20, 2005
    Well I'm not up on my drug knowledge, but isn't one reason it's not legalized as compared to cigarettes because cigarettes don't really make you "high" where as marijuana does?
  24. iBlue macrumors Core


    Mar 17, 2005
    London, England
    makes sinse to me. ;) :D they'd have to be able to control us in every possible way. :rolleyes: (land of the free my ass)

    i'd say the ultimate reason is simply the inability to control the profits made from marijuana. it's fairly easy to grow (they don't call it weed for nothing) and if they can't get their greedy little paws all over it (you know, to pay for useless wars), then it just isn't "the american way". if they can't see dollar bills all over it, then it won't fly here.
  25. g30ffr3y macrumors 6502a


    Jul 18, 2002
    buffalo ny

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