Marijuana compared to other drugs...

[MacNut]

Well I'm not up on my drug knowledge, but isn't one reason it's not legalized as compared to cigarettes because cigarettes don't really make you "high" where as marijuana does?

But isn't the addiction to cigarettes stronger because of the "nicotine" then the "high" factor of pot. And nicotine is an added drug if Im not mistaken.

 

[SC68Cal]

And nicotine is an added drug if Im not mistaken.

Nicotine is a chemical found inside the tobacco plant, if I am not mistaken. They could add more to the natural concentration, but it's not like there wasn't any to begin with

 

[pseudobrit]

Well I'm not up on my drug knowledge, but isn't one reason it's not legalized as compared to cigarettes because cigarettes don't really make you "high" where as marijuana does?

Cigarettes increase dopamine levels in the brain almost as much as cocaine.

 

[Jay42]

Of course if they were to legalize it, a substantial amount of drug trafficking would disappear.

Talk about America saving money...

 

[Dont Hurt Me]

For the govt to say its has no medical value is pure political lies. If i was a cancer patient i would light up. Anyone who says it doesnt have any anti nausea properties is a liar. Thats the fact. The govt has been fibbing but whats new..............same old lies. Truth from our current govt is near impossible as far as i can tell, weed, enviroment, energy,immigration.....bunch of G.D lies just look at Iraq. All fiction spun up for you the public to digest as gospel.

 

[savar]

They may be no cases of people dying from marijuana overdose, but many people have died or become permanently damaged from reactions to it. A friend of our family smoked it ONCE over five years ago, and the reaction was so bad that he couldn't leave the inside of his house for several years, and still can't go past the front gate. This is a rare case, but would any corporation want to take the risk of the potential lawsuit if it was legalised and organised?

Rare? More like freakishly unlikely. There's got to be more to that story. Did he have an allergy to it or what? Some people are deathly allergic of peanuts but I wouldn't say there's a lot of "misinformation" out there about peanuts.

One thing a lot of people have overlooked is that it is a very profitable industry -- it just happens to profit dark-skinned people who live far away from us.

Also, we live in a country where the vast majority of people think its okay to legislate what other people do with their lives. Ironically the total opposite of what political conservatism actually means.

 

[0098386]

can i get some of that ... because there is no
weed out there that would mess somebody like that...
c'mon... this is the kind of ignorant anti-cannabis B.S.
that keeps the stuff illegal...

i say if alcohol and cigarettes are legal they can legalize the
weed... tax it... put an age restriction on it... zero tolerance
for driving... whatever they wanna do... but there is no reason
in the world it should be illegal outside of ignorance and these
kind of "reefer madness" madmen spreading B.S.

Funny, my brother took weed and is destroying his life and my parents. So much he's got my dad swearing infront of my little sister through sheer stress. So much Mr. Calm (me!) ran into his bedroom and punched him in his face. A la Locke

Yea. Cannabis is SOO safe. I mean, nobody steals to feed a weed habit. I didn't have my phone stolen BY MY OWN FRIKKIN BROTHER to feed his habit. There's a reason I had a lock installed on my bedroom door. To keep that ****** thief out my room.

I'm sorry I'm just sick to the back teeth of people saying "cannabis is safe" "theres nothing wrong with it" get a f*****g grip and live in a family where weed is destroying it. Let's see how ****ing "safe" weed is then? aye? Just because you and your mates are safe doesn't mean it's 100% safe. More?

-My brother stole £60 off a dying relative to buy weed. £20 off me, sold his £200 bike, £250 off my parents, £50 off a mates mum. He's been written out of all our relatives wills, needless to say.
-His mates rob old peoples cars in this old-folk estate. All potheads, they do nothing more. Just weed.
-I was attacked because some pothead thought I had weed on me.
-I've had my phone nicked and a lock placed on my door.
-Because of "munchies" we have to have locks on cupboards in the kitchen and under the stairs. We're buying a new fridge with a lock pre-installed. I have to ask for a key if I'm hungry.
-4 guys were killed because the driver was stoned around here recently.
-Another guy ate a block of cannabis and drove at 60mph into a brick wall. Dead. these 2 incidents took place within just 4 miles of my house.

Yea, sorry. it's 100% safe as f*****g houses.

/extreme rant.

Ps. I know that cannabis is one of the safest chemicals/plants whatever there is. I think I know that it's impossible to overdose on. But people are all very different. Different reactions etc.

 

[adk]

Pot isn't legal because there's no way to determine how much THC you have in your body at any one time. If there was some sort of "Pot Breathalyzer" the case for legalization would be much stronger. I don't know what some of these guys are talking about, but smoking weed in large quantities definitely impairs my ability to drive. If there was any way to attach a numerical value to how high somebody is it would be much easier to regulate.

 

[iJon]

Funny, my brother took weed and is destroying his life and my parents. So much he's got my dad swearing infront of my little sister through sheer stress. So much Mr. Calm (me!) ran into his bedroom and punched him in his face. A la Locke

Yea. Cannabis is SOO safe. I mean, nobody steals to feed a weed habit. I didn't have my phone stolen BY MY OWN FRIKKIN BROTHER to feed his habit. There's a reason I had a lock installed on my bedroom door. To keep that ****** thief out my room.

I'm sorry I'm just sick to the back teeth of people saying "cannabis is safe" "theres nothing wrong with it" get a f*****g grip and live in a family where weed is destroying it. Let's see how ****ing "safe" weed is then? aye? Just because you and your mates are safe doesn't mean it's 100% safe. More?

-My brother stole £60 off a dying relative to buy weed. £20 off me, sold his £200 bike, £250 off my parents, £50 off a mates mum. He's been written out of all our relatives wills, needless to say.
-His mates rob old peoples cars in this old-folk estate. All potheads, they do nothing more. Just weed.
-I was attacked because some pothead thought I had weed on me.
-I've had my phone nicked and a lock placed on my door.
-Because of "munchies" we have to have locks on cupboards in the kitchen and under the stairs. We're buying a new fridge with a lock pre-installed. I have to ask for a key if I'm hungry.
-4 guys were killed because the driver was stoned around here recently.
-Another guy ate a block of cannabis and drove at 60mph into a brick wall. Dead. these 2 incidents took place within just 4 miles of my house.

Yea, sorry. it's 100% safe as f*****g houses.

/extreme rant.

Ps. I know that cannabis is one of the safest chemicals/plants whatever there is. I think I know that it's impossible to overdose on. But people are all very different. Different reactions etc.

Congratulations, you my friend would be a prime candidate to benefit from legalization. Here in the states I would say the average price for good pot would be $50 a 1/8. That's quite an expensive habit if you smoke quite a bit. Make it legal and you can suddenly go down to your local 7/11 and buy a pack of Camel joints for the same price as cigarettes.

Another point, your brother has a serious problem and your parents should probably address it. I can assure you, everyone one of my friends who smoke are just as ordinary as you and me. They go to school, they go to work, their families aren't in a wreck because of this activity.

I have three good friends who I would consider the smartest people I know, each indulge in smoking. They are 4.0 (few of them being very close) students at major universities, one of them being Harvard. Although I don't know your brother as well as you do I would suspect that there are more problems under the surface than just weed.

jon

 

[Leareth]

Just because something is natural does not make it safe.
I live Vancouver BC Canada, Pot is more common here than Cigarrettes...(*ok not quite but nearly true*)
Considering a pack of cigarrettes is $8 plus tax and a joint is about $2-5, what do you think most people will get?

I really dont care if people want the drink/smoke/do drugs but I dont want to be breathing in their fumes or being affected by their behavior. My neighbours smoke so much pot , that my hair tests me positive for marijuana use even though I dont touch the stuff. If this were the states where they do have employee urine/blood/hair test I could be fired for drug use!!!

 

[DMPDX]

There's a lot of history involved with plenty of collusion between business and government. If alcohol and tobacco had only been discovered yesterday, they'd probably be illegal in most countries as well.

Wow, one of the best classic movies, period. Its public domain now too.

 

[pseudobrit]

Funny, my brother took weed and is destroying his life and my parents. So much he's got my dad swearing infront of my little sister through sheer stress. So much Mr. Calm (me!) ran into his bedroom and punched him in his face. A la Locke

Yea. Cannabis is SOO safe. I mean, nobody steals to feed a weed habit. I didn't have my phone stolen BY MY OWN FRIKKIN BROTHER to feed his habit. There's a reason I had a lock installed on my bedroom door. To keep that ****** thief out my room.
...[snip]

You want a hard opinion? Your brother is an ******* and you're blaming weed.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc.

I'll bet money (theoretical money-- it is an untestable theory) if your brother never found pot he'd be a crackhead or a junkie or a drunk. Furthermore, he'd still be a deadbeat thief.

Pot doesn't turn people into raving *******s. But raving *******s who smoke pot might give you that idea.

 

[0098386]

You want a hard opinion? Your brother is an ******* and you're blaming weed.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc.

I'll bet money (theoretical money-- it is an untestable theory) if your brother never found pot he'd be a crackhead or a junkie or a drunk. Furthermore, he'd still be a deadbeat thief.

Pot doesn't turn people into raving *******s. But raving *******s who smoke pot might give you that idea.

How can you judge when you only know what I've told you?

Before weed, he was a very smart kid. He was a whizz at Maths, the first person in the family to get full A's. He used to be a genius at solving puzzles, I had to ask him for help on old Amiga puzzle games and jig-saws? He could run through epic A2 jigsaws at an unrealistically young age. He got into skateboarding, could have turned pro. This guy had so much going for him. Then he started smoking cigarettes, always knew it would be a matter of time. Peer pressure. He would always give in to peer pressure. Then I found out about cannabis. Didn't tell my mum at first, just told him to stop. Surprise surprise, it got worse. Though my parents had their suspicions. Mood swings, little bits of money going missing. They confronted him, lied, of course. That's what drug users are good at doing. Then we found weed in his bedroom. He started stealing more to feed his habit, then he moved onto more dangerous stuff. E, Speed, think even a bit of coke. I dunno why but he stopped all that suddenly. Course by this time it was too late to go back to school. So now he works in a garage for minimum wage. So much potential. He could have really been something good. He was good until drugs and peer pressure mixed together.

Anyways. I haven't spoke to him in 4 years. I don't care about him anymore. My parents are on the verge of kicking him out, they're tried to help. Counselling, doctors, even a stint in a boot camp. He just doesn't want help. He just wants his weed.

As for legalisation. No. Why? Cigarettes are legal yet effing ****** smoke in queues, on buses, in places you're not supposed too. Try telling a gang of cigarette smoking people to "stop, because I'm asthmatic", good luck to you! Try telling that to a gang of skin heads smoking drugs. Yea.

If they do legalise cannabis, they had better enforce a huge public smoking ban simultaneously.

 

[emotion]

It's likely your brother would be a nob without weed.

edit: and to qualify that, i'd say that his 'change' was brought about around the same time as puberty and becoming an adult. it just happens he's latched onto weed which the vast majority of users have no problem using without becoming thieves and dropouts.

I wouldn't worry about that smoking ban btw. it'll be in place this time next year.

 

[freeny]

I'd rather like to remember the party I was at, than get trashed and wake up, forgetting what happened.

Pot doesnt work that way. You dont have Marijuana blackouts. Its called falling asleep.

I was a habitual pot smoker for almost 15 years. People either choose to sit in a courner for hours or choose to be productive (paint, draw etc...) While in college I had too much homework to choose to sit in a courner. I coulnd'nt sit still while stoned. Of course all that came to a very abrupt ending the day my wife went into labour It was time to grow up.

I was also a cigarette smoker until recently. Believe me when I tell you, the cigarettes were MUCH, MUCH harder to quit. Between the two, the cigarettes are definately the "real" drug.

 

[jelloshotsrule]

Curious, am I the only one living (20yrs) that has never done any drugs at all? never been too interested in any of it, I don't know why it isn't legal tho, many people do it.

nope. 24 years. don't see the point.

 

[obeygiant]

Think about it. There's no way to make money from Marijuana. It's called weed because it grows like a weed, so anyone could just grow their own rather than pay for it. If there were some easy way to capitalize off of it then it would definitely be legal today.

Pot isnt called the "cash crop" for nothing you know. And it does not grow like a "weed", the plants take a lot of care and nurturing to produce anything good. You cant just plant a seed and BOOM, weed. Futhermore, just because i like to smoke it doesnt mean i want to spend all my time growing it. If the government were let companies manufacture marijuana the profit will far exceed the tobacco industry.

rofl @ "There's no way to make money from Marijuana."

 

[~Shard~]

nope. 24 years. don't see the point.

Same here - never had a desire or a need to do drugs. I like keeping my body and mind as healthy and toxin-free as possible.

 

[skrew]

where to start....

Such a lack of solid information about marijuana in this thread. A few facts just to get started:

I am a frequent marijuana smoker, I have also taken most popular drugs around these days and quite a few more less well known ones. However I don't think I have done any other drug more than 5 times except for maybe MDMA. I tend to stick to natural drugs and psychedellics just through preference.

If anyone here knows anything about drugs, one of the very very first things about ALL drugs is set and setting. Set being your mindset, who you are, how you feel, who you are with, how comfortable you feel around those people... etc. Setting being, where you are and the general vibes of the place how organized and prepared the setting is, loud or soft... etc. I'm missing a few things but thats the gist of it.

The next fact is that everyone reacts differently to drugs, I've had some pretty horrible reactions to a few drugs, to name one would be DXM... and maybe 5-MEO-AMT.

I've smoked alot of marijuana with alot of different people, in lots of different countries. to name a fun encounter; was smoking joints with black dutch gangsters in a basement in rotterdam, guns on the table and all. Or burning down the sri lankan coast in a pimped out tuk-tuk having a scoob with some rasta's while pumping bob marley.

All drugs are bad for you, pharmaceutical or not. Except for maybe philosophers stone in the right circumstances.

There is a difference between drug use and drug abuse, ive abused marijuana at times where life just plain sucked. And I love to have a joint before a big night, or on a friday night after a long week.

enough facts, personally i find marijuana to be a great recreational drug. I've seen some pretty f***** up **** when stoned/high, like close friends breaking down into tears, crashing cars, brutal beatings and going into a semi-psycosis. But ive met some of the coolest, happiest, nicest greatest people in the world, and ive had some pretty surreal times with all of them.

Marijuana culture, all over the world is amazing, full of brilliant, intelligent and down right funny people. I've noticed, even with gangsters and hardcores and whatever other label you want give them, that marijuana brings people together, it makes you realize things about life that you are too busy to think about in the intensity of soberness. Marijuana brings people together, makes everyone feel a little more human(in the sense that as a race we are all brother and sister). It's only when people start to preach hate and try to use scare tactics, and schedule things that there is a problem.

I don't think I can say that for any other drug on the planet, people on this thread have been saying marijuana is anti-social and induces tunnel vision. I'm sorry, thats ********, marijuana doesnt do that, people do that to themselves same goes with all other side effects of marijuana, I've had them all, ive secluded myself at parties, sat in corners staring at walls, thrown up, gotten paranoid as all hell for weeks on end, seen tracers, had an entire lack of motivation, even felt physically stupider and clumsier. But when any of this happens, its all circumstancial and based upon how I am feeling and whats happening around me, how my conscience feels at the time, etc.

As i said before, all drugs are bad, and marijuana abuse can really f*** with your head. I, personally have never stolen money or pawnt my stuff for drugs, but i know people who have, and I have seen that path and its really, really messy.

Anyway, ill cut this short, I think what im trying to say is that marijuana should probably be legalized and that I think that drugs and poisons such as alcohol should be used responsibily and such...

peace, ~skrew

 

[kiwi-in-uk]

ah ...
Cool, man.

 

[Kingsly]

You want a hard opinion? Your brother is an ******* and you're blaming weed.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc.

I'll bet money (theoretical money-- it is an untestable theory) if your brother never found pot he'd be a crackhead or a junkie or a drunk. Furthermore, he'd still be a deadbeat thief.

Pot doesn't turn people into raving *******s. But raving *******s who smoke pot might give you that idea.

...and Evian spelled backwards is?

 

[obeygiant]

And Evian spelled backwards is...

naivE...

 

[Moshiiii]

Drugs are for idiots.

 

[emotion]

Drugs are for idiots.

Drugs are bad mmmkay.

hahaha...

Live and let live. You don't like em don't do em. Easy.

Some common sense above too...nice one Skrew

 

[MarkCollette]

Actually, alcohol has some very beneficial affects that cannabis doesn't have. Clean water is a relatively new thing, before that we pretty much had to drink alcohols to be safe. Also, drinks like wine and beer have calories and vitamins in them, which water does not, so for agrarian or pastoral people, it's a portable energy source. Alternatives like juice would not keep long, so weren't practical before refridgeration.

So, it's only modern inventions that have moved alcohol consumption from a necessity to a leisure activity. Cannabis can not claim equivalent utility.