Mark Zuckerberg Plans to Make Facebook Messenger, Instagram Messaging, and WhatsApp Interoperable

[Elian_Gonzalez]

At this stage, I've become non-nonplussed that people still use Facebook and it's covered for anything beyond its incredible fraudulence: https://www.revealnews.org/article/...-playing-kids-and-their-parents-out-of-money/

 

[norrismantooth]

I wish:
- USG would force FB to divest these apps.
- Apple would make iMessage universally available.

Part of the benefit of iMessage is its end to end encryption. For the same sake, I try best not to use SMS when messaging sensitive information, as it's wide open. If Apple makes iMessage universally available, you can bet they will no longer keep it encrypted. Cops/FBI/law cannot read iMessage under normal circumstances. Nothing to hide here, just don't want my stuff everywhere.

 

[Cosmosent]

RE:

... and that everyone switches to a more, let’s say, ethical company?

I'm NOT sure there is one, at least NOT a public company that would qualify.

AAPL has more than $100B of Debt, ALL accumulated under Cook ... yet, the AAPL Board, in their infinite wisdom, decides to approve a $100B share buy-back six months or so ago, with the repatriated funds.

To me, that is clearly a Ponzi Scheme !

I'm just hoping the U.S. Govt won't have to Bail Out AAPL (& others) when the Economy goes South !

It should be Illegal for ANY public company to buy back ANY shares on the Open Market if they have ANY Debt !

 

[bladerunner2000]

One step closer for Signal to become the global standard. Keep it up Zuckerberg and soon enough NOBODY will be using Whatsapp.

 

[sunapple]

RE:

I'm NOT sure there is one, at least NOT a public company that would qualify.

AAPL has more than $100B of Debt, ALL accumulated under Cook ... yet, the AAPL Board, in their infinite wisdom, decides to approve a $100B share buy-back six months or so ago, with the repatriated funds.

To me, that is clearly a Ponzi Scheme !

I'm just hoping the U.S. Govt won't have to Bail Out AAPL (& others) when the Economy goes South !

It should be Illegal for ANY public company to buy back ANY shares on the Open Market if they have ANY Debt !

It took me too long to find a reaction gif that could convey the specific way that I’m confused right now.

 

[Manatlt]

If your friend has your number, and uploaded their contacts on Facebook, Facebook has your number already. Then if you use WhatsApp, because you have to use your number, they’ll look in the FB database and link your number together.

You wouldn’t know, but that’s how they roll.

So it doesn’t matter all of this. The only way FB to not get your number if you make sure you and NONE of your contacts use any of FB’s services.
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One step closer for Signal to become the global standard. Keep it up Zuckerberg and soon enough NOBODY will be using Whatsapp.

You wish. People are stubborn and hate change.

WhatsApp will still be WhatsApp, but now share the same infrastructure as Messenger and Instagram. From the naked eye, nothing has really changed. It’s just now Messenger contacts can join WhatsApp groups etc.

 

[drumcat]

In one of my research groups, for example, everyone uses an iPhone. However, the natural gravitation is towards WhatsApp. Yesterday I tried to send a 48mins voice memo, which I recorded on my XS Max, to my colleagues using iMessage. The send button wouldn’t even move. There was no way to start the message from iMessage and then choose a voice memo. I tried WhatsApp and voila!

It's 2019, and iOS mail still can't do attachments into drafts. It's just laughable.

**SIGNAL** is the app you want to get behind...

 

[simonmet]

It's 2019, and iOS mail still can't do attachments into drafts. It's just laughable.

**SIGNAL** is the app you want to get behind...

I’ve used Wickr which is pretty good. The only differences I can see is Signal doesn’t require registration, or it’s automatic based on phone number but Wickr possibly has better message deletion control.

How does it synchronise accounts across devices if it’s based on phone number?

 

[fairuz]

Sounds good maybe? The Whatsapp app is way less bloated than FB Messenger, but I can't use it cause nobody uses it. So... now I'll be able to.

Also, the one thing that killed Whatsapp for me was not being able to use it on my computer without my phone having it open. Cmon, I'm not pulling out my phone every time I want to message someone.
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Why not use Telegram?

It sucks in every way possible, including security. Yes, I've used it, only cause I was forced to for some purpose. If you want to use an "alternative" messaging app, Signal is likely the best.
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I love telegram. It’s so much better than WhatsApp. Plus when you start a “secret message” it truly is end-to-end encrypted. I’d never trust that statement by Facebook.

At least, according to telegram FAQ it certainly seems end-to-end encrypted...

https://telegram.org/faq/faq#q-how-are-secret-chats-different

No, Telegram messages might as well not be encrypted because you can't trust their homemade algo that's been shown to be insecure. And btw, their API puts the secrets in the URL for some reason, which is a no-no and indicates a lack of care on their part.

IDK what you're referring to about Whatsapp not being truly e2e encrypted. As far as we know, it is. They even have a QR code scanning feature to verify public keys in person, which is crucial (it might as well not be e2e if you can't easily check that).
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Part of the benefit of iMessage is its end to end encryption. For the same sake, I try best not to use SMS when messaging sensitive information, as it's wide open. If Apple makes iMessage universally available, you can bet they will no longer keep it encrypted. Cops/FBI/law cannot read iMessage under normal circumstances. Nothing to hide here, just don't want my stuff everywhere.

This is true. iMessage only works with e2e encryption because Apple controls their devices so tightly, and it's rather complicated even with that given. They somewhat fudged something up because iMessage has had known glitches like wrong ordering. Whatsapp compromises by making one phone the only endpoint for messages, whereas iMessage must work with multiple devices.
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And this is a good reason why iMessage will fail.... come on Apple, release iMessage for Android users and sort out proper grouping so every new conversation doesn't create a new group!

Well I have two group chats with the same people deliberately. One is muted, and the other is important stuff only. When I make a new message and start listing people, it properly shows the existing group chats I have, so I don't see the issue. There did used to be a bug where one group chat would randomly split into two for some members of the group.

 

[TTTedP]

Right? I haven’t used Facebook since 2012.

oh but they've been using you!

 

[darkcompass]

Timeline:
12 months - unified transport between the three, codebase unified - data kept on same servers and end-to-end encryption lowered to lowest denominator between them.
18 months - Instagram and Whatsapp development stops. Suggestions made for people to move to FB Messenger. Instagram users get a import into Facebook for all their Photos.
24 months - Instagram and Whatsapp closed.

 

[manu chao]

I have to use WhatsApp to communicate with some family members, but I didn’t give it access to my Contacts. So not every WhatsApp user.

I am doing the same. But this means I can only message people that have sent me a message first (to which I then can reply). And I have to 'find' the correct message/thread via their profile picture or their phone number when I want to message them. And with all this, FB still knows that I'm in these peoples' address book, but at least I am a dead end for FB. Which still makes a difference in that the number of people I have threads with on WhatsApp is more than an order of magnitude smaller than the number of people I have in my address book.

 

[H3LL5P4WN]

I mean BBM on actual Blackberry phones before iPhones became ubiquitous. Before iPhones and Android, everyone I knew had a Blackberry with the exception of older folks like my mom. I think she had a Nokia. Though you've never known anyone to use it, that's what WhatsApp was invented to replace. We tested A LOT of apps on other forums and I think here as well. lol.

I'm not sure how old you are but there was a lot of "from my cold dead hands" talk about giving up their Blackberry phones. And really, it was, at that time, the only phone that allowed you to use a data messaging service with international recipients or get around text message limits. It's really the foundation for all these apps now.

Oh I figured but was also referencing the app separate from the phone, as well. I literally only knew two people with a blackberry. One just wanted a Storm because it was "the iPhone killer" and the other was just an idiot. I really don't have any international contacts outside of a few Canadians and that just America, but clean.

It might do you some good to talk to people outside your bubble

Nah. I rarely talk to green bubble filth.
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Timeline:
12 months - unified transport between the three, codebase unified - data kept on same servers and end-to-end encryption lowered to lowest denominator between them.
18 months - Instagram and Whatsapp development stops. Suggestions made for people to move to FB Messenger. Instagram users get a import into Facebook for all their Photos.
24 months - Instagram and Whatsapp closed.

As disgusting as that is... you're probably right. Crap, what was that iOS-only photo sharing network? It's icon was green-ish, that's all I can remember.