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Martha Stewart Apprentice
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MontyZ said:
It is becoming very difficult to get behind someone and really want them to win. From a viewers perspective, it is more a matter of finding the inner strength to tolerate varying degrees of behavior -- prospective employers would likely find many of the antics unacceptable in their workplace environment.
During Martha's last conference room session, she criticized the project manager for her failure to control Jim's over-the-top behavior by not directly confronting him about his comments that a shopper brought to the store manager's attention, or by reassigning him to a different task that would have utilized his "skills" more efficiently without requiring any public interaction.
She specifically mentioned to the dismissed PM that "as a prosecutor, you should have been able to handle him." I disagreed with her decision not to dump Jim at that most opportune time, but Martha must have strong opinions of prosecutors from her recent trial. Maybe getting rid of a prosecutor was more important to her than stringing along a jerk of a contestant for another week or so.
Deepdale said:
martha definitely has her jerk side to her, so any jerk antics by jim probably does not phase martha that much...she has seen it all
the idea of that episode was to sell the salad dressing and jim sold 20% percent of the bottles by himself...he tried every angle and one of those angles just happened to piss off the store manager...so jim tried a different, yet just as pushy set of new approaches and continued to sell the product
in the backroom of martha's advertising department, far from public view, is a good place to place someone innovative and creative (and often obnoxious) personality like jim
it takes all types of people to run a company (look at apple inc) and i am sure if jim wins, i don't see him co-hosting any martha tv episodes
Horrible. Martha Stewart has the charisma of a nun on a Sunday afternoon. Her wooden delivery doesn't help all that much in the "boardroom" either. Add that to the fact that her DAUGHTER who looks like she barely got her undergrad degree is supposedly one of Martha's top two closest advisors of a multi million dollar corporation? What ticks me off above all that though is how they try to tweak some aspects of the show to differentiate it from Trump's version such as the letter written in the end.
Aside from that, it's quite fun to spot all the Apple plugs amongst a sea of others. Is it just me, or does it appear as though they hire one or two screwballs every season to be one of the "contestants" who never get fired until midway.
Aside from that, it's quite fun to spot all the Apple plugs amongst a sea of others. Is it just me, or does it appear as though they hire one or two screwballs every season to be one of the "contestants" who never get fired until midway.
"Dear David,
Thank you for your effort and good natured smile. I'm afraid that for this position you really need some more business experience.
...
P.S. - Leave the 17" PowerBook.
Martha Stewart"
Thank you for your effort and good natured smile. I'm afraid that for this position you really need some more business experience.
...
P.S. - Leave the 17" PowerBook.
Martha Stewart"
MontyZ said:
A good bloodletting makes for an enjoyable ending. Here is a preview of the upcoming episodes from TV Guide:
Aunt Martha: Ten candidates remain. Their task: promote a stain remover, using mobile billboards.
The Emperor, Tiberius Trump: The candidates must teach. The losers, of course, get boardroom detention, and Candidate 7 must wear the dunce cap.
The hyperventilating begins Wednesday night.
howie got sent home and i am not sure he deserved it...jim was ok and not his usual disruptive self
i think bethany should have gone home since her team, while good, barely lost and there was no one weak member
in those cases when a person can't be singled out from the team for the loss, the project manager (in this case bethany) should have been sent home
i think bethany should have gone home since her team, while good, barely lost and there was no one weak member
in those cases when a person can't be singled out from the team for the loss, the project manager (in this case bethany) should have been sent home
jefhatfield said:
A decent case could be made for Bethenny's dismissal, but Howie sealed his own fate with his reluctance to delve into the task, learn necessary lines and name of the product and complete some very basic rehearsals when asked to do so by the PM. It seems like such a lack of spirit does not play well in Martha's high energy, give-it-all-you've-got type of corporate culture.
Meanwhile, Jim was a bit restrained by his standards but he still is capable of becoming uncontrollable at a moment's notice. He reminds me of someone that only a mother could love. On a good day he is a pest, on a bad day he is the most annoying SOB you would care to be around.
it's going to come down to jim and ryan in the end...the remaining players have all shown they have very little tolerance to stress and deadlines...while all the candidates are smart in their own way, not all have the ability to improvise like the show asks them to
some of the contestants who have been kicked off are incredibly accomplished, like attorney jennifer who handles 20-30 cases a day as a prosecutor, but her great skills as a lawyer didn't transfer to martha's home and cooking business...the other practicing lawyer (the blond who is still on the show, i can't think of her name) is probably the next to get kicked off since she is not well liked by the others and can't think on her feet with the diverse group of people on the show...while being liked is probably not important with martha (she is the ultimate hated persona), one still has to think fast and be creative
so to my predictions:
jim is definitely the creative person who also can single handedly save his team even though he is a grandstander and not a team player
ryan has a cool head and can work well under pressure and is the perfect corporate robot who will work and not make waves
i think bethenny (now i got the spelling right, he he) will possibly come in third place but her leadership skills (backseat driving, as it's called on the martha apprentice website) will get her fired if she ever leads a team again...like martha said, she has a good spirit and as a team player, not a leader, she can be valueable to the martha stewart organization
some of the contestants who have been kicked off are incredibly accomplished, like attorney jennifer who handles 20-30 cases a day as a prosecutor, but her great skills as a lawyer didn't transfer to martha's home and cooking business...the other practicing lawyer (the blond who is still on the show, i can't think of her name) is probably the next to get kicked off since she is not well liked by the others and can't think on her feet with the diverse group of people on the show...while being liked is probably not important with martha (she is the ultimate hated persona), one still has to think fast and be creative
so to my predictions:
jim is definitely the creative person who also can single handedly save his team even though he is a grandstander and not a team player
ryan has a cool head and can work well under pressure and is the perfect corporate robot who will work and not make waves
i think bethenny (now i got the spelling right, he he) will possibly come in third place but her leadership skills (backseat driving, as it's called on the martha apprentice website) will get her fired if she ever leads a team again...like martha said, she has a good spirit and as a team player, not a leader, she can be valueable to the martha stewart organization
final prediction
ryan will win
it will be fun to see how the season plays out and how ryan, the last non bitchy persona, plays out
i have not seen the first few episodes so i don't know if ryan can be incompetent or moody...but of the last few shows, he seems to have his act together for martha's show
ryan will win
it will be fun to see how the season plays out and how ryan, the last non bitchy persona, plays out
i have not seen the first few episodes so i don't know if ryan can be incompetent or moody...but of the last few shows, he seems to have his act together for martha's show
Deepdale said:
wow...this thread may end up in the political threads section
...btw, who do you want to win this thing, and who do you think will win the apprentice/martha stewart?
jefhatfield said:
I was somewhat late in terms of following the show and have not watched every episode, and there is not one particular candidate that I am behind 100 percent. Even though she is gone, I did come to like Marcela but she was too decent to survive in the cutthroat corporate world. She should have dealt much more firmly with Jim during the Wish-Bone salad dressing show.
As we can see, those still around are as flawed as the rest of us. I see Martha selecting a woman for the job, but maybe she will be turned off by the catfights she has been observing in the conference room, plus she receives extra feedback from Charles and Alexis.
Of the two men remaining, Ryan would be far easier to work with and manage than Jim, yet the men appear to be longshots. Should it prove to be Jim, the TV set may be dropped from my 2nd floor apartment window. The women left are more difficult to handicap ... I do not think Bethenny or Dawna will win.
Amanda certainly has a chance, especially if Martha finds her brand of aggressiveness appealing (I don't). However, a blunt style and fondness for wanting to be a camera hog may also work against her once a player's overall strengths and weaknessess are evaluated.
My guess: There is something about Leslie that makes me feel she has a decent shot to walk away with the prize, and her Hispanic heritage may prove to be quite an asset.
Reminder: Martha Stewart's live finale is set for 12-21 from 8-10 p.m.
Deepdale said:
now amanda and her aggressiveness is gone and i am glad...her inability to be a team player finally showed to martha
i think the next to go will be jim, bethenny, or marcela
ryan is doing well even though he was on the losing team, leslie is low on the radar but she has to step up next week, and dawna does not play well with teams, though she is not mean or calculating
jim has improved and may outlast marcela who is often clueless in business tasks and bethenny who complains too much without taking action
i still think ryan can win and it will be between him and leslie from what i think this week...if dawna gets more proactive she can last until the last episode and go against ryan
jefhatfield said:
As I looked at my prior post from 11-11, I had a Twilight Zone moment because I mentioned how I liked Marcela before she was eliminated. Well, she is still around at least for the time being.
Martha seems to be drawn to Marcela's fundamental decency and ability to appeal to the rapidly increasing Hispanic market. Marcela is someone who stands out against a tiger shark like the eliminated Amanda, but playing nice may prove to be her most challenging obstacle in the high-pressure world that Stewart travels in.
Your analysis is very good and based upon the promo at the end of the show, it looks as if Jim may have finally gone too far over the edge. If he exits next episode, then Ryan and Leslie have a good chance of being the last two standing.
Jim has definitely improved ... his Achilles heel revolves around his overactive mind evaluating the risk of doing something outlandish and then alienating those that he is trying to impress. When Jim's time for dismissal comes, I expect sharp comments to be directed at him from Charles Koppelman for some of his bizarre antics.
Yesterday's reward for the winning team was one of the better ones. Martha's home in Maine was beautiful and it must be very memorable traveling on a Gulfstream jet..The cruise around the lake was relaxing and they had a good chance to leave Alexis with some positive memories.
Deepdale said:
he he...maybe jim's recent improvements and new attitude gave him an opportune chance to really woo alexis during the boat trip and she really likes him now...he he...he could...cough cough...win
i did like the pep talk jim gave to marcela at the end of the show, and jim was not even on marcela's team...marcela was ready to resign at that moment but jim gave her the guts to fight it out in the boardroom...marcela was honest about it and amanda put on her bs lawyer talk and that really turned everybody off
according to the promos for next week though- it looks like jim gets all crazy again...
though they've fooled us like that before...
i'm still at a loss for a frontrunner...
though they've fooled us like that before...
i'm still at a loss for a frontrunner...
my case for marcela...as a longshot
with two stipulations
1) that marcela never leads a team again because marcela is not a team leader
2) that jim's improved attitude falls back into crazy antics again
marcela has a skill that martha can use...her cooking and knowledge of the hispanic market
ryan is strong and a good generalist who thinks well on his feet, but i am sure martha has tons of ryans in her organization
bethenny is too scattered either as a leader or team member
dawna is not high energy enough though her tactics in the last show saved her team while jim and bethenny were clueless
leslie can usually do better than marcela on any given episode and she too is hispanic, so actually, this post can be a case for leslie
it's obvious that martha stewart is an icon in white america, but if she made herself an icon in the hispanic market, she would rule the roost even more than she does now
personally, i could use leslie more since i think martha stewart is still a business first before it's a cooking organization...but if marcela could play well on camera, her youthful appearance may just be the ticket for martha to break into the hispanic market and get more youthful viewers at the same time
from the qvc episode, we have already seen that leslie plays very well on camera
with two stipulations
1) that marcela never leads a team again because marcela is not a team leader
2) that jim's improved attitude falls back into crazy antics again
marcela has a skill that martha can use...her cooking and knowledge of the hispanic market
ryan is strong and a good generalist who thinks well on his feet, but i am sure martha has tons of ryans in her organization
bethenny is too scattered either as a leader or team member
dawna is not high energy enough though her tactics in the last show saved her team while jim and bethenny were clueless
leslie can usually do better than marcela on any given episode and she too is hispanic, so actually, this post can be a case for leslie
it's obvious that martha stewart is an icon in white america, but if she made herself an icon in the hispanic market, she would rule the roost even more than she does now
personally, i could use leslie more since i think martha stewart is still a business first before it's a cooking organization...but if marcela could play well on camera, her youthful appearance may just be the ticket for martha to break into the hispanic market and get more youthful viewers at the same time
from the qvc episode, we have already seen that leslie plays very well on camera
maybe alexis will do her best to let jim win and work for martha...to give martha a big headache for a whole year
alexis does not have any warm feelings towards her mother and that probably explains why she banned her from her own wedding...alexis is probably daddy's girl
alexis does not have any warm feelings towards her mother and that probably explains why she banned her from her own wedding...alexis is probably daddy's girl