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~Shard~ said:
I thought it was bastardly of Randal not to get Rebecca hired as well when Trump asked him, but I didn't see it as an arrogance thing - he stood up and spoke his mind - "there should ohly be one Apprentice" - fair enough, it was his night, and he didn't want to share it. I respect that. I betcha Trump will hire her anyway... ;)

Yeah, I enjoyed it. :cool:

Rebecca was already offered a job by the powers-that-be at Yahoo. I do not know if she has accepted yet. I agreed with Randal's decision insofar as Rebecca was concerned. My fave line was when he responded to Trump's question as to why he should be hired by stating, "I own and operate businesses, while Rebecca just writes about them." Meow!!!
 
Deepdale said:
Rebecca was already offered a job by the powers-that-be at Yahoo. I do not know if she has accepted yet.

Ah, I didn't know this, cool...

Deepdale said:
I agreed with Randal's decision insofar as Rebecca was concerned. My fave line was when he responded to Trump's question as to why he should be hired by stating, "I own and operate businesses, while Rebecca just writes about them." Meow!!!

Yeah, that was a great one - I gotta give him credit, he called a spade a spade, and wasn't afraid to speak his mind!
 
~Shard~ said:
Yeah, that was a great one - I gotta give him credit, he called a spade a spade, and wasn't afraid to speak his mind!

There are stories appearing about the ending of the show that are falling back on the classic race card as an underlying theme. Specifically, the fact that in the first installment when the final showdown was between Bill Rancic and Kwame Jackson, no pressure was brought to bear upon the winner to share the title.

Kwame, who was also African-American and popular, classy and competent like Randal, lost out to Bill. Some are pointing out that Trump was equally praiseworthy of both finalists, but once he chose Bill he did not present him with a similar choice as to deciding the fate of his defeated runner-up.

While race rears its head in so many areas, I am more inclined to believe that Trump was essentially torn between the two choices in front of him and thought it would be a novel ending unaware of how it might be perceived as a personal slight to Randal, his family and supporters.

We cannot reset the clock now, but what DT should have done is let Randal share the glory alone and not have him listen to booing from a select portion of the disgruntled audience at Lincoln Center, but instead extend an offer to Rebecca Jarvis in a private setting after consulting with Randal in the days following the live show.

I still like how Randal handled that question and one thing that might be overlooked here is how Rebecca would have responded to Randal's simultaneous hiring as a co-apprentice had she been the declared winner. There is no guarantee that she would have been any more magnanimous towards him than he was towards her.
 
Deepdale said:
There are stories appearing about the ending of the show that are falling back on the classic race card as an underlying theme. Specifically, the fact that in the first installment when the final showdown was between Bill Rancic and Kwame Jackson, no pressure was brought to bear upon the winner to share the title.

Very interesting, I had not heard that. I could see where that could be a possibility though, of course, all open to speculation. ;)

Deepdale said:
While race rears its head in so many areas, I am more inclined to believe that Trump was essentially torn between the two choices in front of him and thought it would be a novel ending unaware of how it might be perceived as a personal slight to Randal, his family and supporters.

I agree. If I remember correctly, there was even a promo on TV for the Trump finale which eluded to "one more surprise". I don't recall "one more surprise" happening throughout the Finale, so I am guessing this is what it referred to - that perhaps Trump was betting that Randal would say yes, and there would be two Apprentices. Obviously, this did not come to be. ;)

Deepdale said:
We cannot reset the clock now, but what DT should have done is let Randal share the glory alone and not have him listen to booing from a select portion of the disgruntled audience at Lincoln Center, but instead extend an offer to Rebecca Jarvis in a private setting after consulting with Randal in the days following the live show.

I agree. Again, that was Randal's moment, and asking him to share in that particular way I think was asking a bit much.

Deepdale said:
I still like how Randal handled that question and one thing that might be overlooked here is how Rebecca would have responded to Randal's simultaneous hiring as a co-apprentice had she been the declared winner. There is no guarantee that she would have been any more magnanimous towards him than he was towards her.

Good point - I don't know if she would have been any more generous herself.
 
rebecca was great for a 23 year old...she had raised 750k for disadvantaged kids and previously had a good business, so she's not just a writer...and i am sure randal was just a college student at 23, and beyond since he went for 4 graduate degrees, including a phd

but we are not comparing rebecca with a 23 year old randal and he totally smoked her on every qualification the way he is now...it just would not have been fair to hire rebecca right then and there as an "equal" to randal

ten years down the line, rebecca could potentially have the same education and experience under her belt...but education is not necessarily what trump wants since bill is a college dropout who became a millionaire off cigars and trump's right hand woman was a waitress when trump met her and hired her

he wants to fill a position with a proper personality the way he sees it is needed and i am sure he has some super creative loudmouths like jim from martha's show, and quiet behind the scenes corporate lawyers and accountants
 
~Shard~ said:
I don't know if she would have been any more generous herself.

In yesterday's NY Post, Rebecca replied to questions about how she would have handled matters had she won.

From Ms. Jarvis: "I absolutely would have said yes. I don't see any reason to exclude somebody who worked so hard with me. And I would never see a reason to exclude valuable individuals from the organization, particularly in a leadership or management role. That's the job of a leader."

Still saying all the right things ... but the show is over. It is hard to know how a person would have reacted to the question about hiring the opponent in that live setting. I take her at her word, but still feel that she will be better off not having to kiss Trump's ass day and night.
 
jefhatfield said:
he wants to fill a position with a proper personality the way he sees it is needed and i am sure he has some super creative loudmouths like jim from martha's show, and quiet behind the scenes corporate lawyers and accountants

I strongly agree that education is not the sole factor that determines a person's worth as a potential employee. With respect to many of today's professional positions, a good education will prove to be an invaluable asset, but proper balance is also important for the health and vitality of any organization.

Rebecca Jarvis is talented, dedicated and reacts well to pressurized situations. She should have a bright future if she accepts Yahoo's offer or any of the others that will likely come her way.
 
Deepdale said:
In yesterday's NY Post, Rebecca replied to questions about how she would have handled matters had she won.

From Ms. Jarvis: "I absolutely would have said yes. I don't see any reason to exclude somebody who worked so hard with me. And I would never see a reason to exclude valuable individuals from the organization, particularly in a leadership or management role. That's the job of a leader."

Sounds like an after-the-fact, manufactured PC statement to me... ;) There's one thing about preparing speeches, being polished, etc., but there was always something about Rebecca that came off as a bit, well, not insincere or phony, but it's as if both her and Randall had their "material" prepared yet Randall conveyed his in a much more natural, effective manner.
 
~Shard~ said:
Sounds like an after-the-fact, manufactured PC statement to me... it's as if both her and Randall had their "material" prepared yet Randall conveyed his in a much more natural, effective manner.

Very good point. As the show progressed, there was plenty of time for both RJ and RP to be thinking about how they would handle their final appearance before Trump. Rebecca at times displayed a bit of snippiness and Randal upped the ante when he had to.
 
Deepdale said:
Rebecca at times displayed a bit of snippiness and Randal upped the ante when he had to.

Agreed - that's a good way to put it. Randall was simply more effective on this front as well, another attribute which, in my mind, places him above Rebecca. It could always simply be experience as well, or lack thereof in Rebecca's case due to her age, but at the end of the day it is what it is.
 
~Shard~ said:
It could always simply be experience as well, or lack thereof in Rebecca's case due to her age, but at the end of the day it is what it is.

Congratulations Shard ... you're hired! :)

Now all we have left is Aunt Martha's finale tonight.
 
Deepdale said:
Congratulations Shard ... you're hired! :)

Now all we have left is Aunt Martha's finale tonight.

Thanks! :D ;)

Yep, it will be interesting to see how that one ends up. For me it will be like a driving by a car crash - horrible, yet you just can't keep yourself from looking...
 
so tonight martha chooses just one candidate and it will be interesting, since unlike donald's show, there is no clear leader so anything can happen

i don't know if martha's show will be one or two hours since i didn't check yet

i know donald told his producers last season that there would be no more two hour finales for him, or else he would quit, because he basically told the tv people his time was very valueable and he didn't like how much time a week it took to shoot the show

remember, it's a whole season of episodes to choose a 250k a year employee, while in real life, donald has plenty of those to manage and thousands of his own regular employees and trying to recover from a 700 million dollar loss last year from the taj mahal alone, not to mention a lot of other losing, yet trump-like glamorous gambling ventures

personally, i would dump those high loss ventures, but gambling and those casinos are the very heart of what trump is known for, not office buildings or condos where he actually makes a profit ;)
 
Deepdale said:
It is one hour from 9 to 10. Howie Mandel's "Deal or No Deal" occupies the 8-9 slot.

it's funny how her finale is one hour and she is getting kicked off the network, and donald, who has a pretty good show, cannot get one hour like he wants, and is relegated to a two hour, dragged out (and thus boring finale)...it just seemed like it would never end and donald was stuck with banal monologue and it goes against donald's glam image

i would only have a two hour finale if it were the last show and there were four contestants left...fire one in the first hour, the second at the 90 minute point, and fire the third person at the show's conclusion...that way, it would appear to be exciting and moving forward

imagine if the standard baseball game was 14 innings or the standard football game six quarters...that's what a two hour finale with two contestants feels like to me and donald knows that...thus his ultimatum to nbc

we will see how donald's show ends next season since nbc picked him up for 2006
 
jefhatfield said:
i would only have a two hour finale if it were the last show and there were four contestants left...fire one in the first hour, the second at the 90 minute point, and fire the third person at the show's conclusion...

That format would definitely keep me interested until the very end.

jefhatfield said:
imagine if the standard baseball game was 14 innings

As things are now in baseball with all the gyrations that players go through, coupled with the revolting spitting, I am hard pressed to watch a game for two innings.
 
i missed it (the finale)

my friend came over with this french song and he wanted me to figure it out and we had only a few chords of it with no words

eventually we translated the title and found it to be sarah brightman's hit, "time to say goodbye" and he liked what i could decipher about that song on the internet and what my wife remembered by ear on piano, but could not find any mpeg streams of it for free...oh well

and the next thing i know it's past ten pm pst so i don't know who won on martha's apprentice

my guess is dawna, am i right? the online poll on nbc's apprentice site puts dawna at 58% and bethenny at 42% as for the people's guess
 
Martha's live finale

jefhatfield said:
... and the next thing i know it's past ten pm pst so i don't know who won on martha's apprentice

my guess is dawna, am i right? the online poll on nbc's apprentice site puts dawna at 58% and bethenny at 42% as for the people's guess

The poll proved to be accurate and Dawna did win and I wholeheartedly agreed with Martha's choice. The show was nicely done and both ladies completed their respective tasks without any major catastrophes. The Big Apple Circus event that was run by Bethenny really came together smoothly despite the rocky start that we saw at the end of the prior episode.

Dawna was in charge of the Liz Claiborne fashion show. The flaws that really displeased the LC executive were that the models took too long to be accessorized for the final trial run, and that the printed brochure was not completed according to her specifications.

It was done at the last minute because the executive made changes and it eventually did not have a cover on it. The top printed line was also not properly centered. Once the fashion show ended that same LC exec went to Dawna and was effusively praiseworthy, telling her that she did a wonderful job and was delighted with the result.

At the final interview, Bethenny aggressively promoted herself as clearly being the only one worthy of Stewart's consideration for the job at hand. She did come off as an elitist ... she also acknowledged the obvious in that she could be too manic at times despite always getting the job done and never having a defeatist attitude.

Dawna defended herself in a very dignified manner. In her summary before making her selection, Martha told Bethenny that she was was creative and talented, but also labeled her as a show-off and said that particular trait was hardly a prerequisite for being brought into MSLO.

Martha told Dawna that she was a competent business person and organizer, but was too dispassionate at times for her liking. Dawna then replied by saying that maybe it was because she wanted the job with Martha so badly that it actually may have prevented her from displaying the necessary passion to convince Martha of her utmost sincerity in that regard.

It was interesting to note how Dawna was more thankful and appreciative of the efforts put forth by her team, hugging each warmly even though it appeared she might be doomed by Amanda and her attitude. When questioned by Martha about why she was rather cool toward her team, Bethenny raised a few eyebrows by saying her chosen members were a disgruntled lot and that she did say thank you (which is true), but there was a chill in the air as she left them to get into the Maybach.

In the end, Martha told Dawna that there was room for someone with her ability and style at her company and offered her the job. Dawna Stone, who is publisher of Her Sports magazine with her husband, will be working with the editor of Body and Soul magazine (one of Martha's publications) to continue promoting women's health and related issues. Martha finally presented Dawna with the keys to a new Buick Lucerne.

I was impressed by Dawna's calm demeanor and reassuring style and am very happy for her and her family members who were in the audience. She is a classy lady and I am confident she will not only fit in easily at MSLO, but be successful over the long-term.

Charles leaned towards Bethenny when he again cited Dawna's dispassionate attitude at times ... Alexis also pointed out that the women were distinctly different, with Bethenny clearly the more creative force.

One final note: Believe it or not, Charles Koppelman actually managed to last through the live studio portion without that ever present stogie either in his mouth or hand.
 
Deepdale said:
One final note: Believe it or not, Charles Koppelman actually managed to last through the live studio portion without that ever present stogie either in his mouth or hand.

Maybe after watching the episodes on TV he realized how stupid he looked holding that thing.
 
All things considered, I was happy with the outcome. I still say neither of them deserved to win, but if I had to pick I would have chosen Dawna over Bethenny as well. I wonder how well she will do in her new job... I wonder if word would ever get out if she was fired, or something like that... ;)

Well, I guess it's back to watching Donald next season, hopefully he has a good one lined up - his show is lacking freshness, so it will be interesting to see what the producers have up their sleeves.

And, now that Martha's show was a bomb, will they find someone to replace her, so there will be 2 Apprentice shows again in the near future? Guess we'll see... I nominate Steve Jobs for the role... :eek: ;) :cool:
 
Flowbee said:
Maybe after watching the episodes on TV he realized how stupid he looked holding that thing.
And how the stupid thing was never lit just made absolute no sense to me. :confused:

I can understand why they would not light it on set, but why still hold it like your smoking it?

Anyone else wanted to smack her daughter for a reason I can't put my fingure on at the moment.:p
 
martha's daughter was in the boardroom as a bad idea, probably from one of the show's producers, and it showed

i don't think there is anything wrong with her, and nobody would look well in an artificial position...now martha's right hand man has probably done this type of thing for years and he looks a lot better

but i agree with the cigar thing...it has to go :)
 
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