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Re: Updated every day... Not! (so far)
They should have an (exhaustive) list of new uploads (as opposed to their new releases section, which hasn't changed as yet) so we can link to what is newly available.
They should have an (exhaustive) list of new uploads (as opposed to their new releases section, which hasn't changed as yet) so we can link to what is newly available.
Jackson vs. McCartney
thanks daveK, looks like you beat me to it. circa "ebony and ivory" MJ sought the advice of PM - suffice it to say that PM had no idea that MJ was working on acquiring/extorting the ENTIRE Beatles catalogue. hence the use of extraordinary Beatles tracks remade on cheesey commercials, and the ensuing enmity between Jackson and McCartney. Although, one could argue that material from artists as groundbreaking as the Beatles (or Elvis, for that matter) should be put into the public domain for the impact on our popular culture regardless of whether you actually like the stuff. . .
OH YEAH, almost forgot - I can't remember the last time I purchased any record/CD from a major label; Indie / College rock is the WAY TO GO and including KRS, beggars, where are my, rubric, def jux, 4AD, spinart, etc etc would get me to finally purchase online music. . .
thanks daveK, looks like you beat me to it. circa "ebony and ivory" MJ sought the advice of PM - suffice it to say that PM had no idea that MJ was working on acquiring/extorting the ENTIRE Beatles catalogue. hence the use of extraordinary Beatles tracks remade on cheesey commercials, and the ensuing enmity between Jackson and McCartney. Although, one could argue that material from artists as groundbreaking as the Beatles (or Elvis, for that matter) should be put into the public domain for the impact on our popular culture regardless of whether you actually like the stuff. . .
OH YEAH, almost forgot - I can't remember the last time I purchased any record/CD from a major label; Indie / College rock is the WAY TO GO and including KRS, beggars, where are my, rubric, def jux, 4AD, spinart, etc etc would get me to finally purchase online music. . .
international labels effect on the US
I too want to see the international record companies sign on, because I want everyone to get access to the store, but also for selfish reasons...
b-sides!!!
Since there is no singles market in the US to speak of, if I want, say, the Radiohead track Talk Show Host, I have to buy an import CD-Single from the UK or Japan which will cost at least 20 dollars for only 3 songs (one of which I'll already have from the album). Much as I love these bands and want to support them with my US$s, I can't justify paying 10 bucks per song, and I'll get them from other places..
Before the rise of p2p, I saw a bootleg CD containing over 20 Radiohead B-sides for $20. I emailed the band's merch people and asked if they planned to release these songs in the US. They told me I might as well get the bootleg.
If the international labels sign on and allow their content to be purchased in the US, it would be great for completists like me, and they would increase their own revenues.
And yes, like a lot of people here I want to see the Indies get on board soon (and I have been giving feedback to the Store). So far, nothing on my wanted music list is available)
I too want to see the international record companies sign on, because I want everyone to get access to the store, but also for selfish reasons...
b-sides!!!
Since there is no singles market in the US to speak of, if I want, say, the Radiohead track Talk Show Host, I have to buy an import CD-Single from the UK or Japan which will cost at least 20 dollars for only 3 songs (one of which I'll already have from the album). Much as I love these bands and want to support them with my US$s, I can't justify paying 10 bucks per song, and I'll get them from other places..
Before the rise of p2p, I saw a bootleg CD containing over 20 Radiohead B-sides for $20. I emailed the band's merch people and asked if they planned to release these songs in the US. They told me I might as well get the bootleg.
If the international labels sign on and allow their content to be purchased in the US, it would be great for completists like me, and they would increase their own revenues.
And yes, like a lot of people here I want to see the Indies get on board soon (and I have been giving feedback to the Store). So far, nothing on my wanted music list is available)
oh boy, generic music
I dunno, I don't plan to set my virtual feet into the Apple music store, just like I don't plan to set my physical feet into a Sam Goody or Best Buy or anything like that to buy music. At least not until they get some of the music that I would listen to.
There honestly isn't ONE track available that I would buy (or listen to, although that steve martin stuff was pretty tempting. However, I don't feel like paying 99¢ for less than a minute of spoken word). Even Sam Goody offers VNV Nation, but not the Apple store yet (although I did find Front 242).
I trust that Apple will broaden the music store substantially, both in content and availability... (at least I hope). I think the current selection of songs is pathetic compared to the rare, hard to find tracks that are available "elsewhere." Most of the music I like needs to be imported from Europe and Israel, that gets expensive. I'd happily fork over the 99¢ if the Apple music store offered them.
No, I'm not a concieted "Only European music is good" music listener. I just preferr the Eastern flavor (I'm also very much into electronic stuff, esp. psy trance & dubs -not too much of that in the States on the "Big Five").
On a different note....
I am curious about the proccess involved in having the Music Store offer your tracks. Very curious. As a part of my audio degree, I am taking a "Music Business" course. Not only while taking this class do you start to realise how awful the music industry is, you also start thinking about the legal side behind everything. This Music Store has me , yet again, very curious.
Is it just a matter of saying "Yeah, heres the tracks and the contract -or whatever-." Or maybe it is a *little* more complex than that.
I dunno, I don't plan to set my virtual feet into the Apple music store, just like I don't plan to set my physical feet into a Sam Goody or Best Buy or anything like that to buy music. At least not until they get some of the music that I would listen to.
There honestly isn't ONE track available that I would buy (or listen to, although that steve martin stuff was pretty tempting. However, I don't feel like paying 99¢ for less than a minute of spoken word). Even Sam Goody offers VNV Nation, but not the Apple store yet (although I did find Front 242).
I trust that Apple will broaden the music store substantially, both in content and availability... (at least I hope). I think the current selection of songs is pathetic compared to the rare, hard to find tracks that are available "elsewhere." Most of the music I like needs to be imported from Europe and Israel, that gets expensive. I'd happily fork over the 99¢ if the Apple music store offered them.
No, I'm not a concieted "Only European music is good" music listener. I just preferr the Eastern flavor (I'm also very much into electronic stuff, esp. psy trance & dubs -not too much of that in the States on the "Big Five").
On a different note....
I am curious about the proccess involved in having the Music Store offer your tracks. Very curious. As a part of my audio degree, I am taking a "Music Business" course. Not only while taking this class do you start to realise how awful the music industry is, you also start thinking about the legal side behind everything. This Music Store has me , yet again, very curious.
Is it just a matter of saying "Yeah, heres the tracks and the contract -or whatever-." Or maybe it is a *little* more complex than that.
IMO Apple's music store launch was very impressive and I'm sure the selection will grow and indie labels will get picked up. Leading off w/the majors was the only way to go because that will get the most people to the store. If you disagree w/that yer being dellusional<sp?>. And I'm saying this as a person who will probably never see a broad selection (if any selection at all) of music I truly enjoy at the iTMS. Just like when you are advertising a show you spend 90% of yer time talkin' 'bout the headliner 'cause the headliner, not the opening act(s), is gonna get the most amount of people to the show.
As for it being US only right now. I completely understand the irritation being suffered by those living outside of the US but rights management at an international level has to be on of the biggest cluster ****s known to man. I used to work for CART (the racing series) as a shooter/editor and when ever I'd talk w/our Director of Operations and try to understand CART's TV contracts and broadcasts rights I'd always get totally lost in about 10 minutes 'cause there are so many "if's, and's, & but's" invovled it's absolutely insane. I hope that Apple can work thru these hurrdles in a reasonable amount of time. Unfortunetly the easy of this accomplishment is more up to the labels/copyright owners and their lawyers than it is up to Apple.
Lethal
As for it being US only right now. I completely understand the irritation being suffered by those living outside of the US but rights management at an international level has to be on of the biggest cluster ****s known to man. I used to work for CART (the racing series) as a shooter/editor and when ever I'd talk w/our Director of Operations and try to understand CART's TV contracts and broadcasts rights I'd always get totally lost in about 10 minutes 'cause there are so many "if's, and's, & but's" invovled it's absolutely insane. I hope that Apple can work thru these hurrdles in a reasonable amount of time. Unfortunetly the easy of this accomplishment is more up to the labels/copyright owners and their lawyers than it is up to Apple.
Lethal
Beatles and Apple Records
two points:
Apple Records is owned by the Big Five (EMI I believe)
the rights to the Beatles catalog was bought by Michael Jackson several years ago, so you're not really dealing with the Beatles anymore - So you better believe that crazy freakin alien is just in a tizzy that no one is frothing at the mouth about Micheal Jackson's catalogue being in the Apple Music Store
two points:
Apple Records is owned by the Big Five (EMI I believe)
the rights to the Beatles catalog was bought by Michael Jackson several years ago, so you're not really dealing with the Beatles anymore - So you better believe that crazy freakin alien is just in a tizzy that no one is frothing at the mouth about Micheal Jackson's catalogue being in the Apple Music Store
Re: oh boy, generic music
DISCLAIMER: Please don't misinterpret this as a personal attack, insult, or any sort of general meanness on my part. I am really don't wasnt to offend or annoy anyone.
Are you serious? There is not ONE song out of over 200,000 available that you would even listen to? Not even one? Really?
I have friends that don't like "pop" music, and hate mainstream radio. I think it must be force of will or some sense of pride or something that would make you not be able to find ANY music from any major label. It would seem that you would have to be trying to not like anything not "underground". Is is a superiority thing? Sorry if I have sounded antagonistic, I really would like to know.
DISCLAIMER: Please don't misinterpret this as a personal attack, insult, or any sort of general meanness on my part. I am really don't wasnt to offend or annoy anyone.
Are you serious? There is not ONE song out of over 200,000 available that you would even listen to? Not even one? Really?
I have friends that don't like "pop" music, and hate mainstream radio. I think it must be force of will or some sense of pride or something that would make you not be able to find ANY music from any major label. It would seem that you would have to be trying to not like anything not "underground". Is is a superiority thing? Sorry if I have sounded antagonistic, I really would like to know.
I found a couple of songs I don't usually listen to, but I guess that is the point really, I don't want to ahve to listen to the same 5 songs over and over. I found some System of A Down, so thats a start, but I have been bugging the request and feedback people about some Metallica (almost threatened to not use the service), but oh well I got my Neil Diamond and Goo Goo Dolls to keep me happy.
Re: Re: Updated every day... Not! (so far)
New releases is not the same as newly uploaded, a new release would be new period. I believe the term in the store is "newly added" and yes, there is a section in each catagory's front page for this, at least the ones that have newly added material. I have already seen stuff that wasn't there before. Be patient...
BTW, I think it's cool they have a very simple Nirvana banner at the top of their alternative section. Appropriate.
New releases is not the same as newly uploaded, a new release would be new period. I believe the term in the store is "newly added" and yes, there is a section in each catagory's front page for this, at least the ones that have newly added material. I have already seen stuff that wasn't there before. Be patient...
BTW, I think it's cool they have a very simple Nirvana banner at the top of their alternative section. Appropriate.
Re: Re: oh boy, generic music
Well, I think there is a certain, sort of "boycott" sensibilty to this, in some people.
People used to call NIN "industrial", until a bunch of people got their nickers in a twist because "NO, dude, INDUSTRIAL is UNDERGROUND."
Well who gives a crap? Are you going to tell me that NIN is a puppet band for their parent label? Or are you saying that something that is underground is automatically better? I challenge anyone to prove this.
Is Rage Against the Machine not worth listening to because they have major corporate backing? Is their music less talented or their message more diluted? If so, what kind of guerilla revolutionary terrorist group do you come from that makes them seem mild?
And Tool...Tool is arguably the biggest band in the world (when they choose to pop their head out)...if you don't believe me tell me how many music magazine covers they weren't on when Lateralus came out. Go find out how many hours it took for them to sell out Madison Square Garden. And how many extra dates they had to make to appease the european audience.
Are you gonna tell me Tool isn't worth listening to because they're not on an indie label?
Look, for you indie purists, I understand where you're coming from, and I am looking forward to being able to check out more indie bands on this service, I have said this from the very beginning. But if you shut out anything that is under the Big 5, you're not really hurting them, because your dollars pale in comparison to what they make in general, and the sam goes to the artist.
You're only hurting yourself, and missing out on some great music.
My $1.50 (adjusted for length)
Well, I think there is a certain, sort of "boycott" sensibilty to this, in some people.
People used to call NIN "industrial", until a bunch of people got their nickers in a twist because "NO, dude, INDUSTRIAL is UNDERGROUND."
Well who gives a crap? Are you going to tell me that NIN is a puppet band for their parent label? Or are you saying that something that is underground is automatically better? I challenge anyone to prove this.
Is Rage Against the Machine not worth listening to because they have major corporate backing? Is their music less talented or their message more diluted? If so, what kind of guerilla revolutionary terrorist group do you come from that makes them seem mild?
And Tool...Tool is arguably the biggest band in the world (when they choose to pop their head out)...if you don't believe me tell me how many music magazine covers they weren't on when Lateralus came out. Go find out how many hours it took for them to sell out Madison Square Garden. And how many extra dates they had to make to appease the european audience.
Are you gonna tell me Tool isn't worth listening to because they're not on an indie label?
Look, for you indie purists, I understand where you're coming from, and I am looking forward to being able to check out more indie bands on this service, I have said this from the very beginning. But if you shut out anything that is under the Big 5, you're not really hurting them, because your dollars pale in comparison to what they make in general, and the sam goes to the artist.
You're only hurting yourself, and missing out on some great music.
My $1.50 (adjusted for length)
what if they are independant and forgien...
ugh.... what about labels like Astralwerks, they are a UK label, AND they are "independent" in comparison to universal.... how long would it be until THEY are added to the service...
I know they woudl have alot of music we would look for in the states, Chemical Brothers, Fatboy Slim, Basement Jaxx, Beta band, Dimitri of paris, motorbass, photek, placebo I know they have distrobution rights with virgin, there's a little bit of beth orton on the store and a tad of he others, but there is so much more
please let me know if anything I jsut said was inacurate, I kinda ranted...
anyone heard of yatsura?... scottish "punk" band, I'd liek to see them on the store...
look em up on kazaa or limewire, or morpheus... heh JUST KIDDING
ugh.... what about labels like Astralwerks, they are a UK label, AND they are "independent" in comparison to universal.... how long would it be until THEY are added to the service...
I know they woudl have alot of music we would look for in the states, Chemical Brothers, Fatboy Slim, Basement Jaxx, Beta band, Dimitri of paris, motorbass, photek, placebo I know they have distrobution rights with virgin, there's a little bit of beth orton on the store and a tad of he others, but there is so much more
please let me know if anything I jsut said was inacurate, I kinda ranted...
anyone heard of yatsura?... scottish "punk" band, I'd liek to see them on the store...
look em up on kazaa or limewire, or morpheus... heh JUST KIDDING
New Pornographers
And Neko Case is way ahead in playboy.com's hottest girls of indie rock poll. Too bad they got such a crappy picture of Cat Power.
Matador would be a good start for the store, but I hope they just make it really easy for any label to sell their stuff on their. Maybe not quite as easy as mp3.com, because there was a lot of garbage on there (probably still is, haven't been there in a while), but easy enough that if it's not on their, it's the label's fault for not trying.
your favorite band sucks
And Neko Case is way ahead in playboy.com's hottest girls of indie rock poll. Too bad they got such a crappy picture of Cat Power.
Matador would be a good start for the store, but I hope they just make it really easy for any label to sell their stuff on their. Maybe not quite as easy as mp3.com, because there was a lot of garbage on there (probably still is, haven't been there in a while), but easy enough that if it's not on their, it's the label's fault for not trying.
your favorite band sucks
Re: Jackson vs. McCartney
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