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Vandrederic

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Mar 15, 2013
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Hello all,

Not posted on these forums before but have used them for information in my project to see just how for a Mac Mini 1,1 could be pushed and upgraded. I have now completed my upgrades so wanted to share my results for others to know what these older Mac Minis are capable of.

I won't be covering in-depth steps taken as these are already on the forum and google but have summarised what was needed.

The mac mini in question started life with the following specs:
CPU - 1.66 GHz (T2300)
Ram - 512 MB (2 × 256 MB) of 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM
HDD - 80GB 5400 RPM Sata
OS - OSX 10.4.11

With the original specs I was surprised it was ever an active machine as it was an absolute dog when it came to even the most basic of web browsing and took an age just to boot.

The plan was simple:
Max the ram out to 4GB (3GB usable, limited by chipset)
Max the processor out to Intel core 2 duo T7600 (2.33Ghz)
Max the internal SATA interface with an SSD
Upgrade to the most current OS possible

To to the above I had to overcome a few limitations, these were:
1) As standard my mac mini came with firmware 1,1 which is limited to 2GB of RAM. Using online sources I was able to force an upgrade to firmware 1,2 which allows 4GB of ram to be installed.
2) Upgrading to OSX 10.6 was easy once the ram was upgraded, I have since upgraded to OSX 10.7 which involved using a 2nd mac in target disk mode to trick the installer into continuing on the mac mini's unsupported hardware and then modify the .plist file to get it to boot and also again after major system software updates.
3) Apple does not support TRIM on non-apple SSD's as standard, I used a tool called 'Trim enabler' to enable this feature for my SSD to get maximum speed from it.

With the above limitations overcome I now have a mac mini with the following specifications, and it has cost me £100 for the mac mini and then £200 on parts for a total of £300:

CPU - INTEL CORE 2 DUO T7600 (2.33Ghz)
Ram - Samsung DDR2 RAM 800MHz PC2-6400 (running at 667Mhz by limitations of motherboard)
HDD - 120GB OCZ Agility 3 SSD
OS - OSX 10.7.5

Benchmarks for this set-up are below. Note that the HDD is limited to 1.5 Gbit/s by the mac mini, the chip-set is apparently capable of 3.0 Gbit/s but I have not found a way to unlock this. Also to note is that initially I upgraded to OSX 10.6 and under this the HDD had read speeds 10mbps faster, so looks like OSX 10.7 may be slowing it down a little.

I now have a mac that boots up from cold in under 20 seconds and loads any applications within two bounces of the dock icon. It did boot and run a bit faster under 10.6 versus 10.7 but I wanted the most up to date version I could fit on, unfortunately due to hardware limits it seems 10.8 is not an option.

The mac mini does suffer a bit with the menu animations under 10.7 but not enough to affect day to day use, under 10.6 it was perfect. The only task I have found it a bit lacking in is 1080p 60fps video encoding, this takes quite a while to complete but I'm unsure if it's limited by the on-board graphics or not. I know the CPU only runs at 50% usage due to iMovie running as a 32-bit process (10.7 itself runs 64-bit no problem), so it may be faster when/if iMovie ever goes 64-bit.

Anyway, all I can really say is that the Mac mini really is a very capable and upgradable machine if you are willing to get your hands dirty. I would say OSX 10.6 is it's natural limit but it will run 10.7 well 90% of the time and even with 4GB of ram (3GB usable) is able to run VMware fusion and windows VMs without too much slowdown. Any questions let me know.

Benchmark results (under 10.7):

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well it is old gear and this has been done on this site years ago at a much higher cost. I do have 1 suggestion try a different ssd.

That chipset does not like ocz gear.

if you could find a samsung 470/810 ssd if may run at sata speed.

the 256gb size. I have gotten them to run at sata II in the newer 2007 1.83 and 2009 2.0 ,2.26, 2.53 ,2.66 models.

ocz ssd's often will not run at sata II in the older minis



oh Thanks for the novabench results I just downloaded it here are scores for my 2012 mac base i5
 

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It reminds me of those shows on cable TV were they take an old car, strip it down and replace all the seats, engine, wheels etc (West Coast Customs e.g.).

I think you need some body work modifications or a pimped out paint job on the case... :)

All jokes aside, its a very nice job.

It is interesting you can upgrade the CPU. They're all soldered these days.
 
For comparison, here are the results for the latest top spec MM maxed out to my liking (budget):

2012 MM i7 Quad Core 2.6ghz
Fusion Drive with an OCZ Agility 3 SSD 240GB and the OEM Apple Hitachi 1TB
16G Corsair Vengeance 1600Mhz Ram

My SSD has never been super fast but it works ok for me.

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I found some info from a very old thread the upgrade you did ran about 1000usd to do it to NEW 2007 1.83 MACHINE SO YOU SPENT 300 POUNDS OR ABOUT 450 USD. YOUR machine is pretty nice for a home theater setup. in the states it can do a good job with netfilx and eye tv recordings.. plus you can put cds in it and make a really nice iTunes server with lossless quality.
 
Cheers for the eventual replies guys. I had heard some things about OCZ from the windows side of things with their firmwares being a bit dodgy, however for the price point it was worth it.

Posted up as I had found mentions of various modifications but no benchmark results and posts where someone had done ALL the possible steps on the older mac mini...so mainly for a point of reference for future people considering doing the upgrades. The trickiest bit was the CPU upgrade as it involved a full tear-down, that and the firmware hack as if it went wrong it could have bricked it.

All in all I just did it to see how fast the system could be, especially now that the parts required are quite affordable. £100 on the mini and £200 on parts and I have something that spec wise is comparable to the current gen macbook airs:D

Plus at current prices if I sold it I would not only make my money back but a bit of profit too, based on current prices I think I could get at least £400 for the machine. Which when it comes to upgrading systems is a rarity, normally you lose money straight away due to the high price of the components.

Though I plan on keeping the mini for now, might end up using it for front row/xbmc with some emulators on with the TV. Gotta say I don't like the newer shaped mini's as to me they are not 'mini' they are huge in comparison.
 
A bit late on the thread, but are you able to spit out 1080p video (say DVI to HDMI)? Considering if it's worth doing this update to my Mac Mini vs. just getting a new one.
 
Advice

Hi,

Thanks for the info. I've just purchased a 1,1 Mac Mini with a 1.6ghz Core Duo processor. I'm looking to upgrade, but all the processors I'm looking at (T7600) are Socket P, whereas the Mac Mini is Socket M. Everything I've read so far states they aren't compatible.

How have people managed the upgrade? Can I use the Socket P T7600 in the Mac Mini?

Thanks:)
 
Hi,

Thanks for the info. I've just purchased a 1,1 Mac Mini with a 1.6ghz Core Duo processor. I'm looking to upgrade, but all the processors I'm looking at (T7600) are Socket P, whereas the Mac Mini is Socket M. Everything I've read so far states they aren't compatible.

How have people managed the upgrade? Can I use the Socket P T7600 in the Mac Mini?

Thanks:)

Answered my own question. There are Socket M T7600's as well as socket P T7600's, The P's are cheap, the M's are expensive.
 
I think geekbench is used more commonly on this site for such comparisons. How much of that ram is being actually utilized? Did you flash your 1,1 into a 2,1?

And it looks like your SSD is running at SATA I, SATA II ought to possible.
 
I know this is an old thread, but it definately has my interests. I just bought an old mac mine..same model I plan on updating like this to run lion. any more tips and tricks will be helpful..not buying SSD tho
 
I know this is an old thread, but it definately has my interests. I just bought an old mac mine..same model I plan on updating like this to run lion. any more tips and tricks will be helpful..not buying SSD tho

Truthfully the SSD might actually be the best upgrade you can do. Further, the T7600 is going to be "expensive", you can usually get a T7400 (2.16ghz) for much cheaper. Frankly you won't notice a difference. What a t7400 can't do, a t7600 won't do either. Even look for t7200 or t5600s (u used t5600s which I bought off eBay years ago for $10 each)
 
I know this is an old thread, but it definately has my interests. I just bought an old mac mine..same model I plan on updating like this to run lion. any more tips and tricks will be helpful..not buying SSD tho

Not really worth doing the upgrades without the SSD if you're going to use the machine for normal tasks.
 
I got my hands on a t7500 out of a dell d630.



will 10.6.8 run on that processor, and 2 gig of ram. I havent bought 4gb chips yet. I bought lion back in 2012.
 
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2006-2007 Mac Mini's cannot use an Intell T7500. Those have an 800Mhz bus speed where the Mini has a 667Mhz bus.
 
I am new to hardware/software of apple but I have been fixing pc's for 20 years. This will be my first mac I have upgraded. I purchased a pretty nice one off ebay, this thing looks brand new. I was surprised how snappy it is with 512 of ram, I started out on lion , this mac mini has tiger I miss the virtual desktops. Anyway I do not have too much issue upgrading the hardware I think I can get that sorted out pretty well , but I will need some assistance upgrading to lion. would I just put the harddrive in an external usb, hook it up to my mBP, start the lion install , point it to the harddrive(new partition, keep tiger) put it back in the mac mini, boot into tiger find plist and delete it, reboot into lion
 
I am new to hardware/software of apple but I have been fixing pc's for 20 years. This will be my first mac I have upgraded. I purchased a pretty nice one off ebay, this thing looks brand new. I was surprised how snappy it is with 512 of ram, I started out on lion , this mac mini has tiger I miss the virtual desktops. Anyway I do not have too much issue upgrading the hardware I think I can get that sorted out pretty well , but I will need some assistance upgrading to lion. would I just put the harddrive in an external usb, hook it up to my mBP, start the lion install , point it to the harddrive(new partition, keep tiger) put it back in the mac mini, boot into tiger find plist and delete it, reboot into lion

Easiest thing is to get a Firewire cable (assuming the MBP isn't a new retina MBP), and then use "target disk mode". The MBP will actually use the drive in the Mac Mini as it's own personal drive. You can then install lion (probably from a USB stick) directly onto the Mini's drive and before you shut down the MBP, find the Plist file (from the MBP) and delete it. Shut down both computers. Fire up the Mini. Tada.... Lion. To be honest, I prefer Snow Leopard on my 2006-2008 Mini's. Lion was a bit of the Vista of the Mac world (although not as bad) and Snow Leopard is fully compatible with the Mini's, so no target disk mode/hack needed.
 
Easiest thing is to get a Firewire cable (assuming the MBP isn't a new retina MBP), and then use "target disk mode". The MBP will actually use the drive in the Mac Mini as it's own personal drive. You can then install lion (probably from a USB stick) directly onto the Mini's drive and before you shut down the MBP, find the Plist file (from the MBP) and delete it. Shut down both computers. Fire up the Mini. Tada.... Lion. To be honest, I prefer Snow Leopard on my 2006-2008 Mini's. Lion was a bit of the Vista of the Mac world (although not as bad) and Snow Leopard is fully compatible with the Mini's, so no target disk mode/hack needed.

so using target disk mode, does it require turning my MBP off(power button inop)? I might try snow leopard but it isnt 64bit right? and it wont support 4gig of ram
 
Snow Leopard has 64-bit support. Mac OS X did all the way back to 10.4. Even 10.2.7 could access more than 4GB of ram. Your Mini itself can't see more than 4GB of ram, of which only 3.3GB of it will be usable because of a limitation with its chipset.
 
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