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Wait it's all coming together now, Apple with their hardware and software in the whole world's pocket, tight controlled integration, locked on to body monitoring, The Space Ship campus...

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Apple are going to announce that Earth is going to be taken over by an alien race...

We are all doomed.
 
Maybe they will partner up with some of the medical clinics in the US, and maybe there will be a couple more in some countries in europe, but that's definitely not a worldwide feature that every Apple user would enjoy.

Investing that much time in such a specific app for such a low number of users is a weird direction for Apple...

So health, fitness, and nutrition is only an issue for a small number of people in the world? What?
 
Maybe they will partner up with some of the medical clinics in the US, and maybe there will be a couple more in some countries in europe,

Actually, I doubt that it works in Europe. That whole thing seems very US-centric to me, because the American clinic system doesn't really exist in Europe to that same extent (or at least not in the parts of Europe that I know). Most physicians in Europe have their own offices and are not affiliated with hospitals or work in clinics or medical centers. If you need a specialist, you usually pick one yourself, and they have no direct connection to your primary physician, so this whole system of gathering and correlating data in one central place for each patient somehow does not work, and I doubt that physicians will invest into the necessary infrastructure.
 
So health, fitness, and nutrition is only an issue for a small number of people in the world? What?

judging by the latest obesity numbers. yes :p

Actually, I doubt that it works in Europe. That whole thing seems very US-centric to me, because the American clinic system doesn't really exist in Europe to that same extent (or at least not in the parts of Europe that I know). Most physicians in Europe have their own offices and are not affiliated with hospitals or work in clinics or medical centers. If you need a specialist, you usually pick one yourself, and they have no direct connection to your primary physician, so this whole system of gathering and correlating data in one central place for each patient somehow does not work, and I doubt that physicians will invest into the necessary infrastructure.

agreed. wont work like that in Germany either. everyone does their own thing and picks their dr. accordingly on what issue they might have.

it "might" be possible to cooporate with the health insurance companies itself but then again i doubt anyone would be stupid enough to let them track you like that. it just opens big "loopholes" for them not having to pay
 
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Wait it's all coming together now, Apple with their hardware and software in the whole world's pocket, tight controlled integration, locked on to body monitoring, The Space Ship campus...

... Wish We Could Say More ...

O

M

F

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Apple are going to announce that Earth is going to be taken over by an alien race...

We are all doomed.
I'll get suspicious when Tim says, "we're doing this so we can serve man."

It's a cookbook!!!
 
Actually, I doubt that it works in Europe. That whole thing seems very US-centric to me, because the American clinic system doesn't really exist in Europe to that same extent (or at least not in the parts of Europe that I know). Most physicians in Europe have their own offices and are not affiliated with hospitals or work in clinics or medical centers. If you need a specialist, you usually pick one yourself, and they have no direct connection to your primary physician, so this whole system of gathering and correlating data in one central place for each patient somehow does not work, and I doubt that physicians will invest into the necessary infrastructure.

I see absolutely no reason why individual doctors wouldn't be able to use health data collected in a centralized place on your phone.
 
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If Apple seriously think that this can be incorporated into mainstream healthcare any time soon I hope they bargained for the FDAs terminally slow regulatory processes...

Or the head of the Special Projects group and others have been meeting them - and the developer rules for Healthkit has been confirmed to be ok for that.

See app store review guidelines 27.
 
Or the head of the Special Projects group and others have been meeting them - and the developer rules for Healthkit has been confirmed to be ok for that.

See app store review guidelines 27.

Also, with HIPPA rules, they better be absolutely sure that the data, once entered has protections on it, or the lawyers are going to have a field day with this.
 
I see absolutely no reason why individual doctors wouldn't be able to use health data collected in a centralized place on your phone.

cuz at least here you dont have "the" doctor. you see a different one depending on what your issue is. so you think its a good idea to send a random heart specialist for example your data if you cannot even be sure its the same doctor the next time you go there?

i dont see a future for that here. we are too "anal" about privacy in Germany giving our history.

i guess its good to try it in the US tho. it is a american company after all so whatever ;)
 
Also, with HIPPA rules, they better be absolutely sure that the data, once entered has protections on it, or the lawyers are going to have a field day with this.

Seeing as this is public:
27. HealthKit

27.1 Apps using the HealthKit framework must comply with applicable law for each Territory in which the App is made available, as well as Sections 3.3.28 and 3.3.39 of the iOS Developer Program License Agreement
27.4 Apps may not use user data gathered from the HealthKit API for advertising or other use-based data mining purposes other than improving health, medical, and fitness management, or for the purpose of medical research
27.7 Apps using the HealthKit framework must provide a privacy policy or they will be rejected
27.8 Apps that provide diagnoses, treatment advice, or control hardware designed to diagnose or treat medical conditions that do not provide written regulatory approval upon request will be rejected


Don't think many devs would want the legal / insurance risk to just try and develop an app - Apple will be onto it with their app review i'd imagine.
 
So strange that the Mayo Clinic disagrees and some of the folk names from WWDC will be up on stage proving otherwise.

Everyone can take what they want from Healthkit, or leave it be and use other features. Having worked in part with telehealth - this is a huge step forward.

Again, even if Mayo or whatever other clinic would adopt this healthkit concept, how many users will use it..? 1-3% of iPhone users? I don't think that's an investment worth doing. Moreover, it's not a feature worth mentioning let alone bring special spokesperson from the outside. There are too many different systems for Apple to really become an important part in the health industry in my opinion.

So health, fitness, and nutrition is only an issue for a small number of people in the world? What?

I don't know, but that's not the issue. Probably a lot of iPhone users would want something to monitor these subjects, some of them would use the health app for that, but this app concept is a lot more than a nike+ running app that also monitors your nutrition and heart rate. It seems that Apple's vision for healthkit is integrating to the country's healthcare system and i think that this would never happen, definitely not somewhere outside the US.

It's ambitious, i can give them that, but unreal in my opinion.
 
People keep talking about sleep monitoring with this device. But if you wear it while you're sleeping, when else are you going to charge it? Unless it's got removable batteries (which would be very un-Apple like and inconvenient), I don't see how that's going to work.

Maybe there will be third party separate monitors that communicate via bluetooth so the phone can still be plugged in?
 
Health app could be useful in providing doctors with more diversified info. Everything depends on what info the new IPhone is capable of providing

Tracking things can be useful. Like the AliveCor heart monitor. Useful for long term studies, and for short-term monitoring.
 
Oh, but they do. The baby boomers are reaching retirement age.

Which population is most in need of medical care, which population has the most money, which population will go out of their way to remain healthy?

I agree with your point, but you might have missed the sarcasm of the post you quoted.
 
So health, fitness, and nutrition is only an issue for a small number of people in the world? What?

Yes.

I live in the UK, and can say without any hesitation I am watching year after year the "General / Mass" UK population follow America's lead and get fatter and fatter and fatter.

We are almost nearing the stage of "spot the thin woman" in a Food Supermarket now, whereas I can remember the fat one was the odd one out.

Kids are getting fatter and fatter, stores are full or ready made pre packaged food. More take away variety than ever.

I'm not saying people don't want to be healthy, but they can't just stop throwing more and more tasty junk food down their mouths.

People used to do hard physical jobs, women also. Now they sit at desks in an office in front of a screen nibbling cookies and still eating the same or more than their mothers and grandmothers who had to work bloody hard physically.

A health app on a phone is not going to do sod all to the mass population who want it for social stuff, internet usage and games.

The concept is worthy, but I question strongly the reality.
Western Fatties are not going to stop eating the food they love just cos their mobile phone app says they should stop.
 
I was in a workshop the other day, where groups were using technology to help their members track their health, and motivate them to live healthy lifestyles. What was so remarkable is that people, who usually only go to a doctor once or twice a year, were able to now focus on their health daily. And when they went to the doctor they had months of data to take with them. It really has more potential for preventative health and early detection than many realize.

i also understand many here have no interest in this now. Many people also have little interest in an iwatch or NFC . This presentation will be more diverse than usual, and folks will have to live with it.
 
Jesus Christ... White and sky-blue text on light green background... What the.. are they smoking?

Someone at Apple needs to be given a good slap upside the head. They either need to use adaptive text that contrasts with their peculiar background colors, use drop shadows (or a stroke color) to help the text stand out or just abandon those neon gradients altogether. I don't know how anyone at Apple could consider those color choices readable, especially for people who have vision impairment. Apple is supposed to be user-friendly. Their current text-and-background scheme violates that. "I don't mean that in a small way. I mean that in a big way."
 
Hmmm ... just wondering, with all this useless prattle, whether the iPhone will have a BETTER battery and BETTER antennas.
 
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