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MBA with a touchscreen / iPad with OS X
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Im pretty sure we see the 11" macbook air getting a touchscreen soon and the option to dualboot: OSX and iOS + the option to run iOS in a VM under OSX.
But i see no reason for a touchonly device with OSX. OSX was not made for touch, and it never will be. Probably OS XI will
But i see no reason for a touchonly device with OSX. OSX was not made for touch, and it never will be. Probably OS XI will
And when (if) we do Bobby will take all the credit, even though every nerd has thought of this since touchscreens have existed.
Bob, I'm truly amazed.
Usually posters on here show a lack of knowledge in business, computer architecture, or interface design. You've managed to show that you have no understanding of any of the three. Simultaneously. That's tough to do.
And, you've managed to do it while flip-flopping between the persona of a roid-raging aggro and a 3-year-old child arguing with mom and dad.
Bravo, indeed.
Seems appropriate:
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. "
You're in too deep, son. Best get out with your tail between your legs and what little dignity you have left.
Hugs and kisses!
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Usually posters on here show a lack of knowledge in business, computer architecture, or interface design. You've managed to show that you have no understanding of any of the three. Simultaneously. That's tough to do.
And, you've managed to do it while flip-flopping between the persona of a roid-raging aggro and a 3-year-old child arguing with mom and dad.
Bravo, indeed.
Seems appropriate:
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. "
You're in too deep, son. Best get out with your tail between your legs and what little dignity you have left.
Hugs and kisses!
b
LOL! So alust2013, what will you say the day when Apple releases this device? I bet you will feel pretty stupid then.
Are you going to criticise the "MacBook Touch" (that can run every iPhone, iPad app and every OS X app) saying: "This device is a stupid idea from Apple, I love carrying two devices with me (iPad and MBP/A). Carrying one device that can do it all is stupid, I won´t buy it!". I´m sure that will be your "criticism" then.
Like I said, this will happen, it´s just a question of how soon.
I like how you are now ignoring logic, and my very thorough reasoning for not wanting such a device. Please do explain exactly how this will run every iPhone, iPad and OS X app? I'm quite curious, especially since I have given excellent reason that it will not work that simply. You're boasting amazing features of a device that doesn't even exist. Unless you are sir Jobs himself, I'm betting it isn't going to happen.
My criticism, should this device ever exist in the form that you describe, is that I would be left with an underpowered computer that has little more practical functionality than an iPad.
I tend to agree with Night Spring in that the closest we will get to that is a full-featured (or close) version of iOS. It certainly makes more sense on the iPad
Aside from your stupid statement that iOS on a tablet is disasterous, I think it's obvious that iOS and MacOSX will merge eventually. Apple understands that right now, a desktop OS on a tablet results in a horrible device. Even if OSX were modified to perfection to work with a touch interface, the software you run on it wouldn't be. And developers won't modify their desktop class software until touch based devices are widely adopted.
Apple deftly released the iPad with a seperate but similar on the back end OS, which is acheiving a great deal of popularity. Over time, more and more developers will design desktop class apps for the iPad, or apps that interface with their desktop versions.
The MacOSX app store is the first step in merging the two. In, lets say five years time, MacOSX will be the same on tablets and desktops, and it will be controllable with a mouse, trackpad, and fingers. Apps will be cross platform and scale based on the device you are using, along with easily interface across devices.
Just a quick vision, need to get back to work.
Apple deftly released the iPad with a seperate but similar on the back end OS, which is acheiving a great deal of popularity. Over time, more and more developers will design desktop class apps for the iPad, or apps that interface with their desktop versions.
The MacOSX app store is the first step in merging the two. In, lets say five years time, MacOSX will be the same on tablets and desktops, and it will be controllable with a mouse, trackpad, and fingers. Apps will be cross platform and scale based on the device you are using, along with easily interface across devices.
Just a quick vision, need to get back to work.
God Bobhail is obnoxious.
Who are you to say "this will happen"?
Who the hell do you think you are to call everyone here stupid, when you are the one who is repeating the same things over and over again and generally butchering the English language AND implying we can force apple to do anything? Apple are really good to the consumers, if only for pushing the competition along.
Who are you to say "this will happen"?
Who the hell do you think you are to call everyone here stupid, when you are the one who is repeating the same things over and over again and generally butchering the English language AND implying we can force apple to do anything? Apple are really good to the consumers, if only for pushing the competition along.
I used a touchscreen Windows 7 laptop for a brief period, and I'll say I loved the touchscreen, of course I didnt go 100%, I typed using the keyboard, and scrolled with the mouse and such, but for pressing buttons and links, and selecting menu's, changing Windows and such, it was just really neat to be able to do.
If they introduced a touchscreen into the Laptops, it would be a good idea IMO, people wouldn't have to use it.
My Mac friend always says how he'd love his iMac to be a touchscreen too.
If they introduced a touchscreen into the Laptops, it would be a good idea IMO, people wouldn't have to use it.
My Mac friend always says how he'd love his iMac to be a touchscreen too.
Lots of people like the idea, and find it 'neat'. Try using one for a year or full-time at your job. You'll stop using the touch screen pretty quickly, since the OS is optimized for keyboard and mouse input.
I'm not saying it should become the primary method of input, Im saying it makes a good additional one. Use it when it suits you.
And I'm saying that people simply don't bother to use it when it's offered. After the novelty wears off, people don't switch between input styles and they stop perpetually asking themselves 'what input style should I use now'. They just use 'what works' and if the interface is optimized for keyb+mouse, that's what they end up using. There's no benefit to offering the additional input because in practice people simply don't use it.
I suppose it could be useful for gaming which is touch-based, but if people are already moving a mouse around, they'll keep using the mouse, especially if the screen is vertical.
This is basic design interaction stuff.
He just _thinks_ he would love it, and that's because he never used it in practice.
Touchscreens on a stationary vertical monitors won't work. it's just not a good experience to interact with a large vertically-facing surface via touch. I have a stand for my iPad which I use for watching movies.. that works OK, but I can't stand touch-controlling my iPad in that position. It gets much worse with something like iMac.
If we ever see touch on an iMac - it would have some sort of retractable display that slides into a near horizontal position (you may have seen Apple patent renderings of that concept). But I personally think even that would be kind of silly.. There is nothing wrong with interacting with a desktop via keyboard/mouse/trackpad.
This is the difference between thinking like an engineer and thinking like a product designer - engineers put everything in, just in case someone wants to use it.
Engineers rule the roost at Microsoft. Product designers drive everything at Apple.
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I don't get the obbsession with keyboardless laptops or having touch screens for everything. A real keyboard and multi touch via a track pad work great. My GF and I use the ipad for 99% of our computing needs and it is great, but sometimes a KB and mouse/trackpad are pretty handy. My GF was working on a project copying and pasting quotes from the web. First she tried the ipad as it was sitting right there, lame and frustrating. Then she tried using VNC to control the mac mini still lame and frustrating so she just used the mini, quick and easy via mouse and KB.
Also I think it makes more sense to refine and expand on IOS than to strip down OSX. If a car designer wants to build a sports coupe they dont start by taking an SUV and stripping it down, and if they did it would probably be a pretty crappy car. It makes more sense to design from the ground up and use what they have learned from designing an SUV apply what works, which is the route Apple is taking. JMO
Also I think it makes more sense to refine and expand on IOS than to strip down OSX. If a car designer wants to build a sports coupe they dont start by taking an SUV and stripping it down, and if they did it would probably be a pretty crappy car. It makes more sense to design from the ground up and use what they have learned from designing an SUV apply what works, which is the route Apple is taking. JMO
I'm not sure if you are Saying Apple is better as it has great design, or a Windows PC is better as it can do anything anyone wants of it.
Who said Windows PC can do anything anyone wants to do? Microsoft engineers might throw in any features they think anyone would want, but that doesn' mean they've exhausted the possibilities of what people can want. But nitpicking aside, I'd say both those statements are true -- Apple has the better design, Windows tend to have more features. Which is "better" is up to each individual user preference.
honestly i like iOS. its made for touch. OSX was not made for touch and would be kind of a crappy experience. this has been proven with windows touch devices. the eperience just isnt that great when its not made for touch.
i also like not having to pay more then 5 dollars for my apps. seriously ipad does almost everything. but since its "almost" there will always be someone to complain.
i also like not having to pay more then 5 dollars for my apps. seriously ipad does almost everything. but since its "almost" there will always be someone to complain.
That was me from 2001-2010, I was a complete *******.
2010-????, I now own an iPad, and it is ****ing awesome.
People have been speculating that since early last decade, and they all said 100% fact, and they were all wrong and no one was right. This is why things like the ModBook exist.
Is is possible? Yes. Is it 100% Fact. No. Will it happen in the next year? No.
Touchscreen computers are such a low market that it doesn't even matter, I love the idea of touchscreen mac and even windows. But the implementation is balls. A rewrite of key OS features will have to go through, as well as expensive touchscreens will have to be used not some capacitive screen, I'm talking about a wacom precision LCD screen.
Neither one is better, because different people have different preferences.
Some people will look at an Apple machine (or an iOS device, in particular) and say "this doesn't do as much as my Windows box, therefore it's bad".
Other people will look at a Windows machine and say "this is overloaded with features I'll never use, I'd rather have a set of just what I need".
And they're both valid viewpoints. They both have costs and benefits. You CAN'T do everything in iWork that you can do in Office, for example. But, most people don't need those features, and including them makes the software interface more complicated, and makes the software more bloated in general.
Always tradeoffs. It's up to what you prefer.
This is the big issue with the iPad -- people that think like engineers will never be happy with it, because it doesn't do enough. People that think like product designers will love it, because it does exactly what they need.
And neither person will ever be able to understand where the other is coming from, or why they just don't "get it".
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