MBP 14 base .what are your temperatures ( especially idle )

[SirKeldon]

Yeah the problem is that most of my apps aren't still Apple Silicon optimised...

- FB Messenger
- What's App
- Microsoft Teams

These 3 are the main culripts of eating my RAM, just look at this...

View attachment 1931841

Yes, I can see Teams renderer is a huge leak over there, but don't think under Intel it runs a lot better, take a look at my Activity Monitor on a i9-9900K under High Sierra with similar issues:

See the renderer's from Microsoft software as well as the WhatsaApp ones, and btw, don't blame FireFox, blame Atlassian for JIRA/Confluence before 🤣

 

[MrGunnyPT]

Yes, I can see Teams renderer is a huge leak over there, but don't think under Intel it runs a lot better, take a look at my Activity Monitor on a i9-9900K under High Sierra with similar issues:

View attachment 1931847

Take a look at the renderer's from Microsoft software as well as the WhatsaApp ones, and btw, don't blame FireFox, blame Atlassian for JIRA/Confluence before 🤣

Yeah I know the pain 🙁 I should have gone with 32GB, wasn't really expecting to have issues with 16GB since my M1 Air has been doing work just fine! Lots of swap sure, but the 8GB was doing okay with 8GB swap every day.

Either way 16GB is more than fine as long as you don't have memory leaks ahaha

 

[SirKeldon]

Yeah I know the pain 🙁 I should have gone with 32GB, wasn't really expecting to have issues with 16GB since my M1 Air has been doing work just fine! Lots of swap sure, but the 8GB was doing okay with 8GB swap every day.

Either way 16GB is more than fine as long as you don't have memory leaks ahaha

The shot I posted is my work machine and being "mild" used, my usual workloads involve 12-24GB ... and rig is anchored to High Sierra due to Apple/NVIDIA stuff, you know.

I purchased the MBP 2021 for personal use and also, just in case, to act as a replacement for my work machine in case I travel or I'm not at home. I first got the 16GB one (gave Apple a try regarding Unified Memory) and tested similar environments and for me, it wasn't enough, mainly due to Docker/VMs, saw more swap than I liked and decided to go for 32GB. Yours is holding like a champ, just 125 mb swap with all that load, impressive.

Can't wait to get similar configuration watching these thermals with the Mac Mini and get rid of 9900K-oven and of course, High Sierra.

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

Just tried and zero static or hiss noise, it's 1am and dead quiet here, also I placed my ear like 1cm away from the vent side, nothing, and I can tell you that I'm particularly sensitive with sounds (I could hear the "electronic" hiss sound of my vaper while is 30cm away and screen is on ... or the hum from the fridge with kitchen door closed, and I couldn't hear any static coming from the Macbook while on mute)

If you're facing these issues it can be caused by a lot of reasons, software and/or hardware; in guitar amps and other external speakers, even on in-audio desktop computers, this can be caused by bad cable shielding or most likely, a bad electric-ground connection which tends to cause buzzes/hisses or white noise, even surrounding electromagnetic fields could interfere, but as mentioned, there are A LOT of reasons and it would be really hard trying to guess.

I'd go to Apple again and explain the issue, from there, I'd exchange the unit unless they find the cause and are able to fix it. This is giving you a hard headache 🙂

just got my hands on another unit eheh

so ,either you aren't as sensitive as you say. ,or I am superior (the latter being likely lol)...or its a hw deffect that's on both machines....because I noticed this wooooosh noise in the second unit too.

I said, ok fine, time to reset the device completely, factory reset it basically(I mean factory reset the new 2nd device )

and well, it didn't change anything, this noise is still present

I can't believe u don't hear it .did you play something on YouTube ,then paused the video and put your ears next the side holes/vents ? surprisingly the speakers themselves don't rly make that much noise, but the vents do ahah

btw ,being gifted with a big and smart brain (I believe I told you about it before ?) im hesitant as to which Mac I should keep ....new one's good but there is some crackling sound thing and , more importantly, the display has a yellow tint ...

 

[SirKeldon]

so ,either you aren't as sensitive as you say. ,or I am superior (the latter being likely lol)...or its a hw deffect that's on both machines....because I noticed this wooooosh noise in the second unit too.

I said, ok fine, time to reset the device completely, factory reset it basically(I mean factory reset the new 2nd device )

and well, it didn't change anything, this noise is still present

I can't believe u don't hear it .did you play something on YouTube ,then paused the video and put your ears next the side holes/vents ? surprisingly the speakers themselves don't rly make that much noise, but the vents do ahah

Without wanting to start a battle here, I am extremely sensitive to sounds, spotting on high/low frequencies at low dB range, checked with Physicians, but maybe you're superior as you mention, so who knows 😂

I tried your exact same steps, not only pausing but muting as you said yesterday, and no, I didn't hear anything at all but dead silence, not even electronic sound/hum/buzz of any kind, so maybe you're more sensitive than me or both machines present same hiss.

Btw, as you mention "speakers don't make noise but the vents do", static air pressure changes from open ambient to a closed one, those vents can interfere cause they're in fact, small tunnels, so the hissing can be a perception from yours when you place your ears near them. You can accomplish a similar effect by sticking your hand as a roll (or a real toilet paper roll) to your ear, you'll experience how your ambient perception/hearing is different.

btw ,being gifted with a big and smart brain (I believe I told you about it before ?) im hesitant as to which Mac I should keep ....new one's good but there is some crackling sound thing and , more importantly, the display has a yellow tint ...

At this point, I don't know what to tell you regarding the machines, you started asking for temperatures and they were not concerning, the strange "speakers/sparkling" glitch appeared but didn't happen again, a technician reviewed the guts of that machine and told you nothing was wrong, despite that, you still were not confident, told me the static was still present and to perform those tests which in my case are negative; and yet you managed to get a new unit that has the same static noise problem plus bigger ones.

So my 2 cents, you should keep the one you think it's best or don't keep any at all, and don't settle till you're satisfied cause you clearly aren't, and IMHO, asking for other's thoughts on what bothers you can be counter-productive on some picky stuff. Honestly, follow your "big smart brain". All I can share is my experience.

Best of lucks 🙂

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

Without wanting to start a battle here, I am extremely sensitive to sounds, spotting on high/low frequencies at low dB range, checked with Physicians, but maybe you're superior as you mention, so who knows 😂

I tried your exact same steps, not only pausing but muting as you said yesterday, and no, I didn't hear anything at all but dead silence, not even electronic sound/hum/buzz of any kind, so maybe you're more sensitive than me or both machines present same hiss.

Btw, as you mention "speakers don't make noise but the vents do", static air pressure changes from open ambient to a closed one, those vents can interfere cause they're in fact, small tunnels, so the hissing can be a perception from yours when you place your ears near them. You can accomplish a similar effect by sticking your hand as a roll (or a real toilet paper roll) to your ear, you'll experience how your ambient perception/hearing is different.


At this point, I don't know what to tell you regarding the machines, you started asking for temperatures and they were not concerning, the strange "speakers/sparkling" glitch appeared but didn't happen again, a technician reviewed the guts of that machine and told you nothing was wrong, despite that, you still were not confident, told me the static was still present and to perform those tests which in my case are negative; and yet you managed to get a new unit that has the same static noise problem plus bigger ones.

So my 2 cents, you should keep the one you think it's best or don't keep any at all, and don't settle till you're satisfied cause you clearly aren't, and IMHO, asking for other's thoughts on what bothers you can be counter-productive on some picky stuff. Honestly, follow your "big smart brain". All I can share is my experience.

Best of lucks 🙂

Ahaha I was actually kidding .I'm simply hypersensitive,but that's all

I thought about what you said ,but if so,i should be hearing the noise all the time ...and i don't .i only hear if

1) music is playing and sound muted (easy to hear)

2)music is playing and sound is at level 1 or less(using increments) ,which is already harder to spot ,but still there

3)you stop the music and put you ear there.but after about 7-10 seconds it'll stop..so i don't think your theory is true ,since it should still continue even a minute after i paused it Ig..

Ahaha yep I'm a madman ,but this world od manufacturing and apple lowering tolerance doesn't help me !

I shall see.thanks and sorry for bothering u.youve been helpful all along .

Just last thing ,do u happen to have some yellow tint on your panel as well maybe ?

 

[SirKeldon]

Ahaha I was actually kidding .I'm simply hypersensitive,but that's all

I thought about what you said ,but if so,i should be hearing the noise all the time ...and i don't .i only hear if

1) music is playing and sound muted (easy to hear)

2)music is playing and sound is at level 1 or less(using increments) ,which is already harder to spot ,but still there

3)you stop the music and put you ear there.but after about 7-10 seconds it'll stop..so i don't think your theory is true ,since it should still continue even a minute after i paused it Ig..

Don't worry, no offense taken, but ty for the clarification.

The behaviour you mention is interesting and it reminds me that could be some kind of "noise gate" issue, and that device not operating correctly hence the hiss noise, but IDK how they're implemented within the Macbook Pro TBH (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_gate#Audio_noise_reduction in case you're interested)

Ahaha yep I'm a madman ,but this world od manufacturing and apple lowering tolerance doesn't help me !

I shall see.thanks and sorry for bothering u.youve been helpful all along .

Just last thing ,do u happen to have some yellow tint on your panel as well maybe ?

I'm a madman too regarding Apple devices, I know your feelings, so helping as I'd like to be helped is the less I could do. And last but not least, so sorry to tell you that no, the yellow tint is no present on my unit, but I do remember exchanging an old iPhone 4S for that reason.

Only problem with my new MBP unit, knocking on wood here, was a residue on the screen that was easily removable (another day I'd tell you the whole story) and a really small pixel-size scuff on the paint at the bottom plate, so not real problems as you're facing.

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

Don't worry, no offense taken, but ty for the clarification.

The behaviour you mention is interesting and it reminds me that could be some kind of "noise gate" issue, and that device not operating correctly hence the hiss noise, but IDK how they're implemented within the Macbook Pro TBH (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_gate#Audio_noise_reduction in case you're interested)


I'm a madman too regarding Apple devices, I know your feelings, so helping as I'd like to be helped is the less I could do. And last but not least, so sorry to tell you that no, the yellow tint is no present on my unit, but I do remember exchanging an old iPhone 4S for that reason.

Only problem with my new MBP unit, knocking on wood here, was a residue on the screen that was easily removable (another day I'd tell you the whole story) and a really small pixel-size scuff on the paint at the bottom plate, so not real problems as you're facing.

im sorry i still dont know how to quote ,ill learn it tomorrow hopefully lol (how to quote specific sentences )

oh i know u havent been offenced,it was all a joke pal 🙂

thanks for the link,im reading it !

ahah yes ,do remember to tell me about it someday . i dont rly care about cosmetic issues myself honestly,but i can understand if you do (even tho these new macs arent particularly gorgeous imho)

hmm ill see then,its so hard to make a choice ...

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

Don't worry, no offense taken, but ty for the clarification.

The behaviour you mention is interesting and it reminds me that could be some kind of "noise gate" issue, and that device not operating correctly hence the hiss noise, but IDK how they're implemented within the Macbook Pro TBH (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_gate#Audio_noise_reduction in case you're interested)


I'm a madman too regarding Apple devices, I know your feelings, so helping as I'd like to be helped is the less I could do. And last but not least, so sorry to tell you that no, the yellow tint is no present on my unit, but I do remember exchanging an old iPhone 4S for that reason.

Only problem with my new MBP unit, knocking on wood here, was a residue on the screen that was easily removable (another day I'd tell you the whole story) and a really small pixel-size scuff on the paint at the bottom plate, so not real problems as you're facing.

In case you're interested here is a thread about it ,as well as a video (speaker at low volume )

https://imgur.com/a/c1dDfNo

https://www.reddit.com/r/macbookpro/comments/qz7zfj

 

[ChpStcks]

I don't think they did anything wrong with it, one quick way to check will be if your outside shell got scratched in any way during this inspection, if that's not the case, you're with high chances that you're dealing with a careful person and interiors will be treated even with more care, so don't panic, people that runs these kind of business tend to know what they're doing.

If he just checked fans and cables, he ran the computer without the bottom plate and he could see electronics in action and saw nothing wrong, I'll be reliefed, since he really could look if anything was really toasted or malfunctioning. And also, I doubt regarding the particle theory, cause if it was there shouldn't have been propelled out that easy w/o interfering with anything else, so the technician must have spot it if that was the case.

Did you make him to hear the recording of the sound before the inspection? Maybe he can offer you more insights than me.

Summary:

1. I think you really encountered a glitch but it's a strange one, I must admit.
2. A technician saw your computer guts and saw nothing wrong about it.
3. I'll continue to use the laptop for a few more days and check, if you encounter this problem again, definitely go to Apple and ask for solutions.
4. If you're not satisfied or you're afraid that this can escalate to other issues, exchange it, cause as I stated before, I think you'll sleep better.


Didn't try to plug it in to any external monitor yet, but I could try on my 4K TV this afternoon and tell you something about it, but those temps are really high, I just spiked those ones on the hardest multi-core benchmarks, of course mine is M1 Pro 14" 10CPU/16GPU, so not exactly same conditions.

Anything in the background eating CPU? I experienced WindowServer issues (due to playing some videos w/Firefox to be more precise) where a core gets permanently stuck at 100% and leading to 50-55ºC constant w/o even doing anything, only solution was to reboot. Check your processes when you hook-up the monitor and/or watching youtube and see if anything abnormal is happening, if not, I'll contact Apple and explain them the issue.

edit: spelling

Nothing crazy I have notes open, Firefox, and a VDI. I literally just watched / showed someone a 2 minute video on youtube (Instagram Husbands, if you haven't seen it) and temps spiked 50%

 

[SirKeldon]

Nothing crazy I have notes open, Firefox, and a VDI. I literally just watched / showed someone a 2 minute video on youtube (Instagram Husbands, if you haven't seen it) and temps spiked 50% View attachment 1932309

IMHO, watching your palm rests and SSD, your ambient is ok, so those high temps on the SoC don't seem normal, can you share an activity monitor screenshot of CPU tab & memory tab ordered by percentage?

The issue I was facing for WindowServer was precisely, watching youtube videos on Firefox as mentioned, check if your WindowServer is eating 100% CPU and/or if eating a lot of memory. Try a reboot in positive case and watch the same video in Safari, see if it persists.

IDK regarding the VDI (you mean Virtual Desktop Interface right?) but sharing screen can be quite CPU-consuming, but even that, temps still seem high for that.

PS: I did test hooking the MBP to an external 4K monitor and the temps remained normal (video was played on Safari though) you can check results in previous posts.

 

[SirKeldon]

In case you're interested here is a thread about it ,as well as a video (speaker at low volume )

https://imgur.com/a/c1dDfNo

https://www.reddit.com/r/macbookpro/comments/qz7zfj

I can hear the hiss but no crackling, though I had to raise my headphones nearly to 100%, IDK what is created by the machine, and what is created by the ambient that also the microphone is recording.

Definitely mine is not doing it, but I remeber returning a guitar amp for a similar issue, hissing was present and it was more audible than music notes on low volumes, it was a pain. That's why I guessed with the "noise-gate" issue.

So TBH, as spoken before and how sensitive with sounds I am, if I had that problem on the MBP and I could hear it I would return it, it would be annoying and disturbing as a dead-pixel, once you find it, you can do anything but to focus on that.

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

I can hear the hiss but no crackling, though I had to raise my headphones nearly to 100%, IDK what is created by the machine, and what is created by the ambient that also the microphone is recording.

Definitely mine is not doing it, but I remeber returning a guitar amp for a similar issue, hissing was present and it was more audible than music notes on low volumes, it was a pain. That's why I guessed with the "noise-gate" issue.

So TBH, as spoken before and how sensitive with sounds I am, if I had that problem on the MBP and I could hear it I would return it, it would be annoying and disturbing as a dead-pixel, once you find it, you can do anything but to focus on that.

What are you talking about when u say "the microphone is recording " .why is it ? What for ? How do u know it is

Dang,so many issues are possible tho,from worse keyboard to dead pixel,bad colors ,hinge issue ,performance ,heat ,response times ...that never ends

I'm returning the second one btw (cuz of the white being yellow ) its actually yellow even on gray etc ,like on this page for example

 

[SirKeldon]

What are you talking about when u say "the microphone is recording " .why is it ? What for ? How do u know it is

Cause ambient microphones usually record ambient static and results as noise when played, some frequencies you won't listen that hard, the mic is able to catch them and the final signal is kinda "amplified" for those resulting in white noise/hiss on the background, you can hear this on a call when someone is using in-hand mic and switches to hands-free, or when you record directly some footage from the TV with the cellphone and then you listen to it.

And my suspicion is that video was recorded with the cellphone and using the ambient microphone in a non anechoic chamber, so clearly that hiss could be "contaminated", but as The Dude will say, you know, that's just my opinion 😀

Dang,so many issues are possible tho,from worse keyboard to dead pixel,bad colors ,hinge issue ,performance ,heat ,response times ...that never ends

I'm returning the second one btw (cuz of the white being yellow ) its actually yellow even on gray etc ,like on this page for example

Are you keeping the first one that you had with his "guts" open then? Or you had to return it previously as well?

Can't figure right now how many MBPs you have 🤣

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

Cause ambient microphones usually record ambient static and results as noise when played, some frequencies you won't listen that hard, the mic is able to catch them and the final signal is kinda "amplified" for those resulting in white noise/hiss on the background, you can hear this on a call when someone is using in-hand mic and switches to hands-free, or when you record directly some footage from the TV with the cellphone and then you listen to it.

And my suspicion is that video was recorded with the cellphone and using the ambient microphone in a non anechoic chamber, so clearly that hiss could be "contaminated", but as The Dude will say, you know, that's just my opinion 😀


Are you keeping the first one that you had with his "guts" open then? Or you had to return it previously as well?

Can't figure right now how many MBPs you have 🤣

gotcha

lol i have two ,keeping the one with guts open even tho its kb is worse imo(worse than the second one i received that has yellow tint) ,and it looks less fluid...cuz second one is rly yellowish.seen i could use accessilbity to change whitepoint but aint sure i wouldnt have to recalibrate the whole display then...

and no i hadnt returned the first one

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

Cause ambient microphones usually record ambient static and results as noise when played, some frequencies you won't listen that hard, the mic is able to catch them and the final signal is kinda "amplified" for those resulting in white noise/hiss on the background, you can hear this on a call when someone is using in-hand mic and switches to hands-free, or when you record directly some footage from the TV with the cellphone and then you listen to it.

And my suspicion is that video was recorded with the cellphone and using the ambient microphone in a non anechoic chamber, so clearly that hiss could be "contaminated", but as The Dude will say, you know, that's just my opinion 😀


Are you keeping the first one that you had with his "guts" open then? Or you had to return it previously as well?

Can't figure right now how many MBPs you have 🤣

oh btw since im about to return it and dont care about my data as im gonna delete it conmpletely,is there anything i should try,or anything you'd want me to try? installing a particualr software,chaning some complicated setttings,typing a non-reversable command in terminal ,anything ?

 

[ChpStcks]

IMHO, watching your palm rests and SSD, your ambient is ok, so those high temps on the SoC don't seem normal, can you share an activity monitor screenshot of CPU tab & memory tab ordered by percentage?

The issue I was facing for WindowServer was precisely, watching youtube videos on Firefox as mentioned, check if your WindowServer is eating 100% CPU and/or if eating a lot of memory. Try a reboot in positive case and watch the same video in Safari, see if it persists.

IDK regarding the VDI (you mean Virtual Desktop Interface right?) but sharing screen can be quite CPU-consuming, but even that, temps still seem high for that.

PS: I did test hooking the MBP to an external 4K monitor and the temps remained normal (video was played on Safari though) you can check results in previous posts.

Hmm looks like Firefox may be the issue? I played the exact same video through and Safari did increase temps but only to around 58C, closed Safari and played the same exact video again in Firefox and sure enough it jumped back up to 74C+ (all same apps in background)

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

Hmm looks like Firefox may be the issue? I played the exact same video through and Safari did increase temps but only to around 58C, closed Safari and played the same exact video again in Firefox and sure enough it jumped back up to 74C+ (all same apps in background)

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How much CPU and GPU does Firefox use vs safari? Istats menu can tell u that

Looks clear to me that Firefox is the issue lol

Try with chrome too btw,best browser for YouTube imo,much smoother than safari

58° is a bit hot but you have a max....i don't think 58 is concerning .

Try booting into safe mode and opening istats menu only +chrome with YouTube video and report temps


Btw since when does istats support m1pro?

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

Windows server usage seems quite high as well bud

 

[SirKeldon]

oh btw since im about to return it and dont care about my data as im gonna delete it conmpletely,is there anything i should try,or anything you'd want me to try? installing a particualr software,chaning some complicated setttings,typing a non-reversable command in terminal ,anything ?

I don't recall anything else you could try, you're returning the yellow-tint one and keeping the first one right?

Hmm looks like Firefox may be the issue? I played the exact same video through and Safari did increase temps but only to around 58C, closed Safari and played the same exact video again in Firefox and sure enough it jumped back up to 74C+ (all same apps in background)

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Firefox has a declared (and open) issue regarding this: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1738926 and ppl is still having the problem on 12.1 as I experienced the other day and possibly yours too, happened to me with 12.0 and 12.0.1 as well. It is most likely created due to some issues w/ProMotion and high refresh display.

On Chrome there are also cases of some users complaining:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MacOSBeta/comments/radbeg

(can't find more links but I remember reading them)

And if you surf around, you can find a lot of people complaining of high WindowServer usage when using external monitors as well, on Big Sur and also on Monterey, so I think in your case both factors can be active at the same time, hence the high temps even on Safari. I see your memory percentages, but not CPU, my guess is if WindowServer is eating that much memory, CPU usage should be high as well.

Hope they mature Monterey enough on 12.2/12.3 and we're not facing so many issues on "normal use"

One last test I ask you, shutdown/reboot your machine, cause once WindowServer starts to eat CPU/RAM only way to stop is by reboot or killing WindowServer process which restarts the Finder too, then let it cool so temps start flat as shown, and in that moment, w/o connecting it to the external monitor, make the test playing same video with Safari, check Activity Monitor, do it on Firefox, and see if it creates again same issue, cause for me it wasn't 100% consistent to make the bug to appear.

Best of lucks!

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

I don't recall anything else you could try, you're returning the yellow-tint one and keeping the first one right?


Firefox has a declared (and open) issue regarding this: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1738926 and ppl is still having the problem on 12.1 as I experienced the other day and possibly yours too, happened to me with 12.0 and 12.0.1 as well. It is most likely created due to some issues w/ProMotion and high refresh display.

On Chrome there are also cases of some users complaining:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MacOSBeta/comments/radbeg

(can't find more links but I remember reading them)

And if you surf around, you can find a lot of people complaining of high WindowServer usage when using external monitors as well, on Big Sur and also on Monterey, so I think in your case both factors can be active at the same time, hence the high temps even on Safari. I see your memory percentages, but not CPU, my guess is if WindowServer is eating that much memory, CPU usage should be high as well.

Hope they mature Monterey enough on 12.2/12.3 and we're not facing so many issues on "normal use"

One last test I ask you, shutdown/reboot your machine, cause once WindowServer starts to eat CPU/RAM only way to stop is by reboot or killing WindowServer process which restarts the Finder too, then let it cool so temps start flat as shown, and in that moment, w/o connecting it to the external monitor, make the test playing same video with Safari, check Activity Monitor, do it on Firefox, and see if it creates again same issue, cause for me it wasn't 100% consistent to make the bug to appear.

Best of lucks!

Returning the yellow (returned it 4 hours ago actually)

Nah just wanted to know if you were interested to have something tested on my machine ,something that you wouldn't dare experimenting on your work device

 

[SirKeldon]

Returning the yellow (returned it 4 hours ago actually)

Nah just wanted to know if you were interested to have something tested on my machine ,something that you wouldn't dare experimenting on your work device

Oh, it's not my work device, at least not yet (I wish the company I work for made the investment for these kind of machines, unfortunately, they aren't going to do it in the next months) ... but I always want a laptop that can act as a work-replacement device in case I'm outta home or the main machine fails. And my personal MBP 2010 clearly needed a refresh. (I had a MBP 13" M1 2020 but after releasing those ... that one finished with my GF and I got the MBP 14", couldn't resist lol)

Btw, I started a "return" process myself for a thing that was apparently a screen-coating defect, but at the end it wasn't (long story, but in case you're interested 1, 2 & 3) ... so as my replacement was approved I also profited to test all the "wrong" things most people was complaining about (battery, mushy keys, scratches, not charging when it was off, trackpad issues) but nothing was malfunctioning, quite the opposite, so, after resolving the "defect" issue, I decided not to push my luck, cancel the replcament and keep my own.

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

Oh, it's not my work device, at least not yet (I wish the company I work for made the investment for these kind of machines, unfortunately, they aren't going to do it in the next months) ... but I always want a laptop that can act as a work-replacement device in case I'm outta home or the main machine fails. And my personal MBP 2010 clearly needed a refresh. (I had a MBP 13" M1 2020 but after releasing those ... that one finished with my GF and I got the MBP 14", couldn't resist lol)

Btw, I started a "return" process myself for a thing that was apparently a screen-coating defect, but at the end it wasn't (long story, but in case you're interested 1, 2 & 3) ... so as my replacement was approved I also profited to test all the "wrong" things most people was complaining about (battery, mushy keys, scratches, not charging when it was off, trackpad issues) but nothing was malfunctioning, quite the opposite, so, after resolving the "defect" issue, I decided not to push my luck, cancel the replcament and keep my own.

i see ,thats what u told me about the oter day innit ?

whats up with the trackpad? i dont find thread about it but i can telll my trackpad behaves quite poorly /not refreshing werll sometimes.have a link to it ?

 

[SirKeldon]

i see ,thats what u told me about the oter day innit ?

whats up with the trackpad? i dont find thread about it but i can telll my trackpad behaves quite poorly /not refreshing werll sometimes.have a link to it ?

Correct, it was quite a long story as you saw hahahaha

The trackpad had some issues not registering some clicks/taps but it was mainly due to software issues. If you surf around and serch "trackpad not registering clicks" you will get links really quick.

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

Correct, it was quite a long story as you saw hahahaha

The trackpad had some issues not registering some clicks/taps but it was mainly due to software issues. If you surf around and serch "trackpad not registering clicks" you will get links really quick.

about your story,it would seem that using something else than apple cloth is perfectly fine right? 20dollars for a ****ing cloth,apple rly are bastards

ah this,ye i know about it