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MBP 16 10th gen refresh
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I think it will be hard to justify spending several thousands considering the likely minimal performance improvements and no serious advantages in terms of power efficiencies of 10th vs 9th gen intels, in addition to the move to arm.
I mean I guess I see the point in buying a new intel mac now if the price "is right" (I bought one myself), but the value proposition worsens quickly for more expensive macs.
2019 16ins will depreciate which will make them a much better value imo.
I mean I guess I see the point in buying a new intel mac now if the price "is right" (I bought one myself), but the value proposition worsens quickly for more expensive macs.
2019 16ins will depreciate which will make them a much better value imo.
Not worth it for Apple imo. The 16 already has the magic keyboard and the processor spec bump is so minor. And they just bumped the dgpu on the 16. Just not worth it if I’m Apple.
Apple Confirms Stunning New MacBook Pro Details
What they can choose is whether to pick up the 16-inch MacBook Pro now, or later. The current 16-inch MacBook Pro is the last new MacBook to not offer one of Intel’s tenth-generation CPUs - both the MacBook Air and the MacBook Pro were refreshed to Intel’s current tech in the first half of this year. An update to the 16-inch machine from its current ninth-generation chipset is surely on the horizon.
Perhaps Tim Cook is holding back on that powerful update to showcase at the same time as the first ARM-powered MacBook Pro goes on sale to consumers during Q4 2020.
Apple Confirms Stunning New MacBook Pro Details
As Apple focuses on its environmental impact and reducing the company’s carbon footprint, the MacBook Pro will lead the charge as part of a stunning commitment from Tim Cook and his team.
www.forbes.com
I really doubt we'll see a 10th gen refresh for the 16 inch MBP. Since it seems Apple has no plans for wifi 6 on Intel MBPs, then a 10th gen update would be a small speed bump, slightly faster CPU, slightly faster RAM, no LPDDR4 just regular DDR4, still stuck on 14nm. Hardly anyone would notice.
13" MBP (4 port version) and MBA went from 14nm 8th gen chips running on LPDDR3 memory over to LPDDR4X memory and 10nm 10th gen chips, yielding some nice improvements.
13" MBP (4 port version) and MBA went from 14nm 8th gen chips running on LPDDR3 memory over to LPDDR4X memory and 10nm 10th gen chips, yielding some nice improvements.
For someone like me who's on the look out for a new MBP, as a coder, even if it was for a few small hardware updates, it's completely worth it.
If the consensus though is that there won't be an update this year, I will order the current 16".
If the consensus though is that there won't be an update this year, I will order the current 16".
My opinion is that it’s worth waiting until September keynote.
That's what I'm doing. I have this mid-2015 15" that still works great though (just the battery is showing age) so not sure what I'll do after that.
Not yet. The September event is a given though, as iPhones are updated like clockwork, and the watches have been too so far.
Probably, but I do believe they have done stealth refreshes of Macs around that time. We are in a strange time with ARM being announced so who knows.
To get this straight (assuming we have no idea if Apple will cut off intel updates before the end of the 2 year transition), the next 16” could have a 10th gen 14nm Comet Lake or 11th gen 10nm Tiger Lake? And I read that a 11th gen 14nm Rocket Lake-H will replace comet lake this year. Are these all technically options for a future 16” MacBook Pro between now and say next spring, depending on how long Apple waits?
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I have no inside information. Base on reading news reports and observing Apple's behavior since 1984, I suspect something as you describe.
Currently the smaller MBP has a newer processor, the larger better everything else. Intel is notoriously behind schedule on processor development. Intel says they have a big announcement on September 2. Maybe Intel is finally releasing the processor Apple wants for its larger MBP.
It seems many people, including myself, would like to get a new Intel-based MBP to tide us over through the first few generations of Apple Silicon MBPs. A newly released processor in the last MPB would meet that need, and create a product which continues to be viable long after the processor transition begins.
Features of the larger MBP make it competitive even with a processor a generation older than the smaller MPB. With a processor a generation newer, plus probably other improved parts such as graphics and networking hardware, the larger MBP could become a top selling product.
Let's see if Apple has an announcement coordinated with Intel's September 2 announcement.
Currently the smaller MBP has a newer processor, the larger better everything else. Intel is notoriously behind schedule on processor development. Intel says they have a big announcement on September 2. Maybe Intel is finally releasing the processor Apple wants for its larger MBP.
It seems many people, including myself, would like to get a new Intel-based MBP to tide us over through the first few generations of Apple Silicon MBPs. A newly released processor in the last MPB would meet that need, and create a product which continues to be viable long after the processor transition begins.
Features of the larger MBP make it competitive even with a processor a generation older than the smaller MPB. With a processor a generation newer, plus probably other improved parts such as graphics and networking hardware, the larger MBP could become a top selling product.
Let's see if Apple has an announcement coordinated with Intel's September 2 announcement.
I’m of two minds on the idea of Apple updating the 16” MBP the same week intel announces the new processors.
One scenario is, it shows Apple supporting intel and their chips to ease intel-favoring Apple fans about the possibility of new intel-based MBPs.
Another scenario is, it would be seen as a lack of confidence in Apple Silicon by Apple, so any intel-based laptop announcements will wait until well after intel’s announcement.
Guess we’ll see what happens between now and year end.
One scenario is, it shows Apple supporting intel and their chips to ease intel-favoring Apple fans about the possibility of new intel-based MBPs.
Another scenario is, it would be seen as a lack of confidence in Apple Silicon by Apple, so any intel-based laptop announcements will wait until well after intel’s announcement.
Guess we’ll see what happens between now and year end.
Users of the large MBP are by and large professionals who need hardware which performs near state of the art levels. The current MBP is a little aged. As discussed many places, anyone in their right mind is at least a little apprehensive about the first iteration of Apple Silicon. A MBP with a processor newly released by Intel, with associated new chip sets, would be a more than incremental step up in known, reliable technology. Professional users of large MBPs could buy now with relative confidence. This would express not so much a lack of confidence, as well informed rational caution.
In the past Apple has often announced new products more or less in sync with product announcements from Intel, with the new product available varying times later. Neither Apple nor Intel want to announce a new product which steals the thunder of the other company's new product, so the announcements are coordinated. Intel has to ship the new parts in volume before Apple can assemble them into its new products.
My guess is Apple will announce a new MBP about the same time as Intel reveals its "interesting surprise" on September 2, with availability to follow somewhat later, maybe the middle of October.
As noted in the MacRumors Buying Guide, right now is a time to be cautions about buying a new MBP.
In the past Apple has often announced new products more or less in sync with product announcements from Intel, with the new product available varying times later. Neither Apple nor Intel want to announce a new product which steals the thunder of the other company's new product, so the announcements are coordinated. Intel has to ship the new parts in volume before Apple can assemble them into its new products.
My guess is Apple will announce a new MBP about the same time as Intel reveals its "interesting surprise" on September 2, with availability to follow somewhat later, maybe the middle of October.
As noted in the MacRumors Buying Guide, right now is a time to be cautions about buying a new MBP.
They only mention a 4 core variant. they mention the cache being 3mb per core with a total of 12mb. Current rumors is that tiger lake-h 6 and 8 core variants that mbp 16 use, will come later. The chips in that article would’ve powered mbp 13 if apple wasn’t going arm
You will likely lose 1 year of long-term macOS support with the 2019 model vs. the 2020 model. However, this is only an issue if you keep your laptops a very long time.
That'll be an easy dosdude installer hack as the 10th gen isn't bringing anything really new to the cpu/gpu table.
Biggest hindrance to running newer versions of macOS for older Apple hardware is artificial reasons. Both 2019/2020 will likely be cut off at the same time when Apple decides to stop including x86 support in future versions of macOS.