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MBP 16 10th gen refresh
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I have a 2019 16" think that will be last Intel MBP. I can't see upgrading to the Intel 10 gen processor with Apple Silicon chips in the next year or two.
There is no intel 45w 10th gen chip yet, so prob not. Tiger lake is really only available for the 13" model so far.
Which means...either we get an intel model in Spring 2021? Or maybe by then the Apple A__ chip will be ready.
Could come later.
I'm of the belief that both the iMac (possibly with a semi-custom Comet Lake S CPU) and the MacBook Pro (2021?) may get another Intel update, since they are the bread and butter of the "pro" Mac market. ie. Way more pros run these machines than the Mac Pro and iMac Pro. Some of them need their Intel-based workflows for the time being, so perhaps Apple will throw them a bone and give them one more Intel hurrah in 2020/2021. On a 3-year update cycle, that would bring them to 2023-2024, and by that time the Arm migration would be complete and quite mature.
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yeah I have already decided I am not upgrading to AS anytime soon on work computers due to needing stable professional apps that I know will work, plus the need for boot camp.
Happy to get a AS air or something to play with, but no way for my computers that earn me money. I am sure there are many professionals thinking the same thing.
Having said that, I mentioned the transition to a business owner the other day [who are all mac based] and she had no idea whatsoever about any of it as they simply don’t care about ‘tech’. they will be in for some fun times.
yeah I have already decided I am not upgrading to AS anytime soon on work computers due to needing stable professional apps that I know will work, plus the need for boot camp.
Happy to get a AS air or something to play with, but no way for my computers that earn me money. I am sure there are many professionals thinking the same thing.
Having said that, I mentioned the transition to a business owner the other day [who are all mac based] and she had no idea whatsoever about any of it as they simply don’t care about ‘tech’. they will be in for some fun times.
I agree, I use my intel MBP for work, and with my income on the line, I’m in zero rush to transition to arm. I‘ll do so when I absolutely have to, or when the hardware and software is tried and true, like it is now. Not to mention the developers for my work software will likely drag their feet. I need the intel 16” MBP to be updated as far into the future as possible.
Maybe get a new battery for it? Don't the 2015 15" have some sort of battery-related recall anyway?
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Yeah mine doesn't fit the serial number range (thankfully). May do the battery at some point just not excited about being without it for 1-2 weeks. but guess it beats paying 2k+ for a new one.Maybe get a new battery for it? Don't the 2015 15" have some sort of battery-related recall anyway?
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If there is an update...ill be pissed cus I just bought one. I do think their might be one seeing the price cuts on amazon and other retail sites. The real question is will they fix the heat/fan issues if they do a refresh.
Not sure Apple is just going to freeze all hardware until their chips are ready for prime time. It could be over a year before we see an Arm based 16" MBP. Tim did say there are lots of intel machines already in the pipeline. The switch to ARM is not really a thing to general consumers, only to us nerds. I'm hoping for a new intel machine as I need windows support still. Time will tell.
There has to be at least one more update to the intel 16”. It’s the bread and butter of too many professionals, many of whom will need to update their machines at some point during Apple’s transition, but won’t be ready to transition their own systems to arm for several more years. Apple would be leaving too many of them out to dry (and likely cause many in certain situations to lose money) if they assure people that new intel machines will be released during the transition, and then not release a mainstay work machine like the 16” (not to mention the last update didn’t even update the cpu but reused the old one). With work on the line, they need to make the last update absolutely unambiguous if not announce it explicitly.
It just depends on timing. Intel literally has no 45w chip for the 16" available right now (at least to public knowledge). If a tiger lake 45w equivalent doesn't arrive until mid-2021 by then ARM might be ready to go.
Well, Intel has no Comet Lake S 95 W for the iMac either, yet there is a leak of one out there already. It's always possible the leak could be fake, but it is also possible it is true.
There are several examples of Intel CPUs that have been semi-custom made for Apple. That said, I'm not expecting an immediate release for the 16" Intel refresh either. I'm thinking Q4 2020 or Q1 2021.
September event is mostly iPhone and Apple watch. I have never seen them update those in that time of the event. Maybe we will see in October.
Maybe Tiger Lake is coming to the 16" soon - not unreasonable for Intel to get apple the very first batch of CPUs. Maybe I'm just hoping.
Kuo Ming Chi already said end of this year to early next year, and if anything he tends to be early in his predictions (probably because he's looking at it from the supply side, not the retail sales side).
Hmm, according to Intel the i9-10885H is 45W and it is currently available on the XPS 15.
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I respectfully disagree, wifi-6 is not the only improvement.
for the i9, max clock is 5.3 Ghz and DDR4-2933 vs 5.0 Ghz and DRR4-2666 on the 9th gen
for the i7, there is an 8-core option on the 10th gen. and a bump to 5.1 Ghz compared to 6-core 4.6 GHz 9th gen
also support for DDR4-2933 vs 2666
all these bumps will add up for the power user
I would wait till October to see if there is a refresh with 10th gen for the 16", maybe there will be a 5700M GPU upgrade as well
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That's another 14++++++nm Skylake rehash unfortunately. We're talking about true 10nm Tiger Lake chips. There's not even any 45 watt ice lake chips.
My reply was to the availability of 10th gen. 45 Watt chips, not 10nm chips ... @nquinn said "There is no intel 45w 10th gen chip yet, so prob not."
My feeling is that Apple won't add 11th Gen, 10th will be the last of the Intel chips in their line up before going to ARM.
MBP 16" and iMacs to get the 10th gen then it will be ARM after that. Their roadmap would have been to refresh all computers to 10th gen which is likely where the "we still have Intel in the pipeline" is coming from.
The 10th gen chips are known quantity in pretty much all 2020 laptops, so this is why I think we will see a MBP 16" 10th gen refresh towards the end of the year. Maybe they will also address the issues with the GPU and external monitor heat too.
MBP 16" and iMacs to get the 10th gen then it will be ARM after that. Their roadmap would have been to refresh all computers to 10th gen which is likely where the "we still have Intel in the pipeline" is coming from.
The 10th gen chips are known quantity in pretty much all 2020 laptops, so this is why I think we will see a MBP 16" 10th gen refresh towards the end of the year. Maybe they will also address the issues with the GPU and external monitor heat too.
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Well on the flip side, the 10th gen i9 has been available for sometime now - if they didn't update it along with the 5600 then they might skip it and go right to tiger lake in the fall. This is what I'm hoping for.
It’s not a matter of arm being ready to go. A 16” arm mbp could be ready to go now, but many businesses aren’t anywhere near ready to make the switch. Who knows how long specialized software will take to be transitioned, on top of which there needs to be a long testing period to make sure all the kinks are worked out. Because businesses can’t afford to take unnecessary risks and because of slow niche developers, it could take much longer than the official two year transition. Two years is a fair warning to get as up-to-date hardware as possible to mitigate the transition. But if Apple doesn’t update the 16” intel mbp during the two years, then its last update happened BEFORE the announcement, making the announcement not a warning but a surprise switch.
My VPN software often wouldn't get updated for about 6 months or so after the official macOS release (so not until the following year), and then my workplace would update their IT system to use that a year or so later.
So in my scenario it could be a couple of years before it made sense to switch, or possibly even longer for a architecture change.
In my case it doesn't matter though, since I'm on 2017 Macs, and I'll be keeping them until around 2025 or whatever.
I don’t make the decisions for my work, but my educated guess is the transition will take us a good 5-6 years. I’m sure some of our people will be ok with their current hardware throughout that time. But invariably there are people who do/will need to update between now and the next year or two, and they‘re not going to want to be forced to spend thousands on a laptop from 2019 with an even older chip.
The only way I see Apple not updating the intel 16” is if they discount it significantly instead. But I don’t see Apple wanting to do that, and it will also make many people unhappy who would rather have updated specs to ensure that they can continue working for the long haul.
It just occurred to me that many people seem to think of the two year transition as how long it will take for arm Macs to replace intel Macs in the world. That is not the case. Intel Macs will likely still be the majority at the end of the two years, at least in the business world, and will continue to be ubiquitous for years after that. This is why Apple said they will support intel Macs for “years to come”, which is the true real world transition. Apple’s two year transition is simply how long they will continue to sell new intel Macs, so that people/businesses can have the hardware they need during the real world transition time, which my guess will be the better part of a decade.
I know many of us here are tech enthusiasts and are eager for the transition, but most of the world is not in the same mindset, and they are ones who fill Apple’s coffers.
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When was the last time the 16” was refreshed or updated? Current version is the 9 gen right? Where the 13” is 10 gen?