MBP 2010 : Where's the bluray option?

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  1. Garrus macrumors member

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    Seriously, what was their idea of not including a bluray player or even better a bluray burner option? :(
     
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  3. Hmac macrumors 68020

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    Why in the world would you think there might be a BluRay option?
     
  4. eawmp1 macrumors 601

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    To the bank: unless Blu-Ray fully replaces DVD's and sell as many/year as DVD in heyday, Apple will NEVER have Blu-Ray as an upgrade option in ANY Mac. They are buying time until downloadable kills optical media.
     
  5. waloshin macrumors 68040

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    There new to the site?
     
  6. waywardsage macrumors 6502

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    Last i checked, most ISP's are imposing Data caps. And downloading movies=downloading a lot of data.

    Also, what happens when your hard drive dies? Where do all those precious movies you downloaded go? Oh you "backed them up to your time machine drive"? What happens when that dies? It would be an endless cycle.

    Still ridiculous that apple doesn't offer the option. I could understand it not coming as standard. But it should be an option for those who want to spend the extra cash for it.
     
  7. Quetsche macrumors member

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    If your hard drive dies, you can redownload them (like you can redownload an app you bought… i think)
    If your blu ray disk gets scratched however, you're f****d, and can only buy it again.
     
  8. UKBeast macrumors 6502

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    Optical media is not safe, cds dvds or blu rays are being corrupted in time.

    * They are wasting your space in your cupboard
    * It is not easy to find what you are looking for when you have hundreds of CDs
    * It is taking long time to burn them

    THEY ARE TOTALLY TIME WASTERS !

    There is no point to buy a blu ray drive when there are cheap 1TB - 2TB external hard drives..

    Even I do not want a dvd drive in my macbook pro, if it was optional to get a macbook pro without a dvd drive, that would be my choice
     
  9. chaosbunny macrumors 68000

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    Well, THAT argument goes for both sides. What happens if your disc gets scratched? Where does that precious HD quality movie go? And if your DVD/Bluray shelf is knocked over by your pet/child/whatever that could happen to a lot of disks.

    Apart from that, I'm all for more options and certainly would pay extra for a bluray drive. I still buy CDs and not mp3s for my music too.
     
  10. Chupa Chupa macrumors G5

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    Unless you want a BD drive to burn your FCP HD videos to so you can send them out or watch them on a stand-alone player.
     
  11. MacModMachine macrumors 68020

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    ever hear of a backup ?

    blurays cannot be backed up nearly as easily as a hdd can be....thats a poor argument you have....
     
  12. andrewfee macrumors 6502

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    Blu-ray adoption rates are outperforming DVD adoption rates. I would have thought the kind of consumer willing to pay a premium for Apple's computers would be the first in line to adopt a format like Blu-ray.

    I have only ever seen a Blu-ray disc damaged from someone intentionally trying to damage it.

    The anti-scratch coating they have is amazing. I had a boxset sent over from America to Europe (it was cheaper a few years back) and the discs had all come loose inside. Looking at them, you would have thought they were ruined. Gave them a wipe with a microfibre cloth and they looked like new, not a mark on them.



    So tell me, where is this magical download service that provides 25-50GB 1080p video files with high bitrates in the original aspect ratio with 5.1-7.1 lossless/uncompressed audio tracks and extra features?

    My ISP caps my connection speeds after 1.5GB of downloading per day, so it would probably take a week or more to download a single title even if such a service was available.

    How can you get access to titles that have not been released in your region yet?

    Oh, and where are the hard drives capable of storing hundreds of these files?
     
  13. M1K3YY macrumors newbie

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    i remember reading somewhere that steve jobs was more into digital media...he doesnt really believe in bluray cuz it was a big bag of fail
     
  14. barkomatic macrumors 68040

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    Because a high end MBP is well over $2000 at this point. I don't know why people seem to actually be frightened by the prospect of blu-ray on a mac. If Apple included blu-ray it doesn't suddenly mean you can't have downloadable content or that you can't use a DVD. It's just an option--an option that very clearly more people want to have.

    Steve Jobs never said that blu-ray would never be on a mac like he's flat out stated flash will never appear on an iphone/ipad. In fact, he's indicated that it *would* be included one day when more people adopt the medium. The "bag of hurt" comment has been misinterpreted to mean that he's against blu-ray which is not true.

    IMO, there will be a blu-ray option on some macs one day. However, with better technology and better prices for online content -- by the time Apple finally gets around to blu-ray you may not want it as much.
     
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    Have fun downloading a ~25 GB file over wifi. :rolleyes:
     
  17. mjoshi123 macrumors 6502

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    There is zero technical reason for not having bluray on a laptop/computer. It is pure business decision taking into account that having bluray in system costs more money to manufacturer and that means less profit. Steve Jobs is all about profit and consumers of Apple dont care about it (ironic considering fact Apple consumer touts of having latest and greatest in industry) so we will not see Bluray on Apple. If you want to enjoy bluray get a PS3 or exclusive player but dont rely on Apple to provide it in future. Even for that matter Apple doesnt provide HDMI port on their laptops. Probably Steve thinks having HDMI port will cut into Apple TV's (handful of ) userbase and Apple will not be able to sell that many Apple TV (Are there even people who buys Apple TV ? - probably it is the only product that needs to die in Apple's portfolio along with shuffle). And people who whine against disc need to atleast take a look at picture quality on bluray before throwing "bag of hurt" at it.
     
  18. neteng101 macrumors 65816

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    I don't even thing its a business decision, but more of a philosophical/ideological one, just like Flash. Apple seems hell bent to undermine Flash and Blu-ray. But there is technically no BD drive in the right form factor either to fit into the current unibodys... on older MBPs one could still get a BR drive swapped in.

    So the main motivation is ideology, but there are technical limitations it seems, as no one has even come up with an alternative that fits.
     
  19. wikoogle macrumors 6502a

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    Lol, what better prices? I purchased dozens of Blu Ray movies from Gohastings for $6 each (they were all newer movies including The Dark Knight, Casino Royale, 300, Watchmen, Forgetting Sarah Marshall and others). Show me where I can purchase HD movies for $6 on a digital download store.

    Lol, what better technology? Show me a single digital download store that offers 7.1 or even 5.1 lossless audio. Show me a single digital download store that doesn't significantly compress the video. I regularly see compression artifacts in downloadable content. They're hard to notice, but they're there. Not so for blu rays.

    And blu rays last. The coating they use on them in incredible. There's videos on youtube of people scratching the hell out of them with a brillo pad, running over them with a car, even dropping them in the laundry with their clothes, and they still ran just fine afterwards on their player.

    Digitial Downloadable content wastes space on my hard drive, they waste my bandwidth, and they take way too long to download even though I have an ISP that supposedly gives me 10 Mb/second internet, it never performs at that speed once I start using up a decent amount of bandwidth to download something.
     
  20. boostmiser macrumors member

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    I was wondering when someone would bring this up.
    I want blueray for feature movies as well as home video. I have a Canon HD camcorder (avchd) and would love to burn home movies to blueray. Jobs is a brilliant man, but sometimes he can be a stubborn son of a b1tch.

    Oh, and if you all read the thread, it says OPTION. Why wouldn't they give us the option to upgrade for a price of course? CHOICE...we should have more of it.
     
  21. Drag'nGT macrumors 68000

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    I don't get why people want the blu-ray unless they want to make a physical disc of their vacation/wedding etc... Keep it digital and play it on your TV off the hard drive. Much cheaper and it has more room. ;)

    Do people actually tote physical blu-ray discs with them when they go places? Do those same people tote CDs around instead of say an iPod or thumb drive?
     
  22. ReallyBigFeet macrumors 68030

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    1h18m total download, but instead, download to NAS, use WiFi to stream it within 3 mins of starting download. Movie finishes downloading about the same time I hit the end credits on short flicks.

    Rips to NAS are even faster.

    Its called technology.

    :rolleyes:
     
  23. Batman101 macrumors member

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    Agree, but i think right now Apple is not pleasing anyone here. The group that prefers download thinks the DVD drive is useless, and the group that want Blu-ray thinks the DVD drive is useless as well. Apple should either abandon the opitcal drive all together to put a better GPU or improve to blu-ray right now.
     
  24. andrewfee macrumors 6502

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    CDs take up around 700MB maximum, usually around half that with lossless compression.

    Blu-ray takes up 25-50 gigabytes per disc. That's a lot of storage if you have a collection of a few hundred titles, especially with the move towards SSDs which have even less storage than traditional hard drives.

    And even if you did want to store all the films on a hard drive, you would need a Blu-ray drive to rip them first!


    There is nothing even close to Blu-ray image or sound quality available for download, and moving to a download service can severely limit selection/availability. (if you are in the US this is probably less of an issue) With Blu-ray, you can order from any region that has the disc you want if it is not available in your country.

    Even if Apple or some other company were to offer Blu-ray quality downloads, I don't think the majority of people have fast enough connection speeds. If I remember correctly, the maximum bitrate on Blu-ray is somewhere around 45mbps for video and audio combined - I don't know many people with that kind of internet connection, so even streaming rather than downloading would not be possible. I seriously doubt most ISPs would be happy with you frequently downloading 50gb files at those kind of speeds too, even if you did have a suitable connection.


    The only other option would be significantly reduced quality, which is what Microsoft and Apple currently offer. Maybe you'll find it acceptable on a small notebook, but it's not on a large HDTV/Projector setup.



    I also agree with 'Batman101' - while I would prefer to have a Blu-ray drive, I would much rather see that space used for a second internal hard drive, better connectivity, a larger battery or whatever else they could come up with than a DVD drive which is all but useless to me now.
     
  25. showkati macrumors regular

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    Apple it making it clear they are going digital.
     

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