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I see it time and time again with you guys that insisted on using the 2011s for YEARS. You basically got guaranteed repairs for half a decade, yet every one of you entitled brats insists it should be more, that you should have this endless cycle of AC+, or even more ridiculous, that you're entitled to a full refund after half a decade of use on a computer.

Get a grip on reality.

I do not expect a full refund 5 years later?
I just expect APPLE to acknowledge the problem is their end, 12 weeks after a 5 year repair programme that they rolled out after numerous MBP 2011 fails.

I completely agree with you that was more than generous of apple to put in place for 5 years, unfortunately for me, MBP did not fail within the first 5 years, Just shortly after the 5th year, and just after the end of their "repair" programme.

This is the reality which I have to grip.
 
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Apple have extended their coverage more than most, equally Apple should have been forced to rectify the issue correctly, not regurgitate the same refurbished Logic Boards over and over. The design was flawed from the start with the customer taking the toll. One hopes Apple has finally learned that form over function is not the be all and end all, or maybe not...

n.b.. good to see the moderators cleaning up the rubbish, needless posts attacking members should not be tolerated be they positive or negative towards Apple.

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One hopes Apple has finally learned that form over function is not the be all and end all, or maybe not...
MBP2011 was not form over function except:

- Non-removable battery
- No DP 1.2 output
- Only 3 USB ports, perhaps

Lack of Blu Ray was stubborness
 
More in the respect of the poor cooling solution, resulting in numerous premature failures, with a half hearted fix.

The thing that killed the 2011 MBPs was not bad cooling, but the used solder material simply not being able to withstand the warming up and cooling down from every day usage over several years. If you look at the history of this you'd know that the machines didn't start breaking down in large numbers until a couple of years after release. Had it been a thermal issue then machines would have started breaking down in large numbers much earlier.

When it comes down to it, this was a wear and tear issue and outside of industrial, embedded and other applications where systems need extreme durability, electronics generally aren't extensively tested for wear and tear on non-moving components. Even if they were, discovering something like this would at the very least take several months of continuous tests to discover. The only way Apple could avoid this sort of thing completely if they extended testing to such an extent that new models would be so thoroughly tested that by the time a new model comes out all the components are at least a year old and this obviously isn't a reasonable demand to make.

I do sympathize with you, I myself had to have the logic board on my 2011 MBP replaced around the new year's holidays 2013/2014 and my insurance company had me pay a 100 euro deductible for the job as it happened just before the replacement program came into effect. Thankfully once the program came into effect I just had to call them to get the repair cost refunded to me.
 
The thing that killed the 2011 MBPs was not bad cooling, but the used solder material simply not being able to withstand the warming up and cooling down from every day usage over several years. If you look at the history of this you'd know that the machines didn't start breaking down in large numbers until a couple of years after release. Had it been a thermal issue then machines would have started breaking down in large numbers much earlier.

When it comes down to it, this was a wear and tear issue and outside of industrial, embedded and other applications where systems need extreme durability, electronics generally aren't extensively tested for wear and tear on non-moving components. Even if they were, discovering something like this would at the very least take several months of continuous tests to discover. The only way Apple could avoid this sort of thing completely if they extended testing to such an extent that new models would be so thoroughly tested that by the time a new model comes out all the components are at least a year old and this obviously isn't a reasonable demand to make.

I do sympathize with you, I myself had to have the logic board on my 2011 MBP replaced around the new year's holidays 2013/2014 and my insurance company had me pay a 100 euro deductible for the job as it happened just before the replacement program came into effect. Thankfully once the program came into effect I just had to call them to get the repair cost refunded to me.

Had Apple kept the operating temperature lower the "delta" and subsequent impact of thermal shock would have been significantly reduced. Consumer electronics running at near three figure centigrade is frankly a recipe for disaster. Apple and or it's suppliers knew the risks, yet continued to roll the dice. The non-leaded soldier was more an issue for the 2007/2008 MBP, by 2011 the implications of the same should have been well known to anyone in the design & production of electronics, such failure mechanisms are well known in the electronics industry.

Personally I looked to keep the dGPU (2011 MBP) below 75C as much as possible, also reduce the "delta" It still runs to this day, as does it's 2008 predecessor, equally needing to "baby" the notebooks to prevent dGPU failure is just another chore and consideration. Unfortunately many others did not fair so well including yourself.

FYI I have significant experience of thermal load cycling of electronic platforms, up to and exceeding 175C operating temperature. Admittedly these are hardened systems designed to withstand enormous shock loads and temperature variance. I have no experience of the testing of consumer electronics, however accelerated "wear & tear" can be easily replicated condensing months, if not years of use into a relatively short timespan.

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Had Apple kept the operating temperature lower the "delta" and subsequent impact of thermal shock would have been significantly reduced. Consumer electronics running at near three figure centigrade is frankly a recipe for disaster. Apple and or it's suppliers knew the risks, yet continued to roll the dice. The non-leaded soldier was more an issue for the 2007/2008 MBP, by 2011 the implications of the same should have been well known to anyone in the design & production of electronics, such failure mechanisms are well known in the electronics industry.

I have a feeling you're either referring to the 2007 MBP, which did get up to 90+C on the CPU for short periods under heavy stress before the fans kicked in properly, or then your definition of "close to three figure centigrade" is a pretty flexible one. Even under heavy stress the 2011 MBP didn't go much above 80C before the fans kicked in properly unless you blocked the fans (in which case you should blame yourself). Also, if it really was a screw-up entirely on Apple's side of things then the CPU should be suffering from the same sort of issues, but for some reason the CPUs have worked just fine despite using the same kind of soldering on Apple's side.

Personally I looked to keep the dGPU (2011 MBP) below 75C as much as possible, also reduce the "delta" It still runs to this day, as does it's 2008 predecessor, equally needing to "baby" the notebooks to prevent dGPU failure is just another chore and consideration. Unfortunately many others did not fair so well including yourself.

After having my 2007 machine replaced because of it suffering from the same problem I tried to avoid having my 2011 machine suffer the same fate by setting the minimum fan speed to 3000, rather than 2000, RPM but it still failed on me. If ramping up the minimum fan speed by 50% doesn't solve the problem I'd say it's safe to say this isn't a case of Apple screwing up the cooling. Specially when every company that used AMD 6000-series dGPUs suffered from this issue.

FYI I have significant experience of thermal load cycling of electronic platforms, up to and exceeding 175C operating temperature. Admittedly these are hardened systems designed to withstand enormous shock loads and temperature variance. I have no experience of the testing of consumer electronics, however accelerated "wear & tear" can be easily replicated condensing months, if not years of use into a relatively short timespan.

Translation: I don't really know what I'm talking about but I'd like to show off my knowledge on a different subject.
 
I have a feeling you're either referring to the 2007 MBP, which did get up to 90+C on the CPU for short periods under heavy stress before the fans kicked in properly, or then your definition of "close to three figure centigrade" is a pretty flexible one. Even under heavy stress the 2011 MBP didn't go much above 80C before the fans kicked in properly unless you blocked the fans (in which case you should blame yourself). Also, if it really was a screw-up entirely on Apple's side of things then the CPU should be suffering from the same sort of issues, but for some reason the CPUs have worked just fine despite using the same kind of soldering on Apple's side.

No 2011 15" MBP I used could easily hit high 90C on the dGPU, 100C on the CPU...

After having my 2007 machine replaced because of it suffering from the same problem I tried to avoid having my 2011 machine suffer the same fate by setting the minimum fan speed to 3000, rather than 2000, RPM but it still failed on me. If ramping up the minimum fan speed by 50% doesn't solve the problem I'd say it's safe to say this isn't a case of Apple screwing up the cooling. Specially when every company that used AMD 6000-series dGPUs suffered from this issue.

Well that wouldn't work in isolation, but never mind.

Translation: I don't really know what I'm talking about but I'd like to show off my knowledge on a different subject.

Not really, nor worth continuing the conversation - Translation: I just want to be an ass...

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Had Apple kept the operating temperature lower the "delta" and subsequent impact of thermal shock would have been significantly reduced. Consumer electronics running at near three figure centigrade is frankly a recipe for disaster. Apple and or it's suppliers knew the risks, yet continued to roll the dice. The non-leaded soldier was more an issue for the 2007/2008 MBP, by 2011 the implications of the same should have been well known to anyone in the design & production of electronics, such failure mechanisms are well known in the electronics industry.

Personally I looked to keep the dGPU (2011 MBP) below 75C as much as possible, also reduce the "delta" It still runs to this day, as does it's 2008 predecessor, equally needing to "baby" the notebooks to prevent dGPU failure is just another chore and consideration. Unfortunately many others did not fair so well including yourself.

FYI I have significant experience of thermal load cycling of electronic platforms, up to and exceeding 175C operating temperature. Admittedly these are hardened systems designed to withstand enormous shock loads and temperature variance. I have no experience of the testing of consumer electronics, however accelerated "wear & tear" can be easily replicated condensing months, if not years of use into a relatively short timespan.

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Is babying the things something that has widely been effective or just something you have done? I'm curious because I had never heard of this before. And you ought to be able to just disable the dGPU in MacOS and buy some time.

I ask because an organization I'm with has a 2011 that has failed once, and we do not have the money to replace when if it goes soon.
 
Is babying the things something that has widely been effective or just something you have done? I'm curious because I had never heard of this before. And you ought to be able to just disable the dGPU in MacOS and buy some time.

I ask because an organization I'm with has a 2011 that has failed once, and we do not have the money to replace when if it goes soon.

You can certainly take some steps to keep the earlier MPB's running cooler. I am not in a position to speak for the majority, equally both my 2008 & 2011 15" MBP's survived with both being used heavily in a professional environment. Please pardon the somewhat canned response;

I still have a stock 2008/2011 15" MBP in the house so feel I am reasonably well versed; key as others have stated is to keep the GPU as cool as reasonably practicable, equally much will be dependant on your usage/workflow. There are some practical things that can be done to help;

Being an owner & user of the 15" MacBook Pro forever; Over the years the 15" has frequently struggled with it`s thermals, especially when an external display is connected as the dGPU switches on by default, internal temperatures soar, equally there are some steps that can be taken to reduce the systems temperature;
  • Elevate the rear, aluminium passive coolers generally work best (I use RainDesign`s mStand & iLap)
  • Increase base fan RPM to 3K or as much as you are comfortable with (MacsFanControl or SMC Fan Control)
  • Limit the dGPU`s usage with gfxCardStatus
  • Swap out Chrome for Chrome Canary as it`s generally more optimised for OS X and will extend battery run time, reduce thermals
  • Swap out VLC for Movist as again it`s a reduced load on CPU/GPU
  • Uninstall or block Flash
  • Install an ad blocker Wipr or AdGuard works well
  • Powered coolers are very much a "mixed bag" when it comes to Mac portables, you need one that has a high capacity (100 CFM minimum) and preferably a large single fan, this can help to keep the 15" internal fans below 4K which for many is good enough as often it`s this point and beyond where the fans become intrusive. Don't expect a powered cooler impact internal temperatures, beyond a couple of degrees
  • Older notebooks can benefit from cleaning of the cooling system
  • Retina`s can benefit from cleaning of the cooling system, as the heat syncs are far smaller and loose efficiency faster, due to build up of dust
  • Replacing the thermal paste has been hit & miss, some with very positive results, some with no improvement over stock. Personally I would only do this on a Mac Portable that was either very old, or one that I can confirm was definitely running hotter than stock.
  • If your MBP has a discrete GPU, it will fire up when an external display is connected as default, temperatures will rise rapidly.
  • Consider a specific vertical stand when using a MPB in "Clamshell" mode allowing for greater circulation of air. Some recommend inverting the MBP in the stand with the exhaust at the top & intake at the bottom (Retina`s)
  • Another aspect is if running the MPB as a desktop is don't let it sleep, reducing the "Delta" reduces the wear & tear on the components that are prone to failure, this is why I believe the Early 2008 still runs, as it rarely hibernated or was shutdown. Therefore temperatures general stayed in the 60C region unless pushed. 60C to 90C+ is a lot less than ambient to 90C+ as one of the major factors of the failure mechanism is the rapid thermal expansion and contraction.
  • Also note the fix from Apple is refurbished/reworked boards, so somewhat of a lottery. Personally I would plan for the worst, hope for the best.
The key to a quiet life with a 15" MacBook Pro is several incremental changes that do add up to reduce thermals. From my experience over the years if your going to push a 15"/17" hard the fans are going to max out fast, with associated temperature & noise. If your using it with a moderate load life can be made quieter For the most part your MBP runs hot as that`s how Apple designed it, the trade off for form over, function, thin & light...

The old adage still applies; it`s easier to keep a system cool, than cool-down an already overly hot machine. This being said it`s not strictly necessary, equally it`s nice to know that there are some options for reducing temperature out there.


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My MBP 2012 (manufactured sept 2013, extended warranty until dec 2016) had the GPU-issue just one hour ago.. just for some Minutes (waking up) and works now as it should do... in both modes, with and without dGPU..

The good news: I took immediately photos of the screen and some videos of the blinking little cubes on it.... so no problem to show the issue...

Thought I´d be on the side of security because of gfx installed and MacFanControl already at about 2,800 rpm and a set of max Temp at 65°C....

IIRC the "repair" program is extended again until dec 2017, isn´t it?
 
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My MBP 2012 (manufactured sept 2013, extended warranty until dec 2016) had the GPU-issue just one hour ago.. just for some Minutes (waking up) and works now as it should do... in both modes, with and without dGPU..

The good news: I took immediately photos of the screen and some videos of the blinking little cubes on it.... so no problem to show the issue...

Thought I´d be on the side of security because of gfx installed and MacFanControl already at about 2,800 rpm and a set of max Temp at 65°C....

IIRC the "repair" program is extended again until dec 2017, isn´t it?

It may be different in Europe, but I was under the impression that the program ended on 12/31/2016 for all Macs purchased more than 4 years ago, and for all other Macs until the 4 year point is reached? So if it is the same there as it is here, your MBP should be eligible for the program until Dec 2017 (as I am guessing you purchased it in Dec 2013 based on when your warranty expired?)
 
My MBP 2012 (manufactured sept 2013, extended warranty until dec 2016) had the GPU-issue just one hour ago.. just for some Minutes (waking up) and works now as it should do... in both modes, with and without dGPU..

The good news: I took immediately photos of the screen and some videos of the blinking little cubes on it.... so no problem to show the issue...

Thought I´d be on the side of security because of gfx installed and MacFanControl already at about 2,800 rpm and a set of max Temp at 65°C....

IIRC the "repair" program is extended again until dec 2017, isn´t it?

Is this a 13" classic MBP? If so, since there is no dGPU is this covered?
 
My beloved 2011 15" MacBook pro died a few days ago due to the faulty logic board. I didn't know there was a repair program out and I missed it by a couple of months.

However in CA by law it Apple has to offer repairs for up to 6 years. I would still have to pay the $600 for the part/labor.

Thoughts?

I bought a 2016 in the interim but I'm not happy with it at all. Will probably go with a 2015. but the thought of repairing the 2011 is still there. Probably a bad idea.
 
My beloved 2011 15" MacBook pro died a few days ago due to the faulty logic board. I didn't know there was a repair program out and I missed it by a couple of months.

However in CA by law it Apple has to offer repairs for up to 6 years. I would still have to pay the $600 for the part/labor.

Thoughts?

I bought a 2016 in the interim but I'm not happy with it at all. Will probably go with a 2015. but the thought of repairing the 2011 is still there. Probably a bad idea.

Apple will only replace the failed Logic Board with a refurbished/reworked/repaired board, you are far better sourcing a 2015 MBP if the 2016 MBP is not to your need and liking. As the repaired 2011 MBP may well last several year or just a few months. Personally if I see a 2015 15" MBP at a decent price I will pick one up, if not I will switch to a Windows based solution.

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Apple will only replace the failed Logic Board with a refurbished/reworked/repaired board, you are far better sourcing a 2015 MBP if the 2016 MBP is not to your need and liking.

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Yes you are right. I guess I'm a little nostalgic. I really want to like the 2016 but its far too buggy and it seems like playing the lottery with finding a good one. I like the idea of a cheaper 2015 but don't know how future proof it'll be. Then again I ran my 2011 mbp w/ssd hard in the last couple of months and was surprised at how well it performed.
 
Yes you are right. I guess I'm a little nostalgic. I really want to like the 2016 but its far too buggy and it seems like playing the lottery with finding a good one. I like the idea of a cheaper 2015 but don't know how future proof it'll be. Then again I ran my 2011 mbp w/ssd hard in the last couple of months and was surprised at how well it performed.

As long as the dGPU is not a big issue then the 2015 will serve more than adequately. If dGPU is a big concern then there are far better options on the Windows platform as long as your good with the OS.

2016 offers little benefit for my needs, and in some respects works against me. I will reassess on the next release if Apple gets it's act together and stops making it's "Pro" computers pointlessly thinner at the cost of real world usability. Generally since the "switch" to releasing a new revision of the desktop OS annually to keep in line with iToy's, OS OS X/macOS has depreciably become ever more unstable.

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making it's "Pro" computers pointlessly thinner at the cost of real world usability

Ha, it's been thoroughly explained to you that this hasn't happened, but facts have little sway over emotion.

Generally since the "switch" to releasing a new revision of the desktop OS annually to keep in line with iToy's, OS OS X/macOS has depreciably become ever more unstable.

More bitter nonsense.
 
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I had the same problem with my mid 2012 retina.
1.) Replaced screen in 2014
2.) Happened again Feb 2017
3.) Apple replaced screen for free as it had the anti-glare issue
4.) Apple replaced the logic board for free under EU consumer protection
5.) Apple refunded me the cost for the 2014 screen replacement
All out of warranty
All without applecare
 
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