MBP TB can't play 4K h.265 files :(

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  1. iBrooker macrumors 6502

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    Is this because the GPU doesn't support it? The CPU? Or the software. Should we have waited for the Kaby Lake processors?
     
  2. fs454 macrumors 65816

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    What do you mean it can't? Have you tried to and were unsuccessful? You should be able to play them but CPU and/or GPU load will be higher than if you were playing them with a Kaby Lake machine which has builtin hardware decoding for those files.

    VLC should play them back fine if QT won't.
     
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    Just got a '15 MBP 13 Retina i5 16GB 512GB and VLC doesn't play 4K smoothly. It displays the first few frames and only plays sound after that. I was surprised. I wonder if there's a better app to play 4K video.
     
  4. iBrooker thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Same as Lamina above; very choppy or stuck on a frame with sound playing fine. Most of the time it sticks on initial (black) frame.

    h.264 4K files play fine, but most 4k files are h.265 due to better compression.
     
  5. TheRealAlex macrumors 65816

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    Whatever that threads says. Intel Says No You can not period unless you have Intel 7th Gen. Let's not misunderstand Playing a 4K YouTube video. This means UHD Premium 4K streaming because no one is gonna fill up their hard drive with a 4K UHD movie. So it has to be streamed.

    http://www.intel.com/content/dam/ww.../infographics/how-to-watch-4k-infographic.pdf

    Content providers control it they set the rules h.265 needs Intel 7th Gen no way around it its baked in. Don't even try and logic around it by using the GPU.

    What's done is done. If Steve Jobs was Alive he would have waited 2 more months and Lauched with

    Kaby Lake, DDR4 HDR 4K h.265 support and made a big deal about it. As Intel has.



    4K UHD Entertainment: Thanks to the new media engine in all 7th Gen Intel Core processors, it is possible to stream 4K UHD movies and TV shows7 on services such as Netflix* on a computer for the first time. This means that critically acclaimed titles like “The Crown” and “Stranger Things” can be watched at home or on the go in brilliant 4K on your 7th Gen Intel Core computer. With the availability of other premium content providers like Sony* Pictures ULTRA, FandangoNOW* and iQiyi* coming in 2017, your 7thGen-based PC is now a 4K theater.


    Steve Jobs would have gone on and on about how Amazing having a Full theater aka Netflix and a MacbookPro are connected to a 55" 4K TV.

    Now we get to hang our heads in shame instead.
     
  6. fs454 macrumors 65816

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    Hmm, this is actually pretty disappointing if this is going to be the standard for 4K delivery. I work with 4K XAVC-S 100mbit files all the time in Premiere, but those are 8 bit, and XAVC-S is a different animal than h265 which is brand new.

    Oh well? The new MBP is a screamer otherwise.
     
  7. Sanpete macrumors 68020

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    It's not that likely Steve Jobs would have waited for any kind of video standard. He never budged on
    Blu-ray. In any case, people are likely to figure out a way to handle the new standard if they care.
     
  8. iBrooker thread starter macrumors 6502

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    I'm beginning to feel the same. Apple seem to have lost it's way. I bet 90% of MBP buyers would have been happy to wait until March and Kaby Lake processors - I now have a £3,000 machine that can't play 4K h.265 videos!!! What a joke!!

    I am seriously considering sending it back and getting an iMac in the spring. I don't *need* a laptop until the end of next year when I go travelling - so I could just sell the iMac (and probably lose less money on it) and then pick up next years MBP model.
     
  9. BarracksSi Suspended

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    Hay guyz ---!!!

    Where can I find 4K H.265 videos?

    Are they on Youtube? Or maybe Vimeo?

    What if my cable internet is still too slow to stream 1080p without stuttering?
     
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    There's some test files here : http://jell.yfish.us

    4K HEVC requires an enormous amount of processing power. Assuming your application and OS support it, Skylake has some (hybrid CPU and GPU) acceleration and Kaby Lake expands on this.
     
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    Well, technically the newer NVIDIA Cards and also AMD Radeon Pro 460 can play 4K H.265/HEVC, but Netflix currently is only build on a Microsoft DRM Solution, which only supports it through the Intel Kaby Lake CPU+Edge Browser.

    I think to test it, you need also a Movie Player that supports the hardware acceleration.
     
  14. aevan macrumors 68000

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    Yes. I barely go outside these days. I can feel the gaze of passers by. "You don't watch Netflix in 4K on your MBP?" - their eyes cut like swords as they judge me, silently. And that scene from the Song of Ice and Fire repeats itself in my mind: Shame! Shame! Shame! Shame!


    Seriously, people, do you hear yourselves?
     
  15. anthony13 macrumors member

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    So does this mean apple needs to release a new Apple TV to watch 4K content?
     
  16. iBrooker thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Also look at the posts in this thread:

    http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/lg-ultrafine-5k-videos-to-show-off-your-display.2024097/

    Most of us have larger external displays.
     
  17. aevan macrumors 68000

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    Yes, but this has nothing to do with Kaby Lake. AppleTV is, basically, an iOS device, and the rules are quite different there - one of the few upsides to having a closed file system (yes, there are some upsides, actually) is that content providers are more happy there, the piracy protection is built in from the start. However, the AppleTV is a 1080p device and I'm sure Apple is preparing a 4K update that will come with HDMI 2.0.
     
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    Don't Kaby Lake processors have dedicated hardware decoding for h.265? This would explain. I may be wrong and would like to be corrected if so.

    Edit: Found this from PC World:
    Quite glad I held off on these new MacBook Pros. I get the feeling the next revision will be the one to go for and address a lot of user complaints. Typical Apple first-gen hardware situation.
     
  19. aevan macrumors 68000

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    And most of computers can't play Netflix 4K on them. So? You do know that even Kaby Lake MacBooks WON'T be able to play Netflix 4K because they don't run Edge on Windows 10. Blame Netflix.

    Read the early Kaby Lake reviews - it is a lazy CPU upgrade done by a company (Intel) who is enjoying the lack of competition. Almost no improvements.

    If you want to watch 4K Netflix, get a 4K TV. You don't even need a computer, because all 4K TVs come with the Netflix app built in (as far as I know). That's it. I wish I could watch it on my iMac 5K. It has a 5K screen! It would look beautiful. But I can't, because Netflix won't allow it.

    So, even if Apple waited for Kaby Lake, no, you still wouldn't be able to play Netflix. Sure, you could argue that, I dunno, Tim Cook could've negotiated with Netflix to allow it, but as you can see with Netflix being absent from the new TV app, business negotiations are not that simple. Apple has been waging war with content providers for years - and I don't find it strange that Netflix allows 4K ONLY on a Microsoft browser (or you think Chrome is not good enough for 4K?).
     
  20. GCMD macrumors regular

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    Appears to be an issue with hardware acceleration software.

    I used VLC to play the "jellyfish-200-mbps-4k-uhd-hevc-10bit" file on my tbMBP 2.7GHz / 455...

    Trick? Turn down the playback speed to the lowest setting.

    That means it CAN decode HEVC h.265 4K at 60fps...

    And my CPU usage by VLC went up to around 300-340%...not even CLOSE to maxing out all 4 cores. Not sure about the dGPU...
    --- Post Merged, Jan 8, 2017 ---
    I found the solution...Apple just has to throw a couple of these babies in the next MBP!!!!!



    All problems solved!
     
  21. iBrooker thread starter macrumors 6502

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    I don't care about Netflix, I care about (editing and) playing 4K videos encoded in h.265.
     
  22. Wildkraut macrumors 6502

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    Yep because VLC is not utilising the available GPU hardware acceleration for h.265 decoding, and the CPU doesn't support it.
     
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    IDGAF about whether anyone can edit them if I can't view them.
     
  24. aevan macrumors 68000

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    Then you're set, no need for shame and all that! Radeon 450/455/460 supports hardware encoding and decoding of h.265 4K!
     

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