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Mbp vs modern windows laptops

Samtb said:
I think it's still the case that you can buy a windows pc with better specs for a lower cost on average though.
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What do you mean better specs? You rarely find a crystalwell (iris pro) Windoze laptop and if you do it just cost just as much as a Mac and comes with abysmal and cheap build quality. Windoze laptops come with lower tier i7s. The only thing that beats it is the GPU and RAM spec.

Let's breakdown the specs so you can see that Windoze laptops will always be inferior to Mac except GPU and RAM:
CPU: Crystalwell for Macs and Haswell for Windoze. Crystalwell i7-4890HQ >Haswell i7-4910MQ except the i7-4940MX extreme series.
GPU: No doubt windoze laptops wins in this category.
RAM: 32 GB RAM Windoze laptops > 16 GB RAM
Storage: PCIE X4 is faster than all Raid0 2x SATA 6 SSD and a lot of PCIE SSDs that is installed on crappy Windoze laptops
Screen: 4K Windoze laptops have proven to be inferior in display accuracy compared to rMBP.
Trackpad: No need to explain this
WiFi: Windoze laptops don't have 3x3 802.11ac WiFi.
Battery: No need to explain this.
OS: OS X is infinitely times better than the atrocious Windoze.

For the same price as a rMBP, you only get better RAM and GPU. The rest of specs are always inferior to Mac.
 
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cbautis2 said:
What do you mean better specs? You rarely find a crystalwell (iris pro) Windoze laptop and if you do it just cost just as much as a Mac and comes with abysmal and cheap build quality. Windoze laptops come with lower tier i7s. The only thing that beats it is the GPU and RAM spec.

Let's breakdown the specs so you can see that Windoze laptops will always be inferior to Mac except GPU and RAM:
CPU: Crystalwell for Macs and Haswell for Windoze. Crystalwell i7-4890HQ >Haswell i7-4910MQ except the i7-4940MX extreme series.
GPU: No doubt windoze laptops wins in this category.
RAM: 32 GB RAM Windoze laptops > 16 GB RAM
Storage: PCIE X4 is faster than all Raid0 2x SATA 6 SSD and a lot of PCIE SSDs that is installed on crappy Windoze laptops
Screen: 4K Windoze laptops have proven to be inferior in display accuracy compared to rMBP.
Trackpad: No need to explain this
WiFi: Windoze laptops don't have 3x3 802.11ac WiFi.
Battery: No need to explain this.
OS: OS X is infinitely times better than the atrocious Windoze.

For the same price as a rMBP, you only get better RAM and GPU. The rest of specs are always inferior to Mac.
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That's your subjective opinion. My view is my subjective opinion. Specs are not that simple.
 
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It's really all about tradeoffs. If you want performance on the level of a 15" Macbook pro, you can have a machine that runs Windows that will deliver that CPU performance for under $1000 (HP Envy 15 or Dell Inspiron 15). Not everyone cares about 12 hour battery life or an aluminum chassis. Higher end HP and Dell computers are built just as well or better than any plastic Macbook that Apple made just a few years ago.

Spend more and you can get the high end body (carbon fiber or aluminum), graphics power, retina class display, and light weight, at the expense of battery life or SSD speed (HP Omen or Dell XPS 15). Even then you are still $500-1000 off the price of a Macbook Pro. Most people will (and do) choose to have that grand in their pocket.

cbautis2 said:
Let's breakdown the specs so you can see that Windoze laptops will always be inferior to Mac except GPU and RAM:...

For the same price as a rMBP, you only get better RAM and GPU. The rest of specs are always inferior to Mac.
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Why am I not surprised that someone who uses the term "Windoze" repeatedly in a childish attempt to seem superior can't even form a cogent argument using legitimate specifications?
 
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venom600 said:
If you want performance on the level of a 15" Macbook pro, you can have a machine that runs Windows that will deliver that CPU performance for under $1000 (HP Envy 15 or Dell Inspiron 15).
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This is categorically not true. Both of those laptops use 15w Intel U-series processors - these are the processors that Apple uses in their Macbook AIR line! The processors in the 15" Pro models are quad-core, 47w parts that can only be found in Windows laptops when you go into the professional workstation lines, or maybe some high-end gaming laptops. In either case, they will be just as expensive, much larger and heavier, and have a fraction of the battery life.

This is the problem with Intel's terrible processor naming scheme. People see "i5" and think the processors are all the same.
 
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zhenya said:
This is categorically not true. Both of those laptops use 15w Intel U-series processors - these are the processors that Apple uses in their Macbook AIR line! The processors in the 15" Pro models are quad-core, 47w parts that can only be found in Windows laptops when you go into the professional workstation lines, or maybe some high-end gaming laptops. In either case, they will be just as expensive, much larger and heavier, and have a fraction of the battery life.

This is the problem with Intel's terrible processor naming scheme. People see "i5" and think the processors are all the same.
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More w doesn't necessarily mean better either. Better is a subjective word.
 
Samtb said:
More w doesn't necessarily mean better either. Better is a subjective word.
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Yeah, I mean the two processors are nearly identical (MBP vs. that used in the above pc's.) He didn't say 'better' he said they had equivalent performance.

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zhenya said:
Yeah, I mean the two processors are nearly identical (MBP vs. that used in the above pc's.) He didn't say 'better' he said they had equivalent performance.

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The CPUs are not even in the same category lol. Let's try Razer Blade and as you can see, rMBP still obliterates it in CPU power despite the higher base clock.
 

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venom600 said:
It's really all about tradeoffs. If you want performance on the level of a 15" Macbook pro, you can have a machine that runs Windows that will deliver that CPU performance for under $1000 (HP Envy 15 or Dell Inspiron 15). Not everyone cares about 12 hour battery life or an aluminum chassis. Higher end HP and Dell computers are built just as well or better than any plastic Macbook that Apple made just a few years ago.

Spend more and you can get the high end body (carbon fiber or aluminum), graphics power, retina class display, and light weight, at the expense of battery life or SSD speed (HP Omen or Dell XPS 15). Even then you are still $500-1000 off the price of a Macbook Pro. Most people will (and do) choose to have that grand in their pocket.



Why am I not surprised that someone who uses the term "Windoze" repeatedly in a childish attempt to seem superior can't even form a cogent argument using legitimate specifications?
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You will never get the CPU performance of the rMBP at under $1000 less than rMBP. Show me a frigging i7-4940MX at that price. The "higher" end aluminum body and retina class of Windoze laptops are a joke compared to the quality of the rMBP. In short, above $1000, people would rather spend their money on a quality machine, quality experience and quality service such as Apple and not worry about when will their 1000 POS Windoze laptop will fail, BSOD, glitches, freezing, etc.
 
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If you are only concerned about performance, then yes Windows PCs will get you a faster computer for less money. It's not just the hardware being faster, but Windows runs on an atom processor with 1gb of ram and 16gb of storage. OSX 10.10 would probably barely boot up under those conditions. In addition to being a lighter OS, Windows also tends to have better performance in benchmarks using the same hardware. The advantage for macs is the great build quality and the advantage of OSX being designed for just a handful of parts, making it very stable. Performance/cost is firmly an advantage for Windows PCs.
 
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Freyqq said:
If you are only concerned about performance, then yes Windows PCs will get you a faster computer for less money. It's not just the hardware being faster, but Windows runs on an atom processor with 1gb of ram and 16gb of storage. OSX 10.10 would probably barely boot up under those conditions. In addition to being a lighter OS, Windows also tends to have better performance in benchmarks using the same hardware. The advantage for macs is the great build quality and the advantage of OSX being designed for just a handful of parts, making it very stable. Performance/cost is firmly an advantage for Windows PCs.
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Lighter? LOL. IMO, definition of lighter = consuming less power. Windoze consumes 20 -50 % more power than OS X due to their crappy services, crappy CPU power hungry apps and drivers, a gazillion of scheduled tasks that eat all of your CPU power regardless of your machine idling or in use. OS X never does that atrocious behavior that Windoze does. FYI, Windoze have DirectX and Direct3D, allowing better use of GPU so it'll definitely score better than OS X in that regard. However, CPU performance is the same on both.

Performance/cost is ONLY valid on Desktop category. On Mobile, for the same price as the rMBP, no stock (not modified) Windoze laptop can beat the specs of a Mac except for GPU and and RAM.
 
cbautis2 said:
Lighter? LOL. IMO, definition of lighter = consuming less power. Windoze consumes 20 -50 % more power than OS X due to their crappy services, crappy CPU power hungry apps and drivers, a gazillion of scheduled tasks that eat all of your CPU power regardless of your machine idling or in use. OS X never does that atrocious behavior that Windoze does. FYI, Windoze have DirectX and Direct3D, allowing better use of GPU so it'll definitely score better than OS X in that regard. However, CPU performance is the same on both.

Performance/cost is ONLY valid on Desktop category. On Mobile, for the same price as the rMBP, no stock (not modified) Windoze laptop can beat the specs of a Mac except for GPU and and RAM.
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You say that only comparing bootcamp mac drivers to OSX drivers. Bootcamp drivers are just barely adequate. It's clear Apple put very little time and effort into them. If you look at reviews for high-end PC laptops where they compare battery life per watt, macs are about average.

As far as task scheduling in Windows, there's actually a checkbox for only do this when you're plugged in. Most processes use it by default. So, it's not really a concern.
 
Freyqq said:
You say that only comparing bootcamp mac drivers to OSX drivers. Bootcamp drivers are just barely adequate. It's clear Apple put very little time and effort into them.
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I'd agree with that sentiment. I find the bootcamp drivers do a decent job most of the time, but when I got a PC for my wife and a SP3 for myself, I found the performance of both to be surprisingly fast.
 
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You say that only comparing bootcamp mac drivers to OSX drivers. Bootcamp drivers are just barely adequate. It's clear Apple put very little time and effort into them. If you look at reviews for high-end PC laptops where they compare battery life per watt, macs are about average.
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The Bootcamp display driver is mediocre. Not as colorful as on OSX but that could be due to how colorful OSX is in the first place but the ONE thing that really hampers the Windows experience on the MBP is the trackpad. It's like Apple did this purposely. It's so horrendous on the Windows side. Very sluggish and has a "sticky" feeling when navigating. I'd much rather use a mouse but I can get by on the trackpad if I really take notice of how much pressure I'm applying to the trackpad. I really wish it worked as well as it does on OSX.

On the power consumption, I find that the Windows Bootcamp lasts about 50-75% as long as the OSX partition on battery power.

Apart from all that, I find Windows to be a more enjoyable experience on my MPB than a Windows PC due to the lack of bloatware. It's kind of like how Android users prefer stock Android over the manufacturers brand of it. It just runs so smoothly. Never seen a "BSOD" on my Windows partition or any other weird stuff.

EDIT: I also notice on the OSX partition that the speakers sound "fuller" whereas on the Windows partition they sound "tinny."
 
Oh dear, i think I've started a Mac vs windows flame war.
 
I'll never go back to windows laptops, they're a nuisance to maintain although I haven't used one in over 3 years but I've had bad experiences with them mostly HP and Dell, as for the high end ones with the discrete 900 series Nvidia GPU they're pointless you'll basically need to carry the power cord everywhere you go.
 
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Nueve said:
I'll never go back to windows laptops, they're a nuisance to maintain although I haven't used one in over 3 years but I've had bad experiences with them mostly HP and Dell, as for the high end ones with the discrete 900 series Nvidia GPU they're pointless you'll basically need to carry the power cord everywhere you go.
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I think they are getting better though. The new dell xps looks good for example.
 
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i have both a 13" mba and a thinkpad t430s even tho the thinkpad is older. it is my baby over the mba. better keyboard the 2 stage backlite for the keyboard is better and it still has the light in bezel which is another win. also the quality of the thinkpad is way better even tho the mba looks prettier. but hey it's not a fashion contest atleast not with me. with it's waterproof keyboard in case you spill your latte on it to it's sheer ruggedness. i have dropped many of times were i know for fact that my mba would not survive but the thinkpad just keeps working. it is a true workhorse not too mention the removable battery. for thoes long trips away from home.
 
Samtb said:
That's your subjective opinion. My view is my subjective opinion. Specs are not that simple.
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Correct, people often tend to confuse their own opinions with facts. Just because someone wants something to.be true doesn't make it so.
 
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