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As a Meijer customer in Michigan, I am quite happy they have enabled Apple Pay.

I don't care what other systems they support, and frankly, it shouldn't even matter. If a Droid user wants to use his/her phone to buy their groceries, more power to them too.

This whole idea of "you have to use our e-wallet, you can't use yours"... seriously?

If you make the easiest system to use, you'll win the market. No need for "exclusivity agreements", you'll get that anyway if your technology is good.

As for me, Apple Pay is it; and now that I can make my most common purchase using that, the battle is already over in my view.
If I am reading it right, as it stands now, the stores that will use CurrentC, when it is fully active next year (if it makes it to next year), will no longer take Credit Cards and won't be allowed to take other forms of payment, such as Apple Pay or Google Wallet. I think it's cash or CurrentC at these merchants. Let's go backwards to Ma Bell, shall we?

• It's really stupid of themselves to compare to Apple Pay, this proves Apple Pay is a better, more secure system that people want.
 
If I am reading it right, as it stands now, the stores that will use CurrentC, when it is fully active next year (if it makes it to next year), will no longer take Credit Cards

You're not reading it right. There's no way they would stop accepting credit cards unless 99%+ of people start using alternate payment options. Not gonna happen anytime soon.
 
Checking out of Walgreens today, using my health savings account credit card on my iPhone 6, I wondered how will CurrentC work that account?
It can't. If benefits are tied to a payment card, Apple Pay has a clear advantage. In the same way it would be possible to use some rewards programs with Apple Pay by allowing store cards (like the Target red card) to be used with it. Of course it is up to the issuer if they want to allow that or not.
Must be important to CVS and Rite Aid, who probably take a lot of payments from HSAs.
Usually you can get expenses reimbursed from the HSA if you don't use the provided debit card. Of course it's more hassle.
 
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Also, I'm thinking this rash of bad publicity for CurrentC has probably been a good thing for MCX. Before this, nobody had ever heard of either CurrentC or MCX. Now everybody has, and we're all watching and waiting to see how it would work. I will use it if (1) it works and (2) I can control all of the various data collection settings. Being able to automatically use loyalty cards would be a big plus.
Too true on the first part, I never heard of them.

I will never use it, while they tell you it does not access your personal information in the phone, it does access it stored in their cloud when you make payments with it, so, it's basically a lie. Wording counts for everything when one is being deceitful.

Make no mistake, if they are comparing to Apple Pay, it's not going to offer the same security.

Bottom Line:
Apple Pay does not have your bank account information attached to your payments at all. Even if someone hacks the POS system you used for Apple Pay, the number they will get will not be your CC number, and they cannot do anything with it...it needs your Touch ID, but, even then, I think it's a one-time random generated number, can't be used again. Apple does not have your bank account information anywhere.

CurrentC will store your bank account information in their cloud, the account directly accesses your bank account, there are no credit card companies in between. Make a payment and they access your bank account information in their cloud when you make payments. This is why merchants like it, no credit card processing fees. But, this is insecure, a hacker could get your information if they hack the POS system or CurrentC's cloud servers, as already seen.


• "Being able to automatically use loyalty cards would be a big plus." Trussssst me. This is how they lure people in. I won't.
 
You're not reading it right. There's no way they would stop accepting credit cards unless 99%+ of people start using alternate payment options. Not gonna happen anytime soon.
You're right, the exclusivity is concerning other forms of payment such as NFC and such, but, still taking credit cards, they are just trying to get people to use it instead, save merchants CC processing fees.

"If MCX’s app caught on, partner retailers could escape tons of fees, which could directly increase their profits. Alternatively, they could use the leverage of MCX and the threat of sidestepping the processing fees to negotiate lower fees with the credit card companies. Former Walmart CEO Lee Scott reportedly once said “I don’t know that MCX will succeed, and I don’t care. As long as Visa suffers.”"
from: http://techcrunch.com/2014/10/25/currentc/

This is why the big push.

Also, I think exclusivity may have a time limit on it...they're hoping CurrentC catches on (which I hope it don't).

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This guy is an idiot. Not much of what he says makes any sense at all.
good concise read
 
Too true on the first part, I never heard of them.

I will never use it, while they tell you it does not access your personal information in the phone, it does access it stored in their cloud when you make payments with it, so, it's basically a lie. Wording counts for everything when one is being deceitful.

Make no mistake, if they are comparing to Apple Pay, it's not going to offer the same security.

Bottom Line:
Apple Pay does not have your bank account information attached to your payments at all. Even if someone hacks the POS system you used for Apple Pay, the number they will get will not be your CC number, and they cannot do anything with it...it needs your Touch ID, but, even then, I think it's a one-time random generated number, can't be used again. Apple does not have your bank account information anywhere.

CurrentC will store your bank account information in their cloud, the account directly accesses your bank account, there are no credit card companies in between. Make a payment and they access your bank account information in their cloud when you make payments. This is why merchants like it, no credit card processing fees. But, this is insecure, a hacker could get your information if they hack the POS system or CurrentC's cloud servers, as already seen.


• "Being able to automatically use loyalty cards would be a big plus." Trussssst me. This is how they lure people in. I won't.

Sadly, I already have too much of my banking information already stored in the cloud, in one form or another. I can't yet say that Apple Pay is so much better for me than CurrentC COULD be in its very best possible form. I love Apple Pay and use it every chance I get; but I'm not ruling out that CurrentC may possibly have an appeal to me.
 
Besides all the common reasons I'm against it as well; the thing that hasn't openly been pointed out yet is that CurrentC requires data/web connectivity on the phone. In my neck of the woods, there are loads of retail stores (big metal box buildings) where cellular data isn't really happening unless you stand in the front doorway. You might get a few KB of download, but upload is typically 0. So good luck with currentc at the local grocery stores, supermarket, ... trying to send/receive QR codes and authorizations from the cloud.

Some stores have implemented wifi, handy, but then you still need to be connected to that as well before you check out.
 
haha @ certain light....

That would be inconvenient..

We trust Apple coz they say "we don't give out personal info" but if MCX never got hacked, then would we trust them?
 
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My "loyalty points" are much better via my AmEx than any silly retailer-specific loyalty program. I'll stick to AmEx via Apple Pay thanks.
 
Retailers are seeing once in a generation move of consumer payment behavior - from plastic cards to these sensory communication systems. They claim to have "suffered" from processing fees during the regime of plastic and see this is a once in a generation opportunity to shape the next payment paradigm to make it cheaper for themselves (aka cut the credit cards out). All the while, Google Wallet and other NFC systems lacked uptake and they certainly did not have the marketing muscle of Apple. Now Apple Pay is out - and if they do not try something now, they have no chance for another generation or more. That is why the desperation, even if their product is not even street ready yet.

Understand your point.

But don't you think this is actually COUNTER-productive?

Their are well thought ideas based on sound advice from consultants, R&D, even basic market research (like polling several hundred customers and asking them to rate their 'likes-dislikes' on a scale of 1-10 the idea of a new QR Code Payment system where you couldn't use credit cards)

Then there are horrible, ill-conceived ideas that are SO OUT OF TOUCH with the pulse of the consumer, that it's not only unpopular, but counterproductive. Meaning people are so offended by their actions that they'll end up losing customers.
 
Understand your point.

But don't you think this is actually COUNTER-productive?

Their are well thought ideas based on sound advice from consultants, R&D, even basic market research (like polling several hundred customers and asking them to rate their 'likes-dislikes' on a scale of 1-10 the idea of a new QR Code Payment system where you couldn't use credit cards)

Then there are horrible, ill-conceived ideas that are SO OUT OF TOUCH with the pulse of the consumer, that it's not only unpopular, but counterproductive. Meaning people are so offended by their actions that they'll end up losing customers.

You are right, what they are doing is pissing off people. But, from their perspective; if they do nothing and wait a year - they will get steamrollered by Apple. At least this way, they are throwing a hurdle (at a great cost of customer good will) and trying a last second "Hail Mary". They may still get steamrollered by Apple - but at least they tried something.
 
"18 loyalty programs" for each person? What research is he using to make that determination........ Sounds WAY high IMHO. I know our family is only taking part in about 6 loyalty programs......
 
It ain't gonna fly. Department of Homeland Security et al will frown hard at any means of truly anonymizing digital payments.
Possibly, but it's worth noting that Apple Pay is not anonymized from a police-with-a-warrant standpoint; the credit card company still has a record of where you shopped and when, information which can be subpoenaed.

What it anonymizes is the retailer's ability to link your digital payment to a specific number or other unique identifier; all they get is a one-use random number and the money. Nothing they can map to other transactions in their system (or others' systems) to keep track of what you're buying (and when, and where).

Besides, from a DHS overreach standpoint, it's not like you can't just pay cash. Living in that Humboldt County, there are an awful lot of $100 bills in circulation, and a lot of people who pay cash even for big-ticket items.
 
CurrentC is already dead and they don't even realize it

It is so funny, CurrentC is already dead and they don't even realize it at the same time stores like Walmart, BestBuy, Rite Aid and CVS are going to either loose a ton of customers or going to cave in very quickly to Apple Pay and Google Pay.

You see I am sure that CurrentC will use a App for their payment system and I am sure that Apple and Google will not allow these apps on their device so when that happens the complete CurrentC program dies.

In the mean time while all these stores back CurrentC and don't accept Apple pay, I hope every iPhone and Google Phone user choose this holiday season to not shop at these stores.

Let's all work together to make sure that all stores supporting CurrentC and not accepting Apple Pay or Google Pay feel the rath of their decision this holiday season. When their profits drop this 4th quater and their market shares drop due to poor performance they will realize that we the consumer can control their fates and they should listen to what we want as it is our money that we are spending.

In the mean time I really think Apple and Google should pull all their products from these stores to really let these companies know that they messed with the wrong people.
 
What it anonymizes is the retailer's ability to link your digital payment to a specific number or other unique identifier; all they get is a one-use random number and the money. Nothing they can map to other transactions in their system (or others' systems) to keep track of what you're buying (and when, and where).
Not true. The token (the device account number whose last 4 digits you can see in the card info page) stays the same as long as the card is registered in Passbook. Only the additional security code changes per transaction. So retailers can certainly track purchases over time. However, Apple Pay does not seem to transmit your name to the merchant (while it can be read from the mag stripe of a physical credit card when swiping), which may make it a bit more difficult to match your transactions to a personalized profile the merchant might have. Of course, if you use any kind of loyalty program even once together with Apple Pay, they know who owns that device account number.
 
Your CEO seems to think differently. According to him, Starbucks basically owns the mobile payment market, and processed payments worth $1.3 billion in 2013. Far more successful than NFC so far.

I don't work there anymore (thankfully), but I don't think he really knew what it was like being in a store. Just as with most companies, there's a disconnect there between corporate leadership and the boots on the ground.

But of course, the only thing that matters is what the customer sees on the outside.
 
MCX CEO Touts Loyalty Perks of CurrentC, Says There Are 'Consequences' for Br...

Not true. The token (the device account number whose last 4 digits you can see in the card info page) stays the same as long as the card is registered in Passbook. Only the additional security code changes per transaction. So retailers can certainly track purchases over time. However, Apple Pay does not seem to transmit your name to the merchant (while it can be read from the mag stripe of a physical credit card when swiping), which may make it a bit more difficult to match your transactions to a personalized profile the merchant might have. Of course, if you use any kind of loyalty program even once together with Apple Pay, they know who owns that device account number.


Yes I have been wondering if that Device Account Number that is concealed but the final 4 digits, is it exposed in full to the merchant? Obviously the bank has it. If the merchant only gets the last four I doubt that is any value to them but if it's the full number it could be used to profile a customer. Hopefully Apple will randomize that by the time loyalty cards are a part of Passbook.
Regarding loyalty cards, I just make the store clerks give me a new one each time I need it for a purchase discount then it goes in the trash. I avoid profiling as much as possible.
 
Yes I have been wondering if that Device Account Number that is concealed but the final 4 digits, is it exposed in full to the merchant?
Yes, of course. It is your "virtual credit card number" that is given to the merchant instead of the real number.
Hopefully Apple will randomize that by the time loyalty cards are a part of Passbook.
The way Apple Pay works (utilizing the existing card payment networks), it is not practical to completely randomize the token. That would be like using a new credit card for every transaction.
 
:mad: "[D]efying MCX's exclusivity agreements does have 'consequences.'"

:) Is that a threat?

:mad: Oh when I'm threatening you, you'll know it!

:) Soooo, was that a threat?

:mad: No.
 
Don't mess with customers. We are the most powerful group.

MCX will come out in 3-6 months saying they are shutting down or Google or Microsoft will buy them just to get them out of existence.

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Loyalty cards will be part of passbook with ios 9 or sooner. Apple is making something easier like always.
 
FYI, Starbucks does not use QR Codes. Not sure why, but they use PDF417, an older barcode format. Works the same way, but QR Codes should be easier to scan and allow more data to be encoded.

"PDF417 is a stacked barcode that can be read with a simple linear scan being swept over the symbol. Other 2D codes, such as DataMatrix and QR, are decoded with image sensors instead of uncoordinated linear scans." via Wiki

Might mean the existing hand scanners in locations could handle PDF417, but they'd have to update to different models for QR codes?
 
Those people should have never been qualified to have a credit card.
If they can't handle credit they shouldn't apply for credit. Plus you end up trapping those people who have made mistakes in the past but straightened themselves out and are getting back on track.

there is such a thing as predatory lending.
and if a lender is being coercive, deceptive, or otherwise misrepresenting the terms and conditions they should be punished in accordance to the appropriate laws.

Otherwise, IMHO the fault lies with the borrower.

Never sign or agree to something you haven't read and understood. Don't spend money you don't have. Don't ride so close to the edge that a bump sends you off the financial cliff.

I think it's a one-time random generated number, can't be used again.
No, the Device Account Number is static for a particular card and your device. It will be used every time you use that device with that card. However the token generated by the phone is one time use and supposedly won't be something a crook could easily generate, plus I think the DAN isn't valid for other types of transactions.

Also (speculating) I don't think it's passed with any other identifying info, but if the merchant asks for name/addr/phone and you give it to them then they're going to be tracking you. Similarly if you use a loyalty card with the same transaction I bet they will associate the two (eventually if not now).

That's not a big deal though, I'm not concerned what data they collect on Fred Flintstone. (you didn't actually gave them real info when you signed up for the loyalty card, did you? :) )
 
It is so funny, CurrentC is already dead and they don't even realize it at the same time stores like Walmart, BestBuy, Rite Aid and CVS are going to either loose a ton of customers or going to cave in very quickly to Apple Pay and Google Pay.

You see I am sure that CurrentC will use a App for their payment system and I am sure that Apple and Google will not allow these apps on their device so when that happens the complete CurrentC program dies.

In the mean time while all these stores back CurrentC and don't accept Apple pay, I hope every iPhone and Google Phone user choose this holiday season to not shop at these stores.

Let's all work together to make sure that all stores supporting CurrentC and not accepting Apple Pay or Google Pay feel the rath of their decision this holiday season. When their profits drop this 4th quater and their market shares drop due to poor performance they will realize that we the consumer can control their fates and they should listen to what we want as it is our money that we are spending.

In the mean time I really think Apple and Google should pull all their products from these stores to really let these companies know that they messed with the wrong people.

Ha! That's a good point. All Apple and Google need to do in order to kill it is just not allow it one their respective app stores.
 
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