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I've said it from the very start, that something has to be done to incentivise merchants to adopt Apple pay, otherwise they won't adopt it.

Nobody has to adopt Apple anything. ApplePay uses NFC technology that is already in place for options like Google Wallet and MasterCard PayPass. If those services work, then ApplePay works. There is nothing further to adopt.
 
So I wonder, since their exclusivity deals block ApplePay/Google Wallet/any other NFC mobile payments, what's keeping Apple, Google and Microsoft from just denying their app entry into their app stores?

Why bother ? Free advertising for Apple Pay and it just keeps making Apple Pay look better and better :D.

As it stands now, with Apple pay merchants have to pay more than they would with just regular credit card payments.

Did you even bother to read up on ApplePay ? The credit card companies are paying Apple a percentage of the transaction fee. The transaction fee is the same as a normal credit card transaction (i.e. the merchant does not pay any extra money compared to a normal credit card transaction).
 
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Some people on here are so obtuse. Its not about Apple pay versus currentC. Merchants are doing exactly what many businesses would do and that is to protect their bottom line. I've said it from the very start, that something has to be done to incentivise merchants to adopt Apple pay, otherwise they won't adopt it. As it stands now, with Apple pay merchants have to pay more than they would with just regular credit card payments. So of course they're going to go with an inferior payment system that gives them more. When Apple and the banks hashed out their agreements, they sure didn't think about anyone but themselves. And this is the result.

Show me credible documentation that says that merchants have to pay higher transaction fees on Apple Pay transactions as opposed to payments made via a traditional credit card. I don't think you're going to find any because what you're presenting as fact is simply not true. Please stop spreading misinformation.
 
You know, if "challenging the status quo" meant "improving consumer security and privacy", then I'd be wildly in support of CurrentC. If it was, say, roughly as easy as Apple Pay, and required a similar amount of information (that is, your account number and verification--not your SSN and probably direct access to your bank account, too), then it might not look so bad. And if they said, "Sure, use Apple Pay or Google Wallet, but once you try CurrentC, we're sure you'll prefer our service", then I probably wouldn't be nearly as offended by the other problems with the system.

But the reality is that the system may be challenging the status quo of credit card processing fees, it's also an assault on what little consumer privacy existed at the retail level to begin with (reading one of the articles on just how much the big national retailers know about you from tracking your purchases and buying additional information from brokers to fill out the picture is somewhere between impressive and terrifying), and it really only benefits the retailers, not the consumer, with the only way to push it being to remove the opportunity to use competitors, tells me all I need to know.

That makes them not just another player in the market that I may or may not use, but something I actively want to fail, and anything their CEO tells me pretty much assumed to be a lie.

So while MCX could have just been competition--which is good, particularly if it shakes up things and reduces systemic costs and lock-in--it's now, basically, an antagonist. It's already cost CVS and Rite Aid my business, and I even took the time to send a note to Sears telling them that I'd be taking my appliance purchases elsewhere on account of their participation. Guess I just really don't like being the product.

It might still succeed, who knows. And I'd love to see an actual alternative system like this that really did shake up the payment processing industry (a la PayPal, which has its own problems). I just hope MCX isn't it.
 
I didn't think competition law applied to the App Store... can't Apple block any app they want? It's their playground...
 
Can't a store still scan a keyring barcode then accept payment with NFC? At CVS I use the barcode to get discounts which then show on the payment register. I really don't see how they lose by a customer using ApplePay rather than their system. Is it a matter of the transaction fee?
Of course they can. I do this at Walgreens. I show my loyalty card which comes up in PassBook on the phone. They scan it, then I wave the phone at the terminal and pay with ApplePay. Pretty easy, and Apple will make it easier soon.
 
What I still get is why doesn't Apple (and Google) simply remove CurrentC from the App Store?
When Bose (and the NFL) took aim at Beats products last month, Apple responded by removing Bose products from their online and retail stores.
I don't see this situation as all that different.

Removal of the app from the store doesn't prove anything. Apple is better off establishing Apple Pay by providing a better experience. They were doing that until retailers disabled their readers.

I believe the Bose removal had more to do with an ongoing lawsuit, which has now settled.
 
If the MCX merchants can choose to accept Apple Pay without being subject to fines, why did CVS and Rite Aid turn off the NFC functionality months before the CurrentC system is ready? That doesn't make any logical sense. They're still allowing customers to swipe plastic so there is ZERO reason not to turn NFC back on. The transaction fees are the same using NFC vs. swiping plastic.

Data. NFC takes away the data they want. It's all about greed. Google wallet wasn't an issue however now both eco systems have a pay option, that's a lot of data they are missing out on.
 
MCX will not be receiving any of my personal information, nor that of my extended family.

This has nothing to do with ApplePay or Google Wallet, I simply refuse to use loyalty base payment systems that need loads of personal information. Their payment product is NOT for me.
 
Why do consumers want any of this crap?

In what way is the privacy breaching junk good for consumers? Why would anyone use currentc or aPay over cash?

So you're one of those people holding up the line looking for your bills and change? :p
 
Call CVS Headquarters is Rhode Island and tell them you want to use Apple Pay.

1-800-SHOP-CVS
1-800-746-7287
 
are MCX publicly traded ? run !!

Who spends more ? which platform ?

The busiest retail season is about to start, is Old Navy, Gap, Best Buy, etc, even Walmart going to pass up on a large % of the buying public

I think not
 
While I don't feel sorry for MCX, they are between a rock and a hard spot. If they would have allowed the Apple pay payments the war would've been over and they would've lost as no one would want to use their system. They took the other option and you can see the result.

They have a bad system that was flawed to begin with.

I'm not so sure. They decided to fight Apple instead of work with them.

There are some elements of CurrentC that aren't inherently bad. Merchants benefit when people don't pay with credit cards. In order to encourage that, it's not unreasonable to pass along some of the savings to the customer. The benefit is therefore mutual.

By bypassing the credit card companies, customers do lose certain fraud protections. But, using a system like Apple Pay, the risk is substantially reduced. So even if Apple took a small percentage from MCX-based transactions (and it's not clear they would), it's still much smaller than what they pay to credit card companies and is worthwhile to protect consumers from fraud. It's a consumer-oriented approach. Better profit margins for merchants and savings for consumers with minimal fraud risks even with the loss of credit card fraud protections.

In case it's not clear, the idea would be, e.g., for MCX to provide customers with a digital card that can be integrated into Apple Pay. When you pay with that card via Apple Pay, money is withdrawn from the consumer's CurrentC account, like any debit card transaction. When doing so, they provide you with whatever savings they do now (be it coupons or loyalty points, etc.). Sure there are technical pieces I'm omitting, but that's the main thrust. If they fixed other security concerns, such as not requiring your SSN, this approach actually has a chance to work and works with Apple instead of against it.
 
everyone should keep attacking them...eventually the stores are going to get scared and pull out and it will pave the way for widespread apple pay acceptance
 
Why in 2014 is anyone still using cash??! I haven't used anything but plastic for years and fortunately in the UK we've had chip and pin and NFC for small payments for years now and we've much more secure and safe.

I'll take my free 90 day warranty, my payment protection and my credit card cash back benefits over carrying wads of cash around which I can lose and/or be mugged for and takes ages for paying with thanks very much - I roll my eyes when I see people paying for anything with actual cash these days. You must be one of them!

Why i still use cash? I don' have to worry about hackers ...like target. Cash is simple...don't have to worry about all these process and stuff. I support mobile pay...and i still support cash.
 
They're changing the "Status Quo" alright—from bad to worse! The reason hackers are targeting them is because 1. They just realized there is a treasure trove of personal data in this cloud, 2. Since it's inherently more insecure it beats trying to hack something like Apple Pay, which actually might be impossible unless you have a device and a severed thumb and 3. Because these hackers are pissed at them like everyone else is. Hackers don't want to use a system that lets them get hacked too! So burn it down! This won't be the last data leak, I can tell you that much right now.
 
I think I'll go to Walmart, fill up a few baskets with numerous expensive items...and then leave it at the check-out because they won't accept Apple Pay.

:D

Say NFC or Google Wallet so you sound like a real customer.
 
What I still get is why doesn't Apple (and Google) simply remove CurrentC from the App Store?
When Bose (and the NFL) took aim at Beats products last month, Apple responded by removing Bose products from their online and retail stores.
I don't see this situation as all that different.

the moment apple/google removes CurrentC app, they will get a complaint from government/MCX that they abuse/monopolize their app store unjustly.
 
I thought I was reading a political campaign message...

Keep on spinning. They are going the wrong path of no return.

the moment apple/google removes CurrentC app, they will get a complaint from government/MCX that they abuse/monopolize their app store unjustly.

What? Wouldn't that just make people use Windows phone or Blackberry?:p
 
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