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[Merged] iPhone and Radiation Safety

danvlarsen said:
Yes they do. Specifically, RF radiation reduces cells' oxidative state. i.e. they suffocate and die.

Ice samples show that our environment used to contain between 38% and 50% oxygen. Today, we have below 20% oxygen in our environment. At 7% oxygen levels, humans asphyxiate.

So we take that situation - which we've created - and then we add RF-emitting devices that further decrease cellular oxidation. i.e. suffocating (killing) our cells. With iPhone and Blackberries, we've gone from partial localized RF exposure to constant localized RF exposure (plus all the stupid bluetooth headsets that go with it).

All the studies that claim no connection between RF radiation and cell death have unrealistic study times. The cell phone industry gets a research team to study rats undergoing GSM modulation exposure for 24 hours and then hail the rather paltry results as evidence that cell phones don't cause cancer.

There are numerous studies that found connection between RF radiation and cell deoxidation and death, and even those weren't conducted over a timeframe necessary to reasonably recreate the typical human exposure over a number of years from regular cell/mobile phone use.

Here's just a few:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...ez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...ez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18044737?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=5&log$=relatedarticles&logdbfrom=pubmed
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17624651?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=1&log$=relatedarticles&logdbfrom=pubmed
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...ez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

You seem awfully sure of your position, given there's just as much evidence demonstrating a connection as there is demonstrating no connection. Have you asked yourself: what are the intentions of the scientists behind these studies? I'm willing to bet there's a significantly higher incidence of money connection between the cell phone industry and the scientists in the "no cancer connection" group than there is between the cell phone industry and the scientists in the "cancer connection" group.

I'm also willing to bet my health and welfare on my position. Are you willing to bet your health on your position? Let's discuss in 15 years. If you tell me then there's no connection, I'm pretty sure you'll also be sucking down your healthy, manly-voiced Marlboros and insisting there's no global warming while your home town washes down the river.
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Screw this cellphone - cancer stuff. No one has proven that daily cellphone usage gives you brain tumors. HOWEVER that doesn't mean you should wrap your iPhone next to your head and keep it there for 24/7. Common sense should tell you to avoid using it frequently for long periods of time and if you must do so, to use an earpiece.

To danvlarsen: Since you love making comparisons ("that's like saying I shouldn't keep beer in my fridge just cause I don't drink"???) I'll give you one of my own. If you are scared that iPhone is going to give you testicular/prostate cancer because you keep it in your pocket, don't ever go outside when it's sunny, you'll get skin cancer and scientists have already provided a definite proof of that.

Conclusion: Exercise common sense!
 
frotomerket said:
Exposure to Radio Frequency Energy
iPhone contains radio transmitters and receivers. When on, iPhone receives and
sends out radio frequency (RF) energy through its antenna. The iPhone cellular
antenna is located on the back of iPhone near the dock connector. The Wi-Fi and
Bluetooth® antenna is located near the back top edge of the iPhone. iPhone is
designed and manufactured not to exceed limits for exposure to RF energy set
by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) of the United States, Industry
Canada (IC), and the recommendations of the Council of the European Union.
The exposure standard employs a unit of measurement known as the specific
absorption rate, or SAR. The SAR limit applicable to iPhone set by the FCC is 1.6
watts per kilogram (W/kg), 1.6 W/kg by Industry Canada, and 2.0 W/kg by the
Council of the European Union. Tests for SAR are conducted using standard
operating positions (i.e., at the ear and worn on the body) specified by these
agencies, with iPhone transmitting at its highest certified power level in all tested
frequency bands. Although SAR is determined at the highest certified power level in
each frequency band, the actual SAR level of iPhone while in operation can be well
below the maximum value because iPhone adjusts its cellular transmitting power
based in part on proximity to the wireless network. In general, the closer you are to
a cellular base station, the lower the cellular transmitting power level.
iPhone has been tested, and meets the FCC, IC, and European Union RF exposure
guidelines for cellular, Wi-Fi, and Bluetooth operation. When tested for use at the ear
and for body-worn operation (with iPhone positioned 15 mm (5/8 inch) from the
body), iPhone’s maximum SAR value for each frequency band is outlined below:



my question is, does using iphone on airplane mode help minimize radiation, when you are do not need an iphone for internet or phone calls? for instance you just want to listen to music, would putting an iphone on airplane mode be better, to minimize the amount of radiation going to ur ear thru headphones. answers would be appreciated. thanks
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On a side note, the frequency breakdown provided for the iPhone 3G indicates that for the 02-UK network - 900 and 1800 Mhz - the SAR value on GSM would be 0.235 and 0.780 at the ear, respectively, and 0.878 when using UMTS I 2100 (3G). As far as I can discern, only aggregate information was provided for the original iPhone - from the manual, "When tested for use at the ear, iPhone’s highest SAR value is 0.974 W/kg." This possibly relates to GSM 1900 Mhz.

Is there any way of obtaining a frequency band/SAR value breakdown for the original iPhone? Would like to compare the 900 and 1800 Mhz values in particular with the iPhone 3G. I know that the FCC and Cetecom reports have been made widely available but they didn't report any results for 900 and 1800 Mhz frequency bands, at least that I could find for the iPhone.

One issue that doesn't seem to be widely discussed/addressed is the potential interaction between frequency band and SAR value for any biological effects - the SAR metric provides an estimation of the rate at which radio frequency (RF) energy is absorbed per mass of tissue. However, I'm not sure where one could explore the relationship between SAR value, frequency band, exposure and potential biological effects. Presumably this could be addressed at two extremes: epidemiological and molecular. Anyhow, any insight into the question about frequency band/SAR value breakdown for the original iPhone would be much appreciated.
 
great discussion!

-See references below-
You were right in calling me out for references; there's a lot of false info and fear tactics out there, I should have posted them before and I certainly didn’t mean to scare anyone. I think if you read my post again you will see that I am not committed to the argument that it is doing harm, only that real evidence, from yes, peer reviewed research, shows that something pathologic could be occurring and that I, being a slight hypochondriac by admission (the joys of being a med student), will react to data like this by minimizing close cell phone contact- especially if a prominent neurosurgeon advices for caution. It’s everyone’s choice on how to handle inconclusive (for humans) data like this. Cell phones are saving lives right now, and I will continue using mine with a headset.

The greatest success is the dialogue that is increasing on the issue. I think we would all agree, even the skeptics, that more independent research on such a widespread issue should be encouraged. Although still unproven, and I will emphasize STILL UNPROVEN, I do not believe it is irrational to be cautious with energy that is potentially affecting our brains in some way. You are all obviously very intelligent people; let’s make sure it stays that way. Thank you for all the information on frequencies / iphone antennas. The SAR/frequency relationship is a good question!

One more thing, if you read my previous post, I said it “increases chemicals” i.e. caspase’s that are involved in apoptosis, not apoptosis itself.



Exposure to cell phone radiation up-regulates apoptosis genes in primary cultures of neurons and astrocytes.
Zhao TY. Zou SP. Knapp PE.

-They exposed cells to a GSM frequency (1900) and the cells upregulated aspase-2, caspase-6 and Asc which are involved in apoptosis.


Nonlinear changes in brain electrical activity due to cell phone radiation.
Marino AA. Nilsen E. Frilot C

-Used rabbits at 800Mhz 600mW max power. “We conclude that, in normal use, the fields from a standard cellular telephone can alter brain function as a consequence of absorption of energy by the brain”

-I think I remember some research finding that cell phones radiation alters a Ca channel, actually increases memory, but inhibits higher thinking processes. If anyone can find this on Ovid or something let me know, I didn’t see it this time-
 
can someone answer the question. we all know science has some kind of price with it, its a known fact!!!! and i am pretty sure there is some kind of effect that all this electromagnetic fields have on us at some point in time. dont deny it, it is pretty obvious. the question is, for the people who like to be cautious, can you suggest if airplane mode or doing anything else will help ensure minimum exposure to radiation??? please, some answer the question rather than arguing!!
 
Yes, airplane mode would reduce the exposure from your phone, but remember that you won't be able to receive calls.

From the website...

"If you turn on airplane mode, the wireless features of iPhone are disabled, and if allowed by the aircraft operator and applicable laws and regulations, you can continue to use the non-wireless features after takeoff"

When not in airplane mode you can disable bluetooth, wifi, set Fetch Date to "manual",, and possibly dissable GPS (but I don't know if this will help). Now your iphone is... an expensive phone. Use a headset but get an "airset" headset, to block radiation coming from a headset- which might be a scam but check it out if your concerned.
 
i think this is a great thread. i didn't really pay much attention to it till recently i realized i was listening to Pandora for 2 hours straight via 3G.

i don't plan on changing my habits but you can't help but wonder if it really does affect our health. i already don't sleep next to my cell phone (hell i even turn it off while i'm sleeping).

i know there are alot of independent studies being done and so far cell phones seems safe. i'd like to see a study of japan since their phones are literally part of their lives and they've been at it for years.
 
frotomerket said:
can someone answer the question. we all know science has some kind of price with it, its a known fact!!!! and i am pretty sure there is some kind of effect that all this electromagnetic fields have on us at some point in time. dont deny it, it is pretty obvious. the question is, for the people who like to be cautious, can you suggest if airplane mode or doing anything else will help ensure minimum exposure to radiation??? please, some answer the question rather than arguing!!
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Yes, it would seem that putting your iPhone is airplane mode would reduce your radiation exposure.

While all the arguments here are intelligent, I really don't have the energy to argue with true believers. Like you said, the toxic side effects of RF radiation are as obvious as global warming and lung cancer from smoking. I'll err on the side of the caution until there is unequivocal proof that EMFs and RF radiation do not disrupt the human energy field and create resulting physical imbalances. First, the "medical establishment" needs to accept that this is, in fact, a human energy field. That by itself is a giant leap that will take some time.
 
Might abandon beloved iphone cause I want to be able to have kids and a brain.

As simple as that. Let me first pre-empt anyone coming here and accusing me of anti-apple-ness or trying to incite a flame war: I am IN LOVE with my iphone, it's the best thing to have happened to me technologically since a very long time ago, but I just checked out it's sar rating being at a whooping 1.38 almost one and a half time the original iphone's sar. When you can get phones with as low sar as 0.15!!!! And just check a couple of very reliable news sources out:

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...us-than-smoking-or-asbestos-802602.html?r=RSS

http://menshealth.digitaltoday.in/menshealth/storyprint.jsp?contentid=1545&sid=5&cid=15

I mean we are talking here about quadrupling our chances of all sorts of cancers and tumors and destroying the quality of our semen. Is it really worth it? And imagine the radiation I am getting because this thing doubles up as an ipod which I use all the time, and which I keep always pretty close (when jogging say) to my internal organs...great, great stuf...

APPLE NEXT TIME YOU MAKE THE GREATEST PHONE KNOWN TO MAN TRY MAKING IT SAFE FOR US TO USE TO, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE US AS A CUSTOMER IF WE ARE IN INTENSIVE CARE WITH BRAIN TUMORS, AND YOU CAN'T HAVE OUR KIDS AS CUSTOMERS IF WE CAN'T HAVE ANY.

Right now I am seriously thinking of getting at least an ipod touch to substitute my iphone in ipod uses, but I am so dismayed at this whole situation that I might as well just chuck it out of the window and get an lg chocolate that will have 1/10 the radiation. :eek:
 
Build a lead box just big enough to live inside that box to protect yourself from all of the harmful radiation that is pounding your body 24 hours a day. You don't want to know how much radiation your body is being exposed just from the Sun by itself.

EDIT: Also, buy a biohazard suit so that you don't get lead poisoning from the lead box.
 
You know, you waste more time of your life worrying about issues like these than it would if you died early from it.
 
pintnight said:
Build a lead box just big enough to live inside that box to protect yourself from all of the harmful radiation that is pounding your body 24 hours a day. You don't want to know how much radiation your body is being exposed just from the Sun by itself.
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just dont inhale any lead vapour when making it and dont let ur body be in constant contact with the lead either thatl kill u as well:D
 
I'm going to have to ask you not to procreate. Not yet at least. I mean, at least you can keep your phone right? ;)

But seriously, same argument different phone. I wouldn't worry about it, we're all dying.
 
Pretty much summed it up.


Make sure you put that SPF 100 on your kids you want to have. Wouldn't want them to catch some rays from the crappy star we call the Sun.
 
Tallest Skil said:
And microwaves, home phones, computers, Wi-Fi routers, all manners of Bluetooth, x-ray, CAT, MRI, and PET scan machines, pulsars, quasars, black holes, over two thirds of the electromagnetic spectrum, cosmic background radiation, and the Sun.
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BAN EVERYTHING!!!
 
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