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"SIGH". I weirdly used to be a fan. F*CK Zuckerberg. Have a joyous morning/evening/night wherever the forum members are.
 
You could tell from Meta’s Keynote presentation that the Quest 3 was not just a gaming device anymore. They have had bigger ambitions for the headset more than games since a long time ago.

Clearly Apple shills on YouTube and other platforms.

How in the hell do these “content creators”, I mean Apple shills, say that the Meta Quest 3 is a gaming headset while it can do the same things the Apple Vision Pro can?

That it has way more games, is not a bad thing.
 
I am not a fan of recording with goggles/glasses. I have a pair of video recording glasses I got for review purposes several years back and reviewed them and now they sit in a drawer. Those were fairly lightweight glasses without a cable to a battery pack, so that wasn’t my issue. The issue, compared to using a camera was the inability to put it on a tripod with a good view of the action and setting it and forgetting it. Even outside, because of the limited zoom lens choices, i couldn’t zoom in and if I was standing and the subject was sitting, you could tell. There was no option to flip up the screen and lower the camera below your own vision line. Personally, I would be happier with lens options, being able to lower or raise the camera in hand held situations, and also using a tripod with the appropriate lens for more stationary events. Also, enjoying the video now with other people is part of the joy.

I personally don‘t see the goggles as being a good option compared to recording with an iPhone, much less a traditional camera. It has some upsides compared to the glasses I used, but the downsides still outweigh the upsides for most of my use cases… not to mention the person that’s having the party and those attending will have the memory of me wearing goggles.

I am curious, can you record with the goggles if you aren’t wearing them? In other words, could you put them on a projection table (tripod with a table) and set them to record? The glasses could do that, but it was hard to get the framing right when you just wanted a selfie with another person.
I want tripod recording but I think you'd need a standalone camera. I don't think it records without wearing it.

The immersive video demos by Apple were likely created by a Canon cameras with the Canon RF 5.2mm f/2.8 L Dual Fisheye 3D VR Lens. You may be able to duplicate that somehow with those cameras, but really these cameras record 2 images on a single 8k sensor, so 4k images per eye filling 180 degrees, and actually a little less than that, maybe 3.8k images. They are noticeably blurrier compared to the camera on the Vision Pro itself, though the Vision Pro camera don't record in 180 degrees.

So I'd wait until we can get real dual 8k recording before recording before recording on tripod.
 
Clearly Apple shills on YouTube and other platforms.

How in the hell do these “content creators”, I mean Apple shills, say that the Meta Quest 3 is a gaming headset while it can do the same things the Apple Vision Pro can?

That it has way more games, is not a bad thing.
It's because it sucks at those other things. It's not a viable computing platform. The only possible use is gaming at best.
 
Tim Cook had this to say about Meta.

Nothing. If Meta wants free advertising they’ll have to get it from somewhere else. I’m sure Apple Vision Pro doesn’t mind the free shoreline property they’re able to hang out for free in Zuckerberg’s head. :)
 
Mark is starting to sound more and more desperate each week.

How does he explain the dorky plastic joysticks you need to use in the Quest 3, as apposed to using your hands in the Apple Vision?
 
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You could tell from Meta’s Keynote presentation that the Quest 3 was not just a gaming device anymore. They have had bigger ambitions for the headset more than games since a long time ago.

regardless of meta’s ambitions, if 3 of 7 top applications are not about gaming.. stands to reason 4 out of 7, aka the majority ARE about gaming. The people get to choose, not marky.
 
I am curious, can you record with the goggles if you aren’t wearing them? In other words, could you put them on a projection table (tripod with a table) and set them to record? The glasses could do that, but it was hard to get the framing right when you just wanted a selfie with another person.

you are aware some iPhones can record Spatial Audio too right?
 
Even if Apple is successful with the VP, Meta can be more of the Andriod of the AR/VR world. Both can succeed.
Zuckerberg should have game out of the gate with, “I hope we can be the alternative to Apple Vision Pro.” I’m sure the board didn’t like that either. Probably didn’t like when he followed that up with saying Meta’s device is “cheaper”. So, he’s probably got another few days of saying “Resolution on devices that are primarily used for looking at things isn’t so special.” before they’ll allow him to go back into the recharge room to plug in and rest.

The Android of the AR/VR world is VERY likely to be Android again. Meta has a software advantage now, but Google’s shown themselves to be adept at copying, so they’re in the best position for the first Android device to have good features from both.
 
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How does it suck? With the Quest 3 you can have multiple Virtual Desktops while the AVP only supports 1?

Screen quality and camera quality might be worse, but duh … it’s $500. This is not a $3500 headset.

I think you answered your own question. but marky would agree with you.
 
Meta dumped billions to be in the position they're in now. If Zuck all of a sudden said their device is inferior to the Vision Pro, id be the death nail in their device’s coffin.
He likely got an earful when the FIRST thing he said about AVP was that he hopes Meta can be the AVP alternative. Which, I mean, isn’t a BAD thing to want to be. Android’s been the not-iPhone for years and have made a pretty penny for a lot of different folks. It’s just not what you say out loud in front of the world.
 
I think Zuck is channeling the spirit of another famous tech CEO whenever he criticizes new Apple products, specifically this guy:
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And I don’t think Ballmer ever said anything else really notable about the iPhone. Maybe he flubbed (in hindsight, of course), but he didn’t keep telling anyone who would listen “I like our strategy”. I guess lucky for him there’s not an expectation to say “something” on social media regularly or he might have :)
 
Uhh...who's gonna tell him? Last I checked, virtually all of the ads I have ever seen about the Meta Quest 3 were Game related ads. And Meta Horizons is cheeks. Soooo that sounds more like a gaming device to me

I have a Quest 2, and that's all it's for, lol. The only way you can use it for productivity is by using Remote Desktop (which I do really enjoy doing).
 
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I don't think he's saying anything controversial and from his perspective he's right. If you're into the metaverse and gaming things that Meta are pushing, obviously the Quest is better. If you care more about media consumption and app experiences similar to iPad, obviously the AVP is better.

Meta's biggest problem is the software platform which Apple have a 20 year head start in. I'd take AVP over the Quest for that reason but counting Meta out is stupid.
Their other big problem is Zuck. The guy is obsessed with e-commerce on social.
If he had his way people would live vicariously through his little imaginary word. 👾
 
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The immersive video demos by Apple were likely created by a Canon cameras with the Canon RF 5.2mm f/2.8 L Dual Fisheye 3D VR Lens.

Likely not. Canon says the technology doesn't exist today.

I've seen raw sample video produced from that camera on my Pimax Crystal, the video was not even close to being sharp, it was HD quality at best. I could see it needing 100 megapixels.

It comes down to pixels per degree, these 180 degree videos would need 34 pixels per degree to match the Vision Pro. The canon 5rC 45 megapixel camera records a width of 8192 pixels, these then are divided by 2 to make a stereo pair = 4096 pixel width per eye. Take the 4096 then divided by 180 degree coverage. is equal to 22 pixels per degree.

 
I don't think he's saying anything controversial and from his perspective he's right. If you're into the metaverse and gaming things that Meta are pushing, obviously the Quest is better. If you care more about media consumption and app experiences similar to iPad, obviously the AVP is better.

Meta's biggest problem is the software platform which Apple have a 20 year head start in. I'd take AVP over the Quest for that reason but counting Meta out is stupid.
Everything he's saying is right, just like how everything Ballmer said was right when he was talking about the iPhone. Yes, Windows Phones had more apps, was cheaper, had a "better" hardware keyboard, and had probably a list of other features and specs that looked better on paper. What the iPhone did better was the user experience with multitouch, just like how much better vision pro's spacial tracking and gestures tracking works much more fluidly than controller based inputs. I'm not saying the Quest is going to go the way of Windows Phone, but Zuck is making the same mistake as Ballmer by not seeing past the surface level things Apple introduced.
 
He’s way too dismissive of resolution. It’s funny because, of any type of device, AR/VR are the most dependent on visual resolution to achieve their ultimate goal: replicate or augment reality. Meta’s devices have some advantages, sure. But just like Apple did with touch screen responsiveness, they are doing with AR/VR visuals. They lead the way in making it feel actually real, and Meta is stupid for not understanding this is the #1 priority for a product like this to have widespread success long-term.

How does it suck? With the Quest 3 you can have multiple Virtual Desktops while the AVP only supports 1?

Screen quality and camera quality might be worse, but duh … it’s $500. This is not a $3500 headset.

I think you answered your own question. but marky would agree with you.

According to Karl Guttag, the additional screen resolution of the Vision Pro doesn't give it additional detail in rendering when compared to the Quest 3. In fact, the AVP is actually worse at rendering fine detail than the Q3, at least for images (which would include mirroring a Mac screen). The only advantage of the AVP image is that it blurs the image enough that the subpixel structure isn't visible.
 
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I've gotta say, I agree with him on the motion blur issue. It's really bad on the Vision Pro. I was looking forward to wearing it while doing stuff around the house but the motion blur makes it really suck for that. It wasn't the main reason I returned mine, but it was up there.
 
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How does it suck? With the Quest 3 you can have multiple Virtual Desktops while the AVP only supports 1?

Screen quality and camera quality might be worse, but duh … it’s $500. This is not a $3500 headset.
Yah why would you want to work with a crappy screen and camera? It's junk.
 
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