Meta Hopes Apple Vision Pro Will 'Reinvigorate' Headset Space

[dannyyankou]

And I'm sure when Vision Pro launches, Meta's apps won't support it. I mean we're still waiting on an iPad instagram app. And Threads too lol

 

[Spooner83]

Can Facebook just go bankrupt already? Haven't they data mined every human on the planet already? They're hoping that Apple is successful so it will make people want to try their failed headsets and land of VR? Such garbage.

 

[Col4bin]

It's happening!

 

[Polinsky]

I've yet to see an AR/VR headset, including Apple's, that isn't ugly as hell.

Since you find everything ugly, then you must be able to tell us what it would take to make the AVP into an acceptable fashion statement for you. BTW, this kind of global statement (everything is ugly) is an illogical generalization that destroys any credibility in my eyes and gains a spot in the ignore file.

 

[WarmWinterHat]

Since you find everything ugly, then you must be able to tell us what it would take to make the AVP into an acceptable fashion statement for you. BTW, this kind of global statement (everything is ugly) is an illogical generalization that destroys any credibility in my eyes and gains a spot in the ignore file.

Remove the silly eyes from the front, and make it look less like Ski goggles.

 

[guardianoftime]

Reminds me of what Nintendo does with its mobile games division: they add new games which are "light" versions of the proper games on Switch so that those games will boost sales. However, I never heard of a company using the same strategy but with a different company to boost sales!

 

[jgreg728]

“Please innovate for me Daddy Tim.” - Mark Suckerberg

 

[CarAnalogy]

Tim Cook was quoted in 2022 as saying he's "not sure the average person can tell you what the metaverse is.”

“When I look down on them from my helicopter or penthouse apartment, it doesn’t seem like they know what the metaverse is. I asked my butler and my house keeper, they didn’t know.”

 

[dontwalkhand]

I think this market may remain niche forever, Apple or not. Headsets like this has too much fatigue for a lot of people, not too compatible with glasses in terms of the Quest, and requires prescription inserts in terms of Apple’s etc.

 

[HazeAndHahmahneez]

Meta??? Don’t make me gag! lol them and google can go on with that mess!!

I don't see myself ever using AR/VR goggles for meetings or any video charting. The avatar they make seems creepy. I don't see working with goggles on all day either. I really can't see a reason besides gaming and I don't game.

Man not to derail but you’re missing a lot of good “games”: Tetris, ico/shadow of colossus/last guardian series, last of us series, portal 2, pure chess, gran Turismo 7, final fantasy 9, fallout 3, fallout new Vegas, Mario 64, the list goes on of classics and some of them not even traditional games but experiences (even Radiohead made a game haha), not to derail the thread at all, but just looking to enrich your life. I think I read that there’ve been studies of Tetris play assisting with concussions etc. as well as certain games assisting with eye hand coordination (probably. Call of duty types).

I know a native social chess game would be awesome for Apple vision…

Remove the silly eyes from the front, and make it look less like Ski goggles.

Hmmm, I think I read you can turn the eyes off so that’s a plus.

 

[Light_of_Consciousness]

Similarly, Tim Cook was quoted in 2022 as saying he's "not sure the average person can tell you what the metaverse is."

The shade in that quote. ::chef's kiss::

 

[dampfnudel]

Yeah, in other words, Meta is hoping there’s an Apple high tide that helps raise their own boat/product which has been a failure more or less.

 

[Bodhitree]

Well, if you have a look at the software architecture, Apple’s visionOS includes most of a 3D game rendering engine, which is exactly what you’d need to do if you want to have interchangeable 3D models in a range of software environments, from AR to VR games to inside the OS like the “meet dinosaurs“ app. It’s also the computing groundwork for a Ready Player One-style boulevard with all kinds of game avatars in it.

So Apple may profess to not be interested in the metaverse, but at the very least they have hedged their bets by standardising the rendering and shading tech, and they will probably leave the door open for developers to participate if they wish, and since it would be free advertising, why would they not?

In any case I think that will be a much smarter take on the metaverse than Meta’s, who seem to be trying to build everything themselves and spending an ungodly amount of money on it.

On the subject of a product halo, I think AVP will lift the tide somewhat, since people who can’t afford an AVP may be tempted to buy a 500 usd Quest 3 instead.

 

[kkee]

Owning a MQ3 was the reason I ultimately ended up cancelling my Vision Pro order. I don't ever use the thing (its for sale in the Marketplace for anyone interested) and as cool as the Vision Pro looks I know it would end up being a $4000 paperweight that I'd use once every blue moon.

Because with MQ you are stuck in metaverse, which believes me or not, is like a desert island. VP is the opposite, it allows you to be in the presence. It focus on pass through instead of virtual space, so you can interact with people and your real room with ease.

 

[Kierkegaarden]

VisionOS is the product. The Vision Pro is just a tool to access VisionOS.

VisionOS is spatial computing. It's built for general purpose computing. Productive work (and entertainment) that is enhanced in 3D space, just like our actual lives are lived in 3D Space. It is computing not limited by a small rectangle screen. There is no "killer app." It's not meant for a singular use. It's meant to be used generally, for general computing tasks.

Meta sees "The MetaVerse" as the killer app. So much so that they renamed their entire company after it. And yet, still, to this day, has Meta even built one of these Meta Spaces? Is anyone using the Meta Quest to access a MetaVerse that is at the heart of Facebooks vision for a Metaverse? I personally have no interest in the MetaVerse.

Contrast this with me, using Apple Freeform on VisionOS, on day one, to stand and outline my book/philosophical project, using life sized post-it style notes on my wall. Able to see the 300+ post it notes that I took off of my wall and put into Freeform. This work doesn't work on my laptop screen. I need to stand and interact with it like I used to do on my actual wall. I then pivot to work in life-sized Keynote, which I use to make "movies" of the entire project, presenting it in visual style. In Keynote, I construct the 300+ icons that are part of the project. Then, I'll sit, open environments to help get me into a flow state so that I can finish writing the book that's core to the project.

Meta and Apple are not doing the same thing. Meta is building a headset. Apple is building an OS for Spatial computing.

Nice comment. As you say, the spatial computing environment through VisionOS is what will draw users to the platform.

Companies may try to match the hardware spec, but the real differentiator will be the software that powers the hardware.

 

[Kierkegaarden]

I'm as big of an Apple fanboy as they come but I do find it hilarious how folks in this forum seem to deny the fact that Apple ultimately entered this space because Meta proved there is indeed, a market for these types of VR/AR products.

Incorrect. Meta has been focused on VR until just recently, and they haven’t proven a market exists for what they have developed. Apple has been focused on AR (ARkit was released in 2017). I’m sure how long they have been working on Vision Pro, but it was probably being developed alongside ARkit. These are two companies with vastly different goals.

 

[rizzo41999]

Incorrect. Meta has been focused on VR until just recently, and they haven’t proven a market exists for what they have developed. Apple has been focused on AR (ARkit was released in 2017). I’m sure how long they have been working on Vision Pro, but it was probably being developed alongside ARkit. These are two companies with vastly different goals.

Sir, what are you talking about? Facebook/Meta has owned and sold Oculus devices since 2014 and has AR features. Smartphones have had AR capabilities for years… Pokemon Go? You’re acting like AR was just invented with this device and you’re wrong and kinda falling for the marketing…

 

[farmboy]

Reckon this is one of those rare times when all interested parties in VR, ie. Sony, Apple, Meta, Oculus etc all should come and work together as a consortium. They'd be able to convince far more developers to invest in it this way.

Everyone would love a VR headset if it was affordable, and had VR versions of all the popular apps. Browsers are so clunky at present, as is virtual typing, from experience.

What on earth would be the benefit for any of the companies, they would just be selling a toaster.

 

[mk_in_mke]

Owning a MQ3 was the reason I ultimately ended up cancelling my Vision Pro order. I don't ever use the thing (its for sale in the Marketplace for anyone interested) and as cool as the Vision Pro looks I know it would end up being a $4000 paperweight that I'd use once every blue moon.

So said Steve Ballmer about the iPhone
So Said Michael Dell about Apple Stores
So said everyone mocking the iPad's name

So, said you. now helps us all in more interesting ways: tell us what stock to buy on Wall Street

 

[mk_in_mke]

Amazon sells a boat load of their Fire tablets and Microsoft has a lot of success with Surface. And the Apple watch isn't really a mass-market hit - it's certainly popular in fitness but it's not particularly useful outside of that, so I think the smart watch market is just small in general.

ha ha ha... seriously?

 

[farmboy]

Amazon sells a boat load of their Fire tablets and Microsoft has a lot of success with Surface. And the Apple watch isn't really a mass-market hit - it's certainly popular in fitness but it's not particularly useful outside of that, so I think the smart watch market is just small in general

Apple sells about 40% of the tablet market, Amazon Fire about 8%, and all the others less (Statista).

Microsoft's Surface peaked in 2022 at $7 billion in sales, and have experienced a sharp 24% drop in sales in 2023 and a similar fall is expected in 2024 (ZDNet).

Apple has 37% of the smartwatch market, and people wear and use them all day long, not just for fitness (Counterpoint Res.).

But go ahead with your thinking

 

[G5isAlive]

Meta bought Oculus in 2014? This place starting to feel like early Christianity with the devotion, it's okay - Apple will succeed in the space. It's not about being first

You quoted me but missed the point. The assertion was that Apple was in the market because of meta. I disagree and it’s obvious in the different direction they took from oculus. Not sure why you dragged religion into this but someone can have a different viewpoint than the negativity. It’s not about being the cheapest 😂

 

[thelookingglass]

I think this market may remain niche forever, Apple or not. Headsets like this has too much fatigue for a lot of people, not too compatible with glasses in terms of the Quest, and requires prescription inserts in terms of Apple’s etc.

I agree. They won't work on a mass scale until they get to the size of a normal pair of eyeglasses.

 

[Warped9]

Yes, the fact that there's huge numbers of us Apple customers / users who aren't at all interested in Apple's latest product is very telling.

Yeah. A common refrain is that many Apple uders are apologists who accept anything Apple says or does and never find fault with them.

Certainly not true. I can look at any Apple product, including ones I quite like, and find shortcomings in them. But the final verdict for me is Apple getting far more right than wrong in the products I’m interested in.

Nothing is perfect and there are no perfect solutions—there are always trade-offs. The issue becomes what are you willing to compromise on.

 

[Warped9]

Amazon sells a boat load of their Fire tablets and Microsoft has a lot of success with Surface. And the Apple watch isn't really a mass-market hit - it's certainly popular in fitness but it's not particularly useful outside of that, so I think the smart watch market is just small in general.

Really?

The Apple Watch is indeed a hit and it’s far more than a fitness accessory. Samsung Galaxy watches barely register, and like Samsung tablets some markets seem to have hard time getting stock from Samsung.

The Amazon Fire is a rent-a-tablet. It sells because it’s cheap, but while it works like Android it isn’t Android. It’s Amazon’s own OS that cannot use Google apps. It’s a piece of crap that many parents get for their small kids who will break them eventually. Acer makes Android tablets that are inexpensive and a better buy than Amazon Fire.

Lenovo also makes Android tablets that are a much better buy than Amazon if you don’t want to go for a Sumsung.

And for god’s sake don’t ever buy an RCA tablet. It’s just garbage.