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Metro Exodus coming to Mac?

Exodus on Wednesday April 14 and new iMac M1X on Tuesday April 13? Imagine if Apple demoed Exodus just to show Intel was wrong when they mentioned the game as an example of games not running on Mac. Deepsilver and 4A have also not yet responded to direct questions on social media about the support for Apple Silicon. Maybe it's a surprise on the launch day of iMac M1X. :)
 
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If Apple demoes games on new Macs, they may also use Baldur's gate 3, which has a beta version running on ARM.
But there are a lot of unknowns. We don't even know if an Apple event will took place in April.
Gurman hasn't confirmed it, has he? He's always the one to give event dates, and he's very reliable at that.
 
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jeanlain said:
If Apple demoes games on new Macs, they may also use Baldur's gate 3, which has a beta version running on ARM.
But there are a lot of unknowns. We don't even know if an Apple event will took place in April.
Gurman hasn't confirmed it, has he? He's always the one to give event dates, and he's very reliable at that.
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Of course we don't know. It's Macrumors after all. It was just a speculation. Apple has several times introduced new Macs a month after they've been spotted in Mac OS betas and Tuesdays use to be launch day so I thought it would be a nice coincidence. :)
 
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urib2 said:
Game very demanding, need a modern GPU to enjoy 60 FPS.
In my opinion the game came out only for X86 processors.
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The game runs relatively well under DirectX->Vulkan->Metal translation on M1 Macs, with some stutters.
A Metal version would run much better I suppose, even under Rosetta. 60 fps may be possible with medium settings on a universal version.
 
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jeanlain said:
The game runs relatively well under DirectX->Vulkan->Metal translation on M1 Macs, with some stutters.
A Metal version would run much better I suppose, even under Rosetta. 60 fps may be possible with medium settings on a universal version.
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You do not pay $60 to play a 30FPS game with stutters.
The M1 will not be a replacement for a modern GPU, enough with the over hype.
Those who will enjoy this game, are iMac owners with a 5700XT card and an Intel processor.
 
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The Mac system requirements have just been announced. You can expect 30 fps at 1080p on a radeon pro 560, a potato that is quite a bit slower than the M1 GPU. Unless rosetta doesn't play well with this game, I expect about 50 fps at 1080p on an M1 Mac.
I don't see why M1 Mac owners should not play this game.
 
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urib2 said:
You do not pay $60 to play a 30FPS game with stutters.
The M1 will not be a replacement for a modern GPU, enough with the over hype.
Those who will enjoy this game, are iMac owners with a 5700XT card and an Intel processor.
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Sorry but you are wrong about all your three statements. :)

- No, you don't pay $60. The game alone costs about $40. It's the Gold Editon with the DLCs that costs $60. On Steam sale the game costs $20 and the Gold Edition $30. So you can pay only half if you want. And if you have a $10 Epic coupon you can get it for $10-20.

- If you think M1 is overhype then you haven't done your homework. As many others you're judging the future by the first and weakest M1 and its iGPU, like all development just ended there. M1 has 8 GPU cores performing even better than dGPUs like Radeon RX 560 (https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-tested/3). The system req. for Metro Exodus Mac 1080p medium 30 fps is Radeon Pro 560, slower than RX 560. Of course running the game via Rosetta will be slower but coming Apple Silicons this year will be much more powerful.

Apple is already working on GPUs with 16-128 cores (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ac-chips-with-aim-to-outclass-highest-end-pcs). TFLOPS is not everything but the rumored 128-core GPU would be crazy fast. It would be faster than any GPU on the market, including GF 3090!! And yes, you can scale GPU cores linearly or almost like that without much performance loss unlike CPUs.

M1 8 GPU cores 2.6 TFLOPS
M? 16 GPU cores 5.2 TFLOPS
M? 32 GPU cores 10.4 TFLOPS
M? 64 GPU cores 20.8 TFLOPS
M? 128 GPU cores 41.6 TFLOPS

Radeon Pro 5700 6.2 TFLOPS
Radeon Pro 5700 XT 7.7 TFLOPS
Radeon RX 6700 XT 13.2 TFLOPS
Radeon Pro Vega II 14.06 TFLOPS
GF RTX 3060 14.2 TFLOPS
GF RTX 3060 Ti 16.2 TFLOPS
Radeon RX 6800 16.2 TFLOPS
GF RTX 3070 20.3 TFLOPS
Radeon RX 6800 XT 20.7 TFLOPS
Radeon RX 6900 XT 23 TFLOPS
GF RTX 3080 29.8 TFLOPS
GF RTX 3090 35.6 TFLOPS

You can already run Exodus on M1 with 30 fps avg through Crossover emulation that itself is not native and is running through Rosetta 2, i.e. two layers of emulation/translation. That's how powerful the weakest M1 GPU is:

Metro Exodus 1080p low (Hairworks/Advanced Physics/Tessellation Off) on on M1 Crossover/Rosetta 2

The next low-end iMac is rumord to have 16 GPU cores which will be on par with Radeon Pro 5500 XT in current iMac 27".
 
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The game is out on Steam and Epic but the DLCs not yet.


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Homy said:
Sorry but you are wrong about all your three statements. :)

- No, you don't pay $60. The game alone costs about $40. It's the Gold Editon with the DLCs that costs $60. On Steam sale the game costs $20 and the Gold Edition $30. So you can pay only half if you want. And if you have a $10 Epic coupon you can get it for $10-20.

- If you think M1 is overhype then you haven't done your homework. As many others you're judging the future by the first and weakest M1 and its iGPU, like all development just ended there. M1 has 8 GPU cores performing even better than dGPUs like Radeon RX 560 (https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-tested/3). The system req. for Metro Exodus Mac 1080p medium 30 fps is Radeon Pro 560, slower than RX 560. Of course running the game via Rosetta will be slower but coming Apple Silicons this year will be much more powerful.

Apple is already working on GPUs with 16-128 cores (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ac-chips-with-aim-to-outclass-highest-end-pcs). TFLOPS is not everything but the rumored 128-core GPU would be crazy fast. It would be faster than any GPU on the market, including GF 3090!! And yes, you can scale GPU cores linearly or almost like that without much performance loss unlike CPUs.
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Listen I finished this game on a gaming PC, equipped with a 3700X 8-core processor and a 1080TI card in ultra settings I barely reached 80-90 FPS 1080P resolution.
You have no idea the RX560 card can reach 27 FPS in ultra settings, no more, so you expect to play stable 30-60 FPS on a Mac with an M1 processor.
You are likely to be disappointed.
In the context of what you wrote about Apple's processor with 128 cores I will not comment at all,
You compare Apple to a company like NVIDIA especially to a monstrous card like 3090.
 
They're not. The Radeon Pro 560 is really weak and is 1.8 times slower (!) than the GPU required on Linux and Windows to play the game at the same settings and fps. The difference is so large in fact that I wonder if there's a mistake somewhere or if the Mac version has some options disabled.
The Radeon Pro 5700XT required to play the games at 1440p 45 fps ultra on Mac is at least 30% slower than the GTX 1080ti required to play at 1440p 60fps ultra on other OSes.
Games on macOS generally require more RAM. I'm not sure why, but consider that they usually require recent macOS versions, which are more RAM-hungry than Linux and Windows.

I haven't bothered comparing CPU requirements. I suppose the limiting factor is mostly the GPU.
 
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jeanlain said:
They're not. The Radeon Pro 560 is really weak and is 1.8 times slower (!) than the GPU required on Linux and Windows to play the game at the same settings and fps. The difference is so large in fact that I wonder if there's a mistake somewhere or if the Mac version has some options disabled.
The Radeon Pro 5700XT required to play the games at 1440p 45 fps ultra on Mac is at least 30% slower than the GTX 1080ti required to play at 1440p 60fps ultra on other OSes.
Games on macOS generally require more RAM. I'm not sure why, but consider that they usually require recent macOS versions, which are more RAM-hungry than Linux and Windows.

I haven't bothered comparing CPU requirements. I suppose the limiting factor is mostly the GPU.
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The 5700XT is slower than the Vega 64? That doesn’t seem right.
 
1080p medium 25-45 fps on MBA 8 GB RAM. Hairworks and Tessellation seem to be missing from the Mac version? Or maybe they are autosettings when you choose High or Ultra? Hairworks is Nvidia tech so that's the reason for the lack of it.

 
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Homy said:
1080p medium 25-45 fps on MBA 8 GB RAM. Hairworks and Tessellation seem to be missing from the Mac version? Or maybe they are autosettings when you choose High or Ultra? The thumbnail is misleading. It says "Metro Exodus Enhanced" but this is not the Enhanced version. The Enhanced verison is not even out for PC.
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Hairworks is an Nvidia tech right? As for tessellation, the way Metal does it is so different from the rest that some developers don't bother porting this feature. Even Feral has not implemented terrain tessellation in RoTR on Mac.

So Metro Exodus runs under rosetta. You can expect a 20-30% performance drop in CPU-limited scenarios. But we don't really know how Rosetta impacts games. Anandtech compared GFXBench native to the intel version, which showed no difference. But this tool has very low CPU usage and is all about the GPU, as opposed to certain game (SoTR can max CPUs for instance).
I'd be interested in a comparison between WoW native and WoW under Rosetta.
 
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The Enhancing Edition is designed primarily for powerful PC gaming,
supporting hardware RAY TRACING and DLSS technology.
There is nothing on Mac that supports these technologies at the hardware level.
 
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