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I guess we are looking at the same elephant, but, seeing different parts of it. I'm looking at Micron's FQ3 2026 financial statement, and what I see is a company that is making $28.86B profit on revenue of $41.46B, that has $32.2B "liquidity" (cash or cash-able), and $18.6B "free cash flow".

IOW, they could be buying a new fab every single quarter right now. Yes, I know it isn't that simple. But, it does answer the question of where the money is supposed to come from.
Check their financials in 2023. Fabs take a few years to build. It doesn’t make sense to look at Q1 2026.

AFAIK, the memory manufacturers aren’t just sitting on their profits like Scrooge McDuck. Samsung alone announced $650B in capex and R&D over the next decade.
 
Micron is a far more important company to America than some fruit company that sells fancy iToys. Every American should boycott this scum company.

At this point, having Samsung crush Apple into bankruptcy is probably more beneficial to America than having this pro-China traitorous snake masquerading as an American company.
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Apple won't do it. Such a foundry would be too expensive! They will not make that kind of risky adventure;

However, they have engaged in $310 billion in stock buy-backs over the last 15 years. Yes, I see the glaring contradictions, too.

Above and beyond boycotting, what does an individual consumer do? Become a Luddite? 🤷‍♂️
Run linux on an intel mac.
 
Micron posted a loss of $5-6B in 2023 and a small profit of under $1B in 2024.

There is no way they had the cash flow to build a fab with a mere profit of $1B, let alone $6B in losses. These fabs cost $10-20B.

Also, the argument about 85% margins is weak because memory margins turn negative in certain years due to its commodity status. It doesn’t make sense to want them to have unlimited downside while also having capped upside. It’s a nonsense argument.

You people need to stop defending Apple. Micron is correct in this dispute.

Perhaps you should read their 2023 Form 10-K for fiscal year ending August 31 which is available on SEC EDGAR.

Speculation as to how much Apple could be to blame if guilty. It is not known how much of Micron's $15.5 billion*** 2023 revenue was from Apple. Neither company provides relevant data, but Apple is believed to be Micron's largest customer with high end estimates of 15%. We do know that 10 companies represent 50%.****

That makes a high end estimate of $2.4 bliion Apple paid Micron. What sort of premium do you think Apple should have paid? 10%-$240,000 million? 20%-$480,000 million?

Accounting 101: cash flow and profit/loss are two very different things. For example, expenses that had zero impact on cash flow included over $7.7 billion depreciation and amortization.* And guess what...Micron also paid over $1 Billion in stock-based compensation to its executives charged as an expense for profit/loss but also have zero impact on cash.

Micron ended the year with ~$12 BILLION cash, short term investments, and receivables (with an additional ~$8 billion of unsold inventory net of markdown to market below cost the cost to manufacture it).** Had they not paid a dividend of $504 million and not bought back $425 million in their own stock, they could have had ~$13 BILLION available to start (just start, not total cost to complete) another FAB.

Had they believed in themselves rather than blaming their customer, they would be 3 years into the construction with plenty of cash to finish it.

*Consolidated Statements of Cash Flows, p61
**Consoldated Balance Sheets, p59
*** Consolidated Statements of Operations, p57
**** A significant portion of our revenue is concentrated with a select number of customers, p29
 
Check their financials in 2023. Fabs take a few years to build. It doesn’t make sense to look at Q1 2026.

AFAIK, the memory manufacturers aren’t just sitting on their profits like Scrooge McDuck. Samsung alone announced $650B in capex and R&D over the next decade.
Highly recommend you read the 2023 financials after taking an introductory course in accounting.
 
Right, and I'm seeing poverty in the world positively as well. Not being able to afford thins will force many people to think twice before buying things I'm against.

Also, I think people should be punished for not living the lifestyle I mandate.
Your comparison is frankly inappropriate. You trivialize human suffering. There's a big difference between privileged people like you and me thinking whether we really need this or that luxury item, and a person who has difficulty meeting their basic needs. Being in favor of reasonable spending doesn't mean encouraging poverty – quite the opposite.
 
The Micron CBO should be fired for extraordinary lameness. "We were way over capacity and had produced so much that the market went into a slump. We couldn't sell at a profit. Then that mean-old Tim Apple wouldn't pay premium prices to fund unnecessary expansion". No one who wants to keep their job expands production in a buyer's market. If fundamentals show that the market will grow and expansion in the future is warranted, then investment will be there to fund it. This guy clearly missed the signals and failed to make the case to investors.
 
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Definitely read articles over the years about Apple seriously lowballing everybody, and the only way these companies could make money was due to the huge volume of battery / memory / storage chips that Apple ordered.
So Apple gets the phone battery for way below market price (probably $1 or $2), and charges $99 to install it in your phone.
So this article is not surprising to me.
 
None of these companies were forced to do business with Apple.
That doesn't change the fact that they lowballed everyone. There were plenty of articles about it over the years.
Sounds like it was somewhat profitable, but not enough for them to spend billions building out infrastructure when they're making a pittance per unit.
 
Your comparison is frankly inappropriate. You trivialize human suffering. There's a big difference between privileged people like you and me thinking whether we really need this or that luxury item, and a person who has difficulty meeting their basic needs. Being in favor of reasonable spending doesn't mean encouraging poverty – quite the opposite.
It's a humorous comparison to your tone-deaf way of mandating what is a luxury and what people should do or like.

There are lots of products that people buy that I think are in atrociously bad taste or generally pointless, but I don't venture into their forums to tell them how great it would be if they couldn't afford them anymore because I think they should by different things.
 
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This isn’t a good argument. From Apple’s on purpose lockin to not being able to export your data from apps like notes, Apple works hard to make it as difficult as they can get away with to switch to other companies

Why are you doing their PR for them, for free?

Oh please
Er, a pile of my notes are stored using gmail as the backend (usually things I want accessible on my work machine), and you can move notes between accounts (icloud vs gmail vs etc), just move all your notes to gmail and, bam, everything exported! What, precisely, is stopping you from doing that?
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Check their financials in 2023. Fabs take a few years to build. It doesn’t make sense to look at Q1 2026.

AFAIK, the memory manufacturers aren’t just sitting on their profits like Scrooge McDuck. Samsung alone announced $650B in capex and R&D over the next decade.
Micron is literally already in the middle of building a *massive* new set of fabs in NY, however
 
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This isn’t a good argument. From Apple’s on purpose lockin to not being able to export your data from apps like notes, Apple works hard to make it as difficult as they can get away with to switch to other companies

Why are you doing their PR for them, for free?

Oh please
Oh, please, indeed.

If you feel locked in that is on you. If you can’t move between OSes, that’s your issue. It is easier now than it has been in decades.

Apple didn’t force you to buy their products and use them. Maybe make an effort to use something else rather than just blaming them for selling you their wares.

I’m not selling Apple here, I’m suggesting you get off the pot and use something else instead of complaining.
 
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I wonder if Micron tried to strongarm Apple into signing a 5-year ram contract at current prices and Tim Cook went like “Lol, go screw yourself”. At this current rate, the ram companies are just encouraging computer OEMs to source their ram from elsewhere, thereby paving the road for the rise of smaller ram suppliers whom they may previously not have considered.

We already see Apple trying their luck again with a Chinese supplier. We now need other companies to hop on this bandwagon as well and help exert pressure as well.

If and when Micron decides to reduce ram pricing back to normal, let’s just say that Apple is a company who never forgets, and who rarely forgives.
 
Too bad Intel gave up on ARM, just when ARM came into its own in the PDA battery-saving era.
Technically, Intel were actually there for the PDA period, as my Dell Axim PDA had an Intel XScale processor in it and it worked quite well. It was the Smartphone era they managed to miss out on, by turning down Apple for the opportunity to manufacture processors for the iPhone and instead selling that line of business off, I believe the story goes. Oh well, hindsight and all that yada yada.
 
I wonder if Micron tried to strongarm Apple into signing a 5-year ram contract at current prices and Tim Cook went like “Lol, go screw yourself”. At this current rate, the ram companies are just encouraging computer OEMs to source their ram from elsewhere, thereby paving the road for the rise of smaller ram suppliers whom they may previously not have considered.

We already see Apple trying their luck again with a Chinese supplier. We now need other companies to hop on this bandwagon as well and help exert pressure as well.

If and when Micron decides to reduce ram pricing back to normal, let’s just say that Apple is a company who never forgets, and who rarely forgives.
The cartel's pricing is creating one hell of a price umbrella. It'll be very attractive for competition to enter the market. I doubt the entire computer industry is going to just sit there and not do anything.

On a different note, I don't believe too much in holding grudges for long, particularly in business. Businesses aren't persons. People are always making a lot of the relationship between Apple and NVIDIA. What really seems to have happened is that Apple stopped using NVIDIA after their chips were an obstacle in reducing power usage and they had supplied Apple with faulty GPUs. They tried out AMD, it worked, nobody complained, so there was no incentive to switch back.

At least as of right now, Apple is using NVIDIA chips in the Google cloud to run Siri AI. I'm sure they're trying to find cheaper alternatives, but if this were an oh-so-personal negative relationship, they wouldn't use them.

This may be inconceivable to some here who hate a certain company with a fiery passion, but I used to build PCs and over time, have been using Linux and then Windows as my main OSs, each of them for years. I don't hold grudges against either of them, they represent different tools for different situations and with different tradeoffs. I still use both of these OSs for some tasks.

I haven't bought an NVIDIA GPU since 2015 because they became too expensive, too difficult to buy and I've stopped building PCs. If all of that would change. Anything else would be silly.
 
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I wonder if Micron tried to strongarm Apple into signing a 5-year ram contract at current prices and Tim Cook went like “Lol, go screw yourself”. At this current rate, the ram companies are just encouraging computer OEMs to source their ram from elsewhere, thereby paving the road for the rise of smaller ram suppliers whom they may previously not have considered.

We already see Apple trying their luck again with a Chinese supplier. We now need other companies to hop on this bandwagon as well and help exert pressure as well.

If and when Micron decides to reduce ram pricing back to normal, let’s just say that Apple is a company who never forgets, and who rarely forgives.
Yeah, let’s let China take the lead in memory tech, win the AI race and then rule the world just so Apple can get cheaper memory.

Are you guys insane?
 
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Yeah, let’s let China take the lead in memory tech, win the AI race and then rule the world just so Apple can get cheaper memory.

Are you guys insane?
I don't live in the US, so I could not care less where Apple sources their components from, and what it means for those respective countries. Ram is quite readily interchangeable, there isn't really anything special about the ram being produced by Micron, and If anything, the entire issue is precisely because the majority of the world's ram is controlled by a small cartel of 3 companies who were unwilling to invest in expanding capacity when they had the opportunity. It's not that they didn't have the money to, but that these companies did not want to be stuck with a glut of ram, which would in turn lead to a drop in prices and further impact their profitability.

I will also go on to argue that the current climate in the US is not conducive to scaling the production of ram either. Investment is expensive and a long-term endeavour (and long-term planning is something China seems to excel at in part because their leadership is so stable), and US lacks the skilled labour willing to work in such fields (people tend to outsource what they consider as manual labour overseas).

If the US wants to maintain their lead in this area, then the current status quo cannot continue. The current US economy is being propped up by the same few AI companies passing imaginary money back and forth, and its people would be better off worrying about what this means for them if / when this bubble does (eventually) pop, and less about other countries' rise to power.

I am not insane, just pragmatic.
 


Micron's chief business officer has hinted, without calling it out by name, that Apple's tough supplier negotiations contributed to the conditions behind the global memory shortage.

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In remarks given to The Wall Street Journal on Wednesday, Sumit Sadana explained that Micron was unable to fund capacity expansion during the industry's previous slump, a period when its margins turned negative partly because some buyers pushed relentlessly for lower prices.



Micron is one of Apple's memory suppliers, providing some of the DRAM and NAND flash chips that go into iPhones, Macs, and iPads. Apple has a reputation for getting favorable terms from suppliers like Micron through long-term purchasing contracts.

Sadana's comments came just hours after Apple unveiled a sweeping round of price hikes that touched nearly every part of its hardware lineup. Products across the Mac, iPad, Apple TV, HomePod, and Vision Pro lines all went up in price, with only the iPhone, Apple Watch, and AirPods left untouched. Apple's stock closed down 6% the same day, its worst single-day performance in more than a year, wiping out roughly $265 billion in market value.

Apple CEO Tim Cook forewarned about this outcome more than a week earlier in comments to the same publication, warning that price increases had become unavoidable given how the company was being squeezed on memory and storage costs. Cook said Apple had been trying to shield customers from the worst of it but had reached a breaking point, describing the shortage as a "hundred-year flood" unlike anything he had seen in more than four decades. He pointed to the surge in demand for high-bandwidth memory used in AI servers, arguing that consumer products were now competing for a shrinking pool of supply and that pricing needed to come back down to earth before Apple's own prices could follow.

Article Link: Micron Suggests Apple Helped Cause Memory Price Crisis
Yeah I’m sure the company with 10% of the computer market and under 50 percent of the phone market was responsible, and not the datacenter AI explosion where the USA government handed over half a trillion dollars in funding for AI development.
 
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