That's not true. Every application that you install on Windows 10 has a folder.
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That's not true. Every application that you install on Windows 10 has a folder.
Actually, Apple quality is mediocre at best. Apple use Aluminum 6003 which is mass produced aluminum commonly used in bleachers that's prone to corrosion and commonly occurs in the Macbook palmrest area (Google "macbook palmrest pitting"):
Microsoft use more premium magnesium. Even Samsung use aircraft grade corrosion resistant Aluminum 6013.
It depends on what you mean by bloated. Vista/7/8/10 are still overly large when you look at their install footprint. I can fit a full featured Linux install into 6GB, and OSX is, what, 8GB, give or take? Windows tends to take up at least 12GB.
...yeah, there's WIMboot, but I'm still not exactly sure what that does, or if there are any disadvantages to it yet.
If you look at it from a resource perspective, then you could say that things have gotten quite a bit more trim over the years. When Vista came out, it required a pretty high end machine for its day to run. 2GB minimum, 4GB preferred, a bunch of drive space, and a better than bare basics GPU. It was ridiculous, and everyone railed against it. The thing is, the system requirements for Windows haven't changed a bit since Vista. What was a midlevel machine 8 years ago is now more than matched by $150 entry level PCs and tablets these days. On top of that, MS has spent a lot of time tweaking the innards of the OS, making each version that much more efficient and streamlined.
So while you can say that Windows leaves a way too fat footprint on your hard drive, you can't say the OS itself is overly bloated and bogged down.
Yes, exactly. It already does Exchange. But why can't I reply to an email with an attachment? A basic enterprise use case.
How about the ability to multi-task between two windows and some IPC? How about a decent VDI solution? With some more capabilities in the OS, you'd see more functional apps instead of lite versions of what is available now.
Many enterprise users already have an iPad but unfortunately have to go back to the laptop for any real work.
Apple had a chance and they blew it. Microsoft completely missed the market but they're catching up fast now.
It does, though they're not collapsed like they were in pre 8 versions of the start menu. It's more like they're categorized into subheaders.
I think it's weird that everything Spinedoc misses, I'm glad to see gone. I hate, hate, HATE nested folders and menus. Looking for stuff that's hidden in an expanded popup folder in an expanded popup folder in an expanded popup folder is a massive pain in the ass to me. I just want everything right there in my face, seen at a single glance. The Win8/10 start menus do just that for me.
I use the start menu to do file searches, launch applications, and get to my settings. Using it as a place to stuff not only the app launchers, but their readme files, their uninstaller shortcuts, or whatever else the developers decided to throw in there makes things way too busy and difficult to navigate through. This is why I like the new start. It's just apps, and settings, and search. Nothing more. Nothing less.
12GB is almost the same size for OS X. Windows actually has a smaller footprint. If you look at the WinSxS folder, that's where all your drive hard links are created. It's almost the same size if not slightly bigger than the total size of the OS. Also the OS will require disk space for the hibernation file. You can delete that file if you don't plan on using hibernation. On a clean install with the hibernation file deleted i'm in the 8GB range.
There's a Windows OS utility that will allow you to remove even more from the OS. IIRC it's called "Winlite". Not totally sure about the name.
After installing Windows 7 on a hard drive (empty) the amount of space occupied was almost 20GB if I remember right.... I have heard of them compressing stuff to take up less space, but if everything were not compressed have they actually trimmed the OS and utils itself? Linux when installed -- nothing is compressed.
Played with the new Surface 3 today at my local Microsoft Store. Very nice build quality. The speed seemed excellent and the screen looks terrific. At $599 for a 128GB device that runs a desktop OS I don't see how you can beat it. It is a shame Apple can't come out with a similar device. I've been an Apple Mac user for 10 years now but with after installing Windows 10 in Boot Camp on my Mac mini and purchasing at Surface 3, looks like my OS X days are coming to an end. Now trying to decide if I'll need to keep my iPad mini.
Bye!
As a person that has a Mac Pro 2008, a Windows computer, and a Linux computer (Windows hardware around 18 months old - self assembled).... I still prefer using my Mac Pro 2008 (around 98% of the time). I have the option, but in my books - Windows is my least favourite OS.
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It matters, not in functioning or the space taken... if the developers provide the same functionality in a more bloated manner - it is an indicator of the clutter that is embedded in the OS.
Glad to hear your positive experience. I was dreading going back to Windows after falling in love with OS X. Now it would be hard going back. It is still frustrating in some ways (updates and schizo Win 8.1), but it works really well these days. And I anticipate 10 fixing a lot of current issues.
I am looking forward to playing with one of these.
It is rather interesting to see the role reversal take place - stodgy slow moving Apple and a more nimble lightweight Microsoft. Wonders never cease!
I wouldn't say Apple is doomed yet
But as a shareholder I would be very worried to see that every single iPhone in Apple's current lineup (with the exception of the 6 Plus; probably due to limited availability), i.e. from the 6 down to the 8Gb 4S is currently being sold with at least a 15% discount by every big tech outlet here in Switzerland - a country where people tend to spend money like it grew on trees... Only 1 year ago, this was simply unconceivable!As to the Surface 3: I'm going to seriously check it out as a replacement for my ancient iPad 2 which starts to show its age even for web browsing. If MS succeeds in recreating a vaguely similar "always on" experience with Windows 10, I'm probably sold...
Hell - just the other days I simply wanted to throw 2-3 Gb of photos on my iPad, obviously, I couldn't do it because I didn't have the laptop (MBP) around running the iTunes against which the iPad is usually synced; and I didn't want to re-sync the entire device. FU Apple - is it so hard to offer an accessible file system (at least for photos) plus a universally usable port?
And don't get me started on those in the thread suggesting iPad use in the enterprise. I'm working in a Forbes 500 (probably rather 100) company, and our sales force HAS to use iPads only. For all I know they are sooo pissed! And I can understand them: having only the iOS email, calendar and messaging stock apps for a professional use case, rather than real Outlook and Lync, must be an indescribable PITA every day you get to work!
I use outlook on Windows when I am remoted into work..... When using mail, I want something simple... read email, write email, forward add attachement etc.
The bloody thing is a confusing mess of 20+ buttons across the top - some beside address area - all over the place. WTF I guess I am just not a power Outlook user....
The bloody thing is a confusing mess of 20+ buttons across the top - some beside address area - all over the place. WTF I guess I am just not a power Outlook user....
You will not get the same user experience as an iPad.
At this very moment on my SP3 I've got PhotoShop on one half of the screen. IE on the other - typing this. In the background and a swipe away I've got Visual Studio and Kindle running. I've got another IE tab playing a documentary on YouTube.
The Surface line up should in no way be compared to iPads. They are totally different beasts.
At this very moment on my SP3 I've got PhotoShop on one half of the screen. IE on the other - typing this. In the background and a swipe away I've got Visual Studio and Kindle running. I've got another IE tab playing a documentary on YouTube.
The Surface line up should in no way be compared to iPads. They are totally different beasts.
Huh. I thought OSX was smaller.
Though speaking of the WinSxS folder, that's probably where Windows hoarder tendencies manifest the worst. It's not only where all your important system files are kept, it's also where Windows stuffs the updates before installing them. This wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for Windows wanting to keep all those files around indefinitely until you tell it specifically to delete them. On top of that, it won't delete anything in there unless it's over 30 days old.
Now I can understand why MS does this to a point. They need to keep previous version info and installers around in case an update goes wrong and borks your computer. The thing is, they might be being a little too cautious about it.
Case in point? I just ran disk cleanup. Removing the old updates and temporary files cleared up over 3GB for me.
I used that back in the day. Winlite is the generic term for the suite of programs, I think. They're usually called stuff like XPLite, VistaLite, 7Lite, etc. They do what they advertise, but you really have to know what you're doing to get the most out of them. Playing it safe only removes a few hundred meg. Going too far will end up giving you a Windows install where nothing works right.
Would be very surprised, on the Windows 7 Professional install (which I don't install anything more than one or two applications on it since I only use it now for storing files on other drives) - I remember setting aside around 80 GB for the Windows 7 and after doing a default install and some minor updates it said there was around 60 GB left. Microsoft website says 16GB is the absolute minimum left for Windows 8 install.
If it told me I had 70GB left, it would not have stuck in my memory.
The Swiss currency rocketing up 20% overnight in December probably had an effect. Your tech outlets probably brought in a lot of grey iPhones during December. There are no discounts here.
I did Google it and it seems it's about as common as bent iPhone 6's. Another case of an uncommon issue being used as FUD by the competition (and of course, by the palmrest protector salesmen).
I did Google it and it seems it's about as common as bent iPhone 6's. Another case of an uncommon issue being used as FUD by the competition (and of course, by the palmrest protector salesmen).
Probably more common depending on how often you keep your hands around the home keys typing. I have not had a laptop (last one apple, dell before, toshiba before that) since probably around 2011 (I primarily use my Mac Pro now) -- but I do remember the wear and tear of constantly having sweaty palms rubbing up against it over a period of years and years..... but it was ALL laptops regardless of manufacturer and quality of casing. The only one not to have that problem was my last one -- the macbook pro -- but that was probably because I used an external keyboard with that one more than all the previous.
If you use a laptop and constantly have your sweaty skin pressed/rubbing against it.... I would not be surprised to see noticeable wear.
Of course that would not be a problem with the surface since you are probably going to go through many keyboards and toss them out.... not because of quality... but because of disposability..... I generally replace my keyboard every 18 months or so (right now using a microsoft keyboard)
I was with one of those companies. We all carried our own Lenovo's.
And I also attended a school board meeting whose members (like drunken sailors on shore leave), were hell-bent on spending us into oblivion with a $600 "no discount" iPad for each student. Eventually (and out of shear embarrassment) they were forced to suppress their fanboy-ism and go with something more practical.
I truly wish iOS could do the all the heavy lifting in this world. But it simply can't.
Oh did they improve that? I haven't seen win10 in a while so hopefully they fixed that. I didn't see any folders like the old windows 7 start menu had.
The main issue I had with the start screen on win8 was the lack of folders, the inability to organize things. You just had every single program, subprogram, program setting, uninstall setting, etc splayed out all over the place. I know they pushed search, but honestly sometimes you don't know what you are searching for. IMO this entire start screen/button debate could have been completely solved by simply putting in folders into the start screen. I rather like the start screen and with folders I think I may have just preferred it over the old start menu.
Anyhow if Win10 tech preview has folders in the start menu I'll have to check it out, that would be great. I'll have to see just how well they function versus the Win7 start menu though.
I was with one of those companies. We all carried our own Lenovo's.
And I also attended a school board meeting whose members (like drunken sailors on shore leave), were hell-bent on spending us into oblivion with a $600 "no discount" iPad for each student. Eventually (and out of shear embarrassment) they were forced to suppress their fanboy-ism and go with something more practical.
I truly wish iOS could do the all the heavy lifting in this world. But it simply can't.
It is a problem when people set standards without really working through the use cases. Sometimes it can be a matter of corporations developing inhouse stuff only for one platform, but often it is just trying to make everyone the same.
Microsoft also has been guilty of this with Windows 8.1, which is why most businesses have balked at upgrading -- because it is making the desktop less useable for their use case.
The iPad is a consumption device, it is useful if your primary use is you want something very minimal to read books AND watch videos (reading only books an eInk device would be better), with minimal data entry (some email, some web browsing. It can be used in business when you are primarily are showing research and using it as a menu system (for ordering), but if you start using it to enter more data than just viewing - it really is not the device for you. I have had one for years which I use a couple of times a month for just that purpose. This is actually a very large market.
You then have people that do a lot of typing and data entry and using word processors, excel spreadsheets, coding.... people that spend a lot of time with their hands around the keyboard and mouse (I still prefer an external mouse)..... for these laptops (sans touch) are the ideal use case. I would say around 25% of the iPad market are people that would have been better served by a light laptop (similar to the new macbook) but that slight bit extra weight or bulk is quite annoying. I was on the road for almost 3 years straight and I can still remember thinking I can't wait to dump the laptop. The new Macbook is quite good at serving this need now that it is light and can be used for a full day before recharge. (I would take some extra stuff and leave it in the hotel for a week and only bring the macbook with a light sleeve and no extra devices during the day).
Now I know the Surface has it's audience as well, but personally I would find it annoying if I were in the usecase of an iPad and I brought the tablet with me and the keyboard then when I want to check something -- pull out the tablet, detach the keyboard put it back in the bag. I would also find it annoying if I were in the airport and I was trying to balance the thing on my lap etc. while using it as a laptop - it just would not seem that sturdy to use in that type of arrangement.
For me I have always fell in an either or situation around 95% of the time and I find that having something that is not quite as good for either of those usecases to be.... annoying.
There is no laptop, and no device that would suit me at my desk at home - so when I do need a device it does not have to be a very powerful computer....
I will be transitioning more from an iPad scenario to a laptop scenario again later this year so I will probably go with Macbook.
It is not that the Surface is not interesting or even that it is not great - it is just not something that fits what I see as my usecase.
And as Dell's own research indicated - if you have the Dell XPS touch vs non-touch.... a majority of people don't really want touch in a laptop... those that want touch in a laptop can go with Microsoft.
First, we will never know if magnesium is premium since the keyboard is disposable and not part of the main case. My understanding is that aluminum is better for 2 reasons.
1. Aluminum is more conductive of heat, and thus the case will help dissipate the heat (act like a heat sink).
2. Magnesium casing is more brittle.
I've owned a LOT of Apple devices over the years across their entire product spectrum and I can quite confidently say that the Surface Pro 3 is as good as anything Apple has produced.
The kickstand mechanism deserves some praise too, it's extremely well engineered, I think they nailed it with the SP3 compared to the fixed position(s) of previous generations.
Oh, and there's nothing wrong with Windows. I have been using OS X for many, many years yet I have found myself drifting back towards Windows since Windows 7/8. Regardless of the public perception of Windows 8, it's an extremely strong operating system.