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I don't understand why so many people like Windows 8. The metro UI is totally a disaster. If MS can't innovate or make it better, then don't change it.
That's exactly why people see iOS didn't change much over the years.
-- from someone still using XP in 2012
 
I don't understand why so many people like Windows 8. The metro UI is totally a disaster. If MS can't innovate or make it better, then don't change it.
That's exactly why people see iOS didn't change much over the years.
-- from someone still using XP in 2012
How is it a disaster?

I've been using it since the Developer Preview and I think it's very efficient.
Just takes a bit of getting used too after decades of the same crap being rehashed every few years.

iOS had the benefit of being a new OS and is only 5 years old. Windows is nearly 30 years old.
 
I don't understand why so many people like Windows 8. The metro UI is totally a disaster. If MS can't innovate or make it better, then don't change it.
That's exactly why people see iOS didn't change much over the years.
-- from someone still using XP in 2012

Um, have you used Windows 8/Metro on Xbox or Zune? Metro is probably the most innovative UI to come out since iOS.

I really, really like metro. And when I want to use classic windows explorer, I just click a tab. And boom, I'm back on my desktop.

iOS is VERY badly dated, and needs updating.

And have fun with XP, some of my older machines still run it, but its time hags passed as a serious OS, but it was a great one for about 10 years.
 
Um, have you used Windows 8/Metro on Xbox or Zune? Metro is probably the most innovative UI to come out since iOS.

I really, really like metro. And when I want to use classic windows explorer, I just click a tab. And boom, I'm back on my desktop.

iOS is VERY badly dated, and needs updating.

And have fun with XP, some of my older machines still run it, but its time hags passed as a serious OS, but it was a great one for about 10 years.

Most people just hate change.
We all know everytime MS releases a new OS or upgraded product, it's like they rearrange the furniture in a blind mans house but once you find your bearings, the new layout is better, more flexible and efficient.
 
That's correct and it's an Epic FAIL.

See Logitech Illuminated keyboard.

But my friend is it really that important the backlit ? I dont think they can keep the "slim" profile with these idea, altleast not in these revision.
 
I'm actually considering the Windows RT tablet. I just MIGHT do it. If the pricing is near the rumors, then it's almost a must buy. Especially with regular Windows 8 integration I can still get a regular desktop and use the RT for school
 
Because there's no huge learning curve to learn OS X or iOS. :rolleyes:

The biggest market for Surface is business usage for productivity and integration with business enterprise systems.

The iPad is virtually a toy(remedial appliance) used primarily for web browsing, reading and casual gaming.


The two have separate usage but people who like and are familiar with Windows may get the Surface to use for their casual usage instead of the iPad.

Hmmm. Let's do a test. Take a bunch of 2-3 year olds. How many of them can pick up an iPad and start doing stuff with it almost immediately? When that happens with the Surface (if ever) let me know.

The biggest market for Surface "is business usage for productivity and integration with business enterprise systems?" That's kind of what they were saying about BB a few years ago, wasn't it? Look where that got them.

The Surface RT device is going to integrate? To what?

The Surface Pro can run desktop software, but with a battery life of less than 5 hours (rumors have it at that) who is going to buy it? Why not stick to an Ultrabook or Air?

I guess all 50-100 million of us, as well as most Fortune 500 companies, will simply give up their "remedial appliance" once something comes out with a MS label on it. I don't think so.

The vast majority of us use our devices to surf the web, read, listen to music, watch video, or interact with Facebook or Twitter. It's also nice to have an enormous app ecosystem that gives us an app for basically anything we want.

Corporate IT guys finally realize (through their own use) the potential, and many, many corporate IT app solutions are already out there. And they work pretty darn well integrating with the corporate enterprise. Kind of reminds me of how the iPhone works pretty darn well with Exchange server and BB server.

Lets see where we are one year from now. My money is that is won't be pretty for MS.
 
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Hmmm. Let's do a test. Take a bunch of 2-3 year olds. How many of them can pick up an iPad and start doing stuff with it almost immediately? When that happens with the Surface (if ever) let me know.

The rest is all conjecture and opinion...but this? This is dumb. Like a 2 year old being able to use your device is something be proud of.

"Hey dip****, a 3 year old can get on the internet, now you can get your dumb ass on there too! iPad. We've changed everything again".

Plus I'd say Metro would probably have the advantage over the iPad on this front. What with it being built around colorful, easy to find squares of solid colors, a layout that guides the eye, instantly recognizable symbols, and large font typography, I think a 2 year old would probably ace it fairly quickly.

...and then throw kool-aid up on it. Cuz that's what 2 year olds do.
 
Kind of reminds me of how the iPhone works pretty darn well with Exchange server and BB server.

Lets see where we are one year from now. My money is that is won't be pretty for MS.

Tons of conjecture there for a product that hasn't been released. Kind of reminds me of how the iPhone and iPad were once discussed.

BTW, being a messaging admin, I've yet to work in an environment or meet a single person connecting their iPhones to BES. (I BARELY recall something about RIM releasing an app for the iPhone. Did that ever get released?)

2 things will make the difference for the Enterprise, central management and the development platform. Since most enterprises already have central management in place for MS products, I'm betting MS will slip Surface into SCCM, MOM, etc...as well as include specific GPOs for Surface devices. And the development side, FAR more enterprises have MS devs on staff than they do Apple devs.

Will it do well in the consumer side? My guess is based on the reception I've seen here and at my workplace....yes. (It does surprise me how well it's being recieved I might add.)

Edit: Oh, funny thing happened last year...the CEO walked into a meeting and he was the only one w/o an iPad. He called and insisted we buy him one RIGHT AWAY so he could return back to the meeting, after lunch, w/ an iPad in his hand. The iPad is now collecting dust. Silly old man.
 
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Hmmm. Let's do a test. Take a bunch of 2-3 year olds. How many of them can pick up an iPad and start doing stuff with it almost immediately? When that happens with the Surface (if ever) let me know.

Well, I don't think MS really cares how a 2-3 year old handles a surface. Probably because they don't have money.

The biggest market for Surface "is business usage for productivity and integration with business enterprise systems?" That's kind of what they were saying about BB a few years ago, wasn't it? Look where that got them.

Big difference between a Phone and a Surface Pro.

The Surface RT device is going to integrate? To what?

The surface RT will be more aimed at the consumer/non power user. Not business.

The Surface Pro can run desktop software, but with a battery life of less than 5 hours (rumors have it at that) who is going to buy it? Why not stick to an Ultrabook or Air?

Well, we don't know what the battery life will be yet. We'll have to see. And why? because its more versatile than an Ultrabook. Its very much like the early convertible tablets from the early 2000s

Plus, when your hit your 5 hours, just plug the damn thing in, if its in keyboard mode its most likely on a tablet anyway.


I guess all 50-100 million of us, as well as most Fortune 500 companies, will simply give up their "remedial appliance" once something comes out with a MS label on it. I don't think so.

How many of those iPads are seriously used in business? I think a vast majority of them are not.

Why would large enterprise be interested in the surface pro? It has the advantages of a tablet, and an ultra book. And unlike an iPad, it can run X86 Windows Programs, Windows Dominates Enterprise and business, and many many many companies have in house programs that run on X86 and Windows, its MUCH cheaper for them to buy a machine that can already run all of these programs, than to recompile and redo all of these programs.

The Pro isn't targeting the basic consumer, its targeting business and power users. As far as power goes, it blows away the iPad.


The vast majority of us use our devices to surf the web, read, listen to music, watch video, or interact with Facebook or Twitter. It's also nice to have an enormous app ecosystem that gives us an app for basically anything we want.

Some people do more things with hardware than go on FailBook or ******* ( seriously, Social Media is so stupid, network in real life people ). And For me? Apples software selection is...small. Compared to the Windows side.

And lots of us Power Users want a tablet that not only has legacy compatibility, and tons of power under the hood, we want an eco system full of software that is FAR, FAR larger than Apples. And the Windows Software Library is MUCH larger than Apples. ( This should make sense, Windows has been the most popular OS for about 20 years now )

Corporate IT guys finally realize (through their own use) the potential, and many, many corporate IT app solutions are already out there. And they work pretty darn well integrating with the corporate enterprise. Kind of reminds me of how the iPhone works pretty darn well with Exchange server and BB server.

Some of them realize this, and lots of them realize the iPad also doesn't work in alot of enterprise situations, thats the point of the surface pro, it will be plug and play.

Why change for an iPad? When the surface is plug and play? And has better hardware, and a keyboard?


Another big problem with Apple in Enterprise? Apple only supports their hardware for 3-4 years before your pretty much forced to upgrade. And no, business's don't tend to replace hardware that quickly, you see so many generic dell boxes going on 5-7 sometimes even older in some places, they don't tend to replace hardware until its no longer supported, or fails. Which on the Windows Side is great, but doesn't exist on a the Apple side.
Lets see where we are one year from now. My money is that is won't be pretty for MS.

I heard people say that about Windows 2000, for adding " useless features ", I heard people say, Windows XP will be the death of Microsoft, and I heard people say the XBOX would be a complete failure.

How well did that go again?
 
Well, we don't know what the battery life will be yet. We'll have to see. And why? because its more versatile than an Ultrabook. Its very much like the early convertible tablets from the early 2000s

Unless MS has some hardcore voodoo magic going on behind the scenes, I think 5 hours is about the average we can expect out of the Pro. That's the average battery life of an ultrabook.

I'd be greatly impressed if they can somehow eek out a little more, but that's about what I'm expecting.
 
Unless MS has some hardcore voodoo magic going on behind the scenes, I think 5 hours is about the average we can expect out of the Pro. That's the average battery life of an ultrabook.

I'd be greatly impressed if they can somehow eek out a little more, but that's about what I'm expecting.

True, but you never know for sure, even if its only 5 hours, thats more than enough for me, considering the power under the hood.

I have heard some people say " Oh who would want the surface when we have ipads! "

As the onion would say.

" For people who use computers for actual work, and not just dicking around "
 
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I'll make my decision after the new iPhone is announced. Currently, the Lumia 920 and Microsoft Surface Pro looks like a very compelling alternative to my "new iPad" and iPhone 4. I have a real problem with all of the litigation as of late, as well as the lay offs despite record profits every quarter. If the tech is there, that is the last piece of the puzzle.
 
@steve from twitter:

Windows + >100% scale factor = artifacts, rendering errors, and unusable apps. Apple's Retina being 2x only was genius: http://techreport.com/review/23631/how-windows-8-scaling-fails-on-high-ppi-displays/2

Linux is a kernel, not a platform. There's a hundred thousand variants of a GNU/Linux, and no single driving force. So many seem to think that developers are only motivated by money. That's never been true for Mac/iOS. The best devs are there for love. That is why MacOS always had the superior apps, OS X always had superior apps and why iOS will always have the superior apps. No competition!
 
Bizarre advert - apart from the docking of keyboard to screen, the first half-minute makes little sense.

The vibe of the advert is all wrong, even if it looks polished. It doesn't know what it's really trying to convey. Mercury beads floating? Metal shavings being blown by the wind?

Never mind the tacky, half-baked touch-GUI... Windows 3.1 looked better... note how THAT is kept hidden until the end, and despite the garish use of purple and other colors, it's kept so far back in the background you can't see it. So I will call it "misadvertising" along with "what the heck is it doing for 64 seconds"... Microsoft could be scared, so it's trying a glossy show and keeping the actual product's foibles shrouded.

I'm hardly convinced, but for most adverts I see nowadays they all seem disingenuous... that's the word. Disingenuous...

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@steve from twitter:

Windows + >100% scale factor = artifacts, rendering errors, and unusable apps. Apple's Retina being 2x only was genius: http://techreport.com/review/23631/how-windows-8-scaling-fails-on-high-ppi-displays/2

Linux is a kernel, not a platform. There's a hundred thousand variants of a GNU/Linux, and no single driving force. So many seem to think that developers are only motivated by money. That's never been true for Mac/iOS. The best devs are there for love. That is why MacOS always had the superior apps, OS X always had superior apps and why iOS will always have the superior apps. No competition!

Humans are there for love.

Computers are tools to be used and for self-gain.

Methinks society has things running the opposite way around...
 
I'm hardly convinced, but for most adverts I see nowadays they all seem disingenuous... that's the word. Disingenuous...

Overly flashy would be the word I'd go for. This advert was all about showing off the hardware itself. The shape, the look, the...liquid mercury balls it apparently comes with. MS isn't hiding the look of Windows 8, since they're more than happy to show it off in the other adverts they've shown.
 
First ad for the Surface


Near the end, the release date is announced
10/26/2012

I wonder if Microsoft will sell this "at-cost" like Amazon, Google, Barnes & Noble.
 
First ad for the Surface


Near the end, the release date is announced
10/26/2012

I wonder if Microsoft will sell this "at-cost" like Amazon, Google, Barnes & Noble.

If they do, it's suicide. I'd rather they sell it at $399 with the covers as a $99 accessory. Let it be premium. They'll sell out all 3 million. Build up demand like Apple did with the iPad in 2010 and eventually the demand will rise for 10-20 million of these things. But to give in right away and sell these at cost is admitting defeat to Apple.
 
If they do, it's suicide.

Why is it suicide to sell the device at cost?


I'd rather they sell it at $399 with the covers as a $99 accessory. Let it be premium. They'll sell out all 3 million. Build up demand like Apple did with the iPad in 2010 and eventually the demand will rise for 10-20 million of these things. But to give in right away and sell these at cost is admitting defeat to Apple.

If it's premium price for a premium device, it won't sell as well.

A premium device selling at cost will sell a lot better. At this stage in the game, market share is important to Microsoft. Profits can come later on when Microsoft establish Windows as the third mobile OS. Right now, Windows has a 4% market share in smartphone/tablets.

Of course, if the Surface is priced at cost, it will benefit consumers.
 
First ad for the Surface


Near the end, the release date is announced
10/26/2012

I wonder if Microsoft will sell this "at-cost" like Amazon, Google, Barnes & Noble.
I was with the ad until they started dancing, then it went from serious tech to Pringles chips.
 
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