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No.

Microsoft is hoping for a Grand Slam with this product. But, unless I'm much mistaken, they've managed (at best) a sacrifice fly. Its a shame, because MS has done some cool things with these products (there's one problem..more on that later) and they are to be applauded for not simply slavishly copying the iPad the way some companies (cough, cough, Samsung) have done. But there are some real problems.

1) Price. "Competitive with other tablets" means starting at $500. But the fact that Microsoft didn't come out and say exactly when the things were going on sale, and for how much, is an indication that it a) won't be soon and b) is likely to be more than the $500 of the intro iPad.

2) Retail. There is now a worldwide network of Apple stores, perfectly set up to demonstrate and sell the latest Apple products. Microsoft has, at most, a handful of retail stores. Instead, the heavy-lifting of selling the Surface is going to be left to the delights of Best Buy and PC World. Good luck with that.

3) Bifurcation. We consumers are simple folk. And too much choice confuses and scares us. And so bringing out both Intel and ARM versions of this device, at wildly different price points, and with wildly different capabilities, is going to confuse a lot of people. Do I need a $1200 Surface version of an iMac or do I need a $600 Surface version of the iPad? One name - two products. Not a good idea from a marketing standpoint.

4) Software. If MS is hoping to steal consumers away from the iPad, they left one huge topic completely off the Agenda today: Apps. There are now over 200,000 iPad-optimized Apps, with a healthy developer/consumer ecosystem growing like a weed. Unless Microsoft can make the Surface ($600 ARM version) appealing to the developer community, its going to be plagued by the same lack of software that has relegated the Mac to perpetual after-ran status in the PC market.

5) Size: Lets just say this one more time: The widescreen 10.1 inch form factor is horrible to carry. Looks goofy in portrait mode. And doesn't fit well in backpacks. Its good for ONE thing, watching movies.

On the plus side? The kickstand is a neat addition, but not a deal maker. The stylus integration is nice, but it (apparently) only works on the $1200 version.

The Surface will probably sell in the millions. But the problem (and why I described it as a sacrifice-fly) is that these sales will essentially cannibalize PC sales. People will buy a Surface instead of a new PC. Maybe not a disaster for Microsoft, but hardly a threat to Apple.
 
1920 x 1080, I'll take it! :)

This fills my need for a device that is as portable as a tablet, but hopefully can give me my laptop applications as I need them. Since not all my app's have an ipad companion version yet.

Then I can stop taking my laptop to work everyday.

According to the verge the RT versions resolution is 1366 x 768. That's barely 720P
 
1920 x 1080, I'll take it! :)

This fills my need for a device that is as portable as a tablet, but hopefully can give me my laptop applications as I need them. Since not all my app's have an ipad companion version yet.

Then I can stop taking my laptop to work everyday.

Just as long as you don't forget to bring the massive wall wart power supply with you.
 
Judging by all the pro Microsoft comments in this Mac forum I think Redmond must have given everyone the afternoon off so they could come post on here lol. Thanks but I think I'll keep my lovely new iPad if you don't mind.

If you really think that, you're either a troll or high.

Go look at the comment history of everyone posting here. We are all huge mac fans.

However, we are not the stereotypical fanboys. When credit is deserved, credit is what we will give, be it microsoft or someone else.

The reason there is so much hate against android is because it's a blatant ripoff.... Microsoft did something different and original with WP7 and Windows 8. While windows 8 may feel awkward with a mouse, it's most definitely great on a touch surface, and thus deserves credit.

On top of all this, microsoft actually integrated hardware and software for once! :O This is totally unexpected, and is one of the reasons I really like Apple, because integrated hardware and software work VERY well together. :D
 
not used to choice

Except RT and Pro are running on two very different, incompatible CPU architectures with different ecosystems.

I can easily picture someone getting a "Windows" tablet thinking it'll run the old x86 software and shocked that it cannot run any old programs.


On top of all this, microsoft actually integrated hardware and software for once! :O This is totally unexpected, and is one of the reasons I really like Apple, because integrated hardware and software work VERY well together. :D

I agree and disagree. It is Microsoft's product but other than the kickstand, I don't see what really differentiates this product from other million Windows 8 tablets that have been announced. But I guess the kickstand and keyboard are the point of this thing ala Asus Transformer.
 
If apple would have came out and announced this exact tablet with iOS you would all be talking how incredible and innovative it is.

Uh, no. I'd be saying, "Apple, you ignorant slut. You get rid of the efficient and effective on screen keyboard for an external?" This Windows tablet MUST have a virtual keyboard. How limiting that would be for mobility sake.

"The video! It does nothing for my eyes!"
 
Silly side note:

I was watching the live blog and they had pictures of the audience...presumably reporters, bloggers, etc.

And everyone was using an Apple laptop!!!:eek:

It was hysterical!:D
 
the ad is irritating and did you notice that when the keyboard changed colours the unit moved a bit…not the greatest film production

however the cover keyboard is quite slick…but perhaps a bit impractical. You can really only type on a desk like surface and your neck will be killing you looking down like that.
 
Battery life? Will be interesting.

I'm a little surprised in a good way. Didn't think Microsoft had this in them. They spent way too long in their presentation talking about the keyboard though. They still don't understand ecosystem, content, apps.

We'll see.

Don't confuse this with Windows Phone and app centric echosystems like IOS or Android. There will be a lot of dual mode programs (like the new Office). The entry level more iPad like version won't run legacy Windows programs. This is also an incentive for developers to work forwards instead of staying in the comfort zone. I think you'll see a much better blend of desktop applications than you will ever see with IOS or Android. Will there be a full blown photoshop running on arm? Nah, but when someone buys a future version of Photoshop for their desktop, it is likely they'll be able to install an RT version on their tablet. Microsoft's marketshare in desktops will really give them an edge...without an echo system like the app store or Google Play.

Looks cool. However, Microsoft marketing team- that video is not the way to showcase the device. I'd watch an archaeology show if I wanted to see rocks chipped away at.

I don't know why you have negative votes. This is typical MS. It's like the Windows Phone ads all over again... it doesn't show what the product does or show the product in action.

However, the rocks were much better than two guys at a urinal looking at phones we never saw do anything.

It took more than 2 years, but the iPad actually has some decent competition finally.

I think this is really going to be good competition for the iPad, and maybe the kick in the pants Apple needs to push the iPad in it's own direction rather than it just being an oversized iPod touch. You know, little things like keyboard and mouse support (the bt keyboards work but not well), developer freedom to make more full bodies apps, etc.

Props to Microsoft for designing something different instead of just copying, unlike other manufactures. ;)

Hmm. Yes. they took the lower half of a laptop, chopped off the keyboard and put the display there. Oh, with a very original black bezel. I would not be counting on design awards for this device.... thought it does look good. Original? Nah.
 

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It's 17 mm thick

Surface for Windows RT tablet
Processor: NVIDIA-made ARM chip
Weight: 676 grams
Thickness: 9.3 millimeters
Display: 10.6-inch ClearType HD capactive touchpanel
Battery: 31.5Wh
I/O: microSD, USB 2.0, Micro HD Video, 2x2 MIMO antennae
Software: Windows RT + Office Home & Student 2013 RT
Accessories: Touch Cover, Type Cover, VaporMg Case & Stand
Capacity: 32GB / 64GB
Availability: "Around" the Windows 8 launch (fall 2012)
Pricing: To be determined


Surface for Windows 8 Pro tablet
Processor: Intel Core i5 (Ivy Bridge)
Weight: 903 grams
Thickness: 13.5 millimeters
Display: 10.6-inch ClearType Full HD (1080p) capactive touchpanel
Battery: 42Wh
I/O: microSDXC, USB 3.0, Mini DisplayPort, 2x2 MIMO antennae
Software: Windows 8 Pro
Accessories: Touch Cover, Type Cover, VaporMg Case & Stand, Pen with Palm Block
Capacity: 64GB / 128GB
Availability: "Three months after" the Windows 8 launch this fall
Pricing: To be determined


Stop trolling
 
That ad was awful. Neat visuals and sound effects but half a second of what it actually does? :confused:
 
haha, lots of haters on here as expected I guess. But I like this, be a hell of a device if the Pro version can run Diablo...

I think this is a good device from Microsoft, and it'll be priced well matching ultra books. This is more a shot at the 11" MacBook Air with an iPad twist i think.

I'm not a hater, but I'm no MS fanboy either. I actually would love another company to "truly" innovate in this and other spaces (if it would be MS then so be it)...but even if this is a "good" device...that's not "good" enough. When a market is dominated so thoroughly...good is not enough. It has to be multiples better. BetaMax was better than VHS. OS X was better than XP. Diesels are better than gassers... you get the point. Even though we can debate which of those are "actually" better or not, the point remains that just the fact you can debate such things leads to them not having what it takes to overtake the leader.

This is not a market changer. It's not offering some radical experience changing model. It's a PC. Even ICS is more of a competition to Apple. Look...before the iPad (and even when the iPad was announced) everyone said that no one needed a tablet. Why? Because they thought of the MS-style tablets of that day and age. The iPad changed what people expected from a tablet. Does this device do that for you? I haven't fully made up my mind on that just yet...but I don't think it does so far with what I've seen and read. It might be nice...but it's no life or lifestyle changer. Time will tell...but I think this is more Zune than XBox 360...
 
This basically reminds me of Apple during the Clone days. Apple made hardware specifically designed for the OS, but also let other companies make clones. The clones could be priced much cheaper, so people would buy them instead of the actual Macintosh, which was priced a bit higher.

Now we have Microsoft, who only made the OS until today and licensed it to other manufacturers. The other manufacturers could price their machines at $50 if they wanted to. Now they release their own machine, which will most likely be built just for Windows so compatibility issues will be pretty much gone, but unless they price it competitive with the other companies making Windows 8 tablets, it's not going to fly.

I mean, yeah, it's about time MS made their own hardware to work with their OS. Less hardware variations means better compatibility. It's been Apple's stance since the beginning minus the years where Apple was sans Jobs.

I wish them the best. Only because I want to see how Apple reacts. They've always had completely different views of where we should be going.
 
How much money has the XBOX division made for MS in its lifetime (we won't even go into how much money they lost on the Zune)? Go educate yourself and then we'll see who's the real "fanboy"...

So how much money has the circa 90 million Xbox consoles Microsoft has sold since the first Xbox made?? Plus the Xbox Gold subscriptions and games sales then? I guess you would say something like 3 pence.

Well at least Microsoft don't slap 30% take on it's apps, or mark up it's devices a LOT. If Apple made a device like this with an i5 in it I can bet it would cost at least double what Microsoft is going to charge for it, oh and be classed as 'revolutionary'...
 
This looks great! For me, the digital ink is a great feature. Of course, we have yet to see how well it performs. Even so, this has potential. In ways, this makes the iPad look like a toy. And, by the way, I love my iPad.

But digital ink only works on the more expensive version, correct?

I didn't quite understand that from the wobbly specs, but according to reports:

The unit will come in both an Intel version running Windows 8 or an ARM variant running Windows RT. The Intel version is slighly thicker and heavier at 13.5mm and 1.9lb compared with 1.5lbs and 9.3mm for the ARM version. The Intel unit will also support a dual digitiser setup that supports both touch and Digital Ink with an active pen and also USB 3.0.

http://the-gadgeteer.com/2012/06/18/microsoft-surface-the-cure-all-tablet/
 
Errr, anyone remember the ORIGINAL Microsoft Surface?

I do. IMO it was the most innovative concept MS ever had -- collaborative computing. Unfortunately, it seemed like MS didn't know how to market it and the idea faded away. Now the name is back, but not the collaborative concept.
 
On top of all this, microsoft actually integrated hardware and software for once! :O This is totally unexpected, and is one of the reasons I really like Apple, because integrated hardware and software work VERY well together. :D

For the second time at least. They "kind of " did this for Xbox and Xbox 360, which arguably have been successes. (Although their hardware bungling and frying 360s cost them all their profits for a while). If they are able to do this for the tablet market without the costly mistake, it could go very well for them.
 
it feels like windows 8 was designed with this device in mind. all of the criticisms i had of it having an identity crisis between desktop and tablet (which still stand in a desktop environment) are remedied by this
 
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