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Microsoft Announces Outlook for Mac is Now Free to Use
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What requires Mac OS 11? Current versions of Outlook work just fine with Mac OS 13.Blah. Requires MacOS 11. Oh well back to Apple mail.
Vs reporting to Abuse@iCloud which is only a feel good waste of time. How else could any company analyze suspicious email without , you know, analyzing it?
I'd love to get a one time fee for a competent suite of native apps. I pay annually and I get Outlook.com wrapped up inside of a React Native wrapper floating on my desktop. But at least that same fate lies ahead for Outlook in Windows as well!
You are the product. Your data gets sold to third party MS business partners.There is none. It's 100% free now just like the Windows version is. They're also adding menu bar functionality too and widgets.
Microsoft optimizes Outlook for M1 and M2 Macs, teases menu bar 'peek' feature
You no longer need a Microsoft 365 or other license to use Microsoft's robust email client.www.macworld.com
Personally I don't like One Outlook or it's new UI. It looks like they hired children to draft it. But if you want to give it a shot with Yahoo you will need to log in, go into the security preferences in the webmail and create an app password for use with Outlook. The user login password you use at mail.yahoo.com will not work with the Outlook client.
The wrapperized version of Outlook is "new Outlook" and in time it will roll out to all users. https://www.techspot.com/news/88174...le-outlook-client-works-across-platforms.html
It's not a progressive web apps much as outlook.com code rendered in WebView2 which will be packaged inside of a ReactNative wrapper.
The free version isn't truly free. As always the end user's data is subject to being the product, but the free version has ADs that either populate in your inbox like an email or in a sideview pane, based o user preference.
Its faster, cheaper, and easier for engineers to develop for the lowest common denominator: a website and then engineer a way to trick people into thinking its a native app so they can still charge you $99 manually for their software. Even Apple does this. I use to use Pages 09 all the time. Best word processor and page layout tool since AppleWorks, but they just had to have a web and iPad version. So they built a web applet and pushed it to MacOS and iOS. Some features were added back late last year after waiting 9 years for feature parity. Some features never returned. And the app is practically unusable and not at all fun to use anymore. That is going to be Outlook. A bundle of watered down headaches and missing features that we will have to pay money for.
Every now and then when I get bored, I mess around with outlook a little bit, mainly because I've always used it at work (and consider myself a pro when it comes to using rules to keep my inbox clean). I gave this a go and while the calendar integration seems great (using my gmail account, I'm able to sync my calendar across my phone, mac and windows calendar on my work machine already) - this doesn't support rules at all, making it an automatic no-go for me.
Outlook for iOS is still the app to beat on mobile IMO, but I've been using Apple's default Mail/Calendar apps for a while now at home and they do the job just fine. MS would have to relent on the rules and then I'd have to seriously see how good the calendar integration is before I'd ever consider Outlook (don't use the default windows calendar app on my work machine hardly at all, so the integration--while novel--isn't exactly a dealbreaker)
Outlook for iOS is still the app to beat on mobile IMO, but I've been using Apple's default Mail/Calendar apps for a while now at home and they do the job just fine. MS would have to relent on the rules and then I'd have to seriously see how good the calendar integration is before I'd ever consider Outlook (don't use the default windows calendar app on my work machine hardly at all, so the integration--while novel--isn't exactly a dealbreaker)
What makes you say that it is not a React Native app? It’s definitely different than the outlook.com web site though there is a family resemblance.
What makes you say that it is not a React Native app? It’s definitely different than the outlook.com web site though there is a family resemblance.
See image above for how the web code will be embedded inside the React Native wrapper.
I said specifically that it is React Native because it’s already laid out by Microsoft. It’s large tracts of Outlook.com in Webview2 (Windows) and WebView for MacOS and that sits inside of a React Native wrapper to provide “native bridge” and system API hooks so they can call it a “native” desktop app. If you see the rollout of “New Outlook” released in May then you will see the deep resemblance to Outlook.com.
It rolled out and I had a use call the help desk complaining that her shared folder wouldn’t load in Outlook. When I remotely viewed her PC I could have sworn she was using Outlook.com as a PWA. But nope. It was the latest rollout of the client and it was remarkably like Outlook.com.
So the webification is coming. We’ve known that since the announcement of One Outlook when it was Project Monarch. We know the website is the lowest common denominator from which the apps build to mimic. And it’s the watered down website that they try to beef up by adding features back from the native client.
Apple did this with Pages, Numbers, etc. for iWork suite. Last year they added nine features back to Pages. It took them nine years to get them back. Pages isn’t intuitive, powerful, or fun to use anymore. It doesn’t seemlessly combine the power of a word processor and a page maker in an app that seems both simplistic at a glance, but deeply powerful as you drill down.
This will be Outlook. A watered down website in a box because it’s a way to make a platform agnostic app with feature parity and “consistency” as Microsoft calls it.
But it will no longer be fast, fluid, or powerful under the hood with loads of rich features as the client is for the Enterprise environment today. Lots of those features will be lost. The least of which will be third party plugins. If the dev hasn’t created a web version of the plug-in then it won’t be supported (because floating website pretending to be an app).
What you won’t see is a windows only client built from the ground up in “C” with optimized 64 bit only code and tons of bugs squashed. Or a ground up MacOS client programmed in Swift with windows feature parity.
But that’s okay. We live in the world of toy web dev. This is what a trillion dollar company gives us in exchange for paying a subscription or ongoing license fee to use its product as a service.
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Today, I installed Microsoft Outlook for Mac to try it. All was well when I added my outlook.com account. However, this app is downright scary if you try to add your other email accounts. For example, when I attempted to add my gmail.com account, I was confronted with a Google account sign-in notice that Microsoft apps and services would be able to access and delete not just all my Google emails but also all my Google Drive files. And this happened after I chose not to sync with Microsoft cloud but sync directly with Google (the other option on the previous screen).
So, basically if you add your gmail.com account to Outlook, Google is warning you that you effectively authorize Microsoft to have unfettered access to all your Google files and emails and you specifically grant Microsoft the ability to delete your files at will. If you click on the more info signs next to each warning, Google explains that after signing in, Microsoft will have the same rights to your Google account as you.
Has anyone else noticed this anomaly? If so, did you just proceed to the next step, ignore the warning, and hope for the best? I was hoping to use Outlook for all my email accounts because of superior UI and features compared to Apple Mail. However, it appears I will only be using it for Microsoft email.
So, basically if you add your gmail.com account to Outlook, Google is warning you that you effectively authorize Microsoft to have unfettered access to all your Google files and emails and you specifically grant Microsoft the ability to delete your files at will. If you click on the more info signs next to each warning, Google explains that after signing in, Microsoft will have the same rights to your Google account as you.
Has anyone else noticed this anomaly? If so, did you just proceed to the next step, ignore the warning, and hope for the best? I was hoping to use Outlook for all my email accounts because of superior UI and features compared to Apple Mail. However, it appears I will only be using it for Microsoft email.
I have not tried to add gmail to outlook, but this could be a result of how the permissions are setup. If connecting requires outlook to be able to have read/write access to google drive, then the implies the ability to delete, as well.
I might be on the wrong track here, but I think I've gotten very similar prompts when connecting other third party clients to Gmail.
I would also assume that this is expected behaviour if you want to use your account through another service, ie if you want to read and delete your stuff through Outlook, it needs to be able to do so.
No idea why this includes Drive, but I haven't used Outlook with Gmail on a Mac in quite some time.
This is standard oath app access to Google. Google does this to avoid insecure methods like IMAP or POP which are based on a single password and likely compromised. The more scary part is how Google has your information and uses it for advertising. Last I heard Google’s revenue is 78% advertising.
This version isn't the choice in the enterprise. At the IT service desk, we are reverting back to legacy all the time for people who find "New Outlook" having inserted itself. It's a horrible software mostly written in WEB and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemies. It's not designed at all to get any work done. Like most web-flavored apps pretending to be native software, it falls short in so many places that it's crazy they let it out into the enterprise for testing.
When I brought up the web-flavored shortcomings on the MS community forum, an MS moderator tried to gaslight me into saying that people don't like it when their workflow changes. I wish it were about that. If it were a native application they could put the buttons anywhere they pleased because it would work in real time.
The new outlook isn’t so different and definitely not any less productive. It is mostly just a visual change.
Still, no. If they build a native app and have feature parity maybe. The only place it beats Apple Mail is security.
You can’t use Apple Mail in an enterprise environment because it’s built in security isn’t robust enough. But Apple Mail is a native app and works and responds like one. New Outlook can’t beat that. No web heavy app can.
No you are so wrong that I wonder if you know what you’re talking about. New Outlook is OWA (Outlook Web App), containerized in a React Native wrapper, and synced using Microsoft Sync Technology (MST).
All the HTML and JS is parsed using WebView2 in the web components (which is most of it) and the few non web components, are handled by the React Native and its bridge.
The result is an app that doesn’t natively push attachments to the device default MIME handling, windows that don’t match MacOS and a very limited task bar that they couldn’t even implement the ribbon properly so you’re stuck with the toddler toolbar.
It’s not a native software. It doesn’t behave natively and it’s worse than what came before. So sorry it’s not just a new coat of paint.
Yes this seems to be because of the web based nature of New Outlook. It isn’t a true stand alone native client.
It seems MS accesses the GMail data and passes it through to the Web Based app where it’s parsed. That would be my guess. Because it’s not a client on your desktop just going into the web. There’s no separate sync it’s all Microsoft Sync Technology and WebView2 bundled into a container. It’s partly why you can’t get an OLM or PST export from the new client. Because it’s an entirely different way of caching local files.
Apple Mail is far better than Outlook anyway. Used to use Outlook. Like all MS software, it's unstable, frequently crashes. The only reason I didn't switch to Apple Mail years ago is because I only found out it existed last year.
Oh, I know it’s not native but that just doesn’t get in the way. The native app was pretty limited as well so I don’t see much lost. It may be because I’m using it for corporate email with an MS 365 email server. For personal gmail, I prefer Mimestream. I use separate apps for personal and private accounts.