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Thats an odd one, given that we are talking about a high-end professional workstation that will be priced out of most prosumers (and even professionals) reach.

not an odd one at all, considering the current generation mac pro has very little internal upgradability options.
The big fear going forward was that Apple would eliminate upgradability alltogether even in their pro workstations, so i’ll take the 2019 mac pro as a good sign ... price notwithstanding
 
Apple would rather sell you a new laptop then have you repair your existing machine, OR charge you an obscenely large repair bill for some simple fixes. Tim Cook as complained that people were fixing their iPhones instead of getting a new one once, while this comment was for phones and not laptops, the idea is the same

I will say that I was surprised by the MS move, because Microsoft basically copied Apple's business model for laptops. Very expensive computers that are virtually sealed. Its a welcome change nonetheless.

Microsoft very likely wants to increase corporate sales of Surface. In many instances data protection will prohibit systems where drives are not capable of being physically removed. Panos himself stated he hates "trapdoors, hatches" etc. yet Surface Pro X has the very same.

Local IT will be able to remove the drive and get the user up and running rapidly with a replacement machine, while the defective system is sent out for repair/replacement with no possibility of data being compromised.

Same reason why many veto Apple's portables as the drives are not removable in the event of a failure. Apple has no real interest in this market, however Apple does have a vested interest in driving further sales by such anti consumer strategies. Even an insignificant issue now will result in a very significant repair bill, with most deferring for a new notebook which IMHO is exactly what Apple wants; timebound, disposable with great margins and blocking all 3rd party repair alternatives...

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They tried to go magnesium , now they have aluminium, they tried to go alcantara, now they go aluminium...so i guess Microsoft just trying things but in the end gets where Apple is doing
SO , no, apple will not follow microsoft
 
They tried to go magnesium , now they have aluminium, they tried to go alcantara, now they go aluminium...so i guess Microsoft just trying things but in the end gets where Apple is doing
SO , no, apple will not follow microsoft
I understand your post: Though the alcantera models still exist.

Actually, Catalina and iOS 13 are being compared to Vista. So Apple may not want to copy MS, but unfortunately may very well be doing so with the deployment of buggy-OS. That is what happens when you dissolve the desktop OS team and transfer the person who was cracking the bug fixing whip to a conpletely different department.

Not saying MS is any better (as they also are deploying a buggy OS), but can't really see spending more for less:oops:
 
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They tried to go magnesium , now they have aluminium, they tried to go alcantara, now they go aluminium...so i guess Microsoft just trying things but in the end gets where Apple is doing
SO , no, apple will not follow microsoft
The surface Book and Surface Pro are still using Magnesium, as is the new Pro X. The surface Laptop has used Aluminium from the start (cheaper?), the Alcantara Laptop models still exist, but are now optional, and the Surface Pro and Surface Go still have Alcantara keyboard covers, so, I don't really know what point you were trying to make, but you're wrong anyway...
 
The surface Book and Surface Pro are still using Magnesium, as is the new Pro X. The surface Laptop has used Aluminium from the start (cheaper?), the Alcantara Laptop models still exist, but are now optional, and the Surface Pro and Surface Go still have Alcantara keyboard covers, so, I don't really know what point you were trying to make, but you're wrong anyway...
His post was a strained attempt to say that nothing Microsoft does is original, and in the end all they do is copy Apple.

Obviously wrong.

For starters, all you have to do is look at their OS, which unlike apple is shared across computer and tablet lines, and then the XBox, which has been very successful and clearly not a copy of ANYTHING apple does.

Some people feel the need to bash Microsoft as a way of saying how great their beloved Apple is. Are they right sometimes? Sure, but they’re also wrong at times too.

I think its because they have such an unhealthy emotional connection to apple that they need to bash MS to make themselves feel better or something. In the end, they’re all just multi billion dollar companies. Why some people hang their self worth on one company or another is beyond me.
 
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I think its because they have such an unhealthy emotional connection to apple that they need to bash MS to make themselves feel better or something. In the end, they’re all just multi billion dollar companies. Why some people hang their self worth on one company or another is beyond me.


Rightly or wrongly for many people the prices of Apple product mean that there is an emotional attachment, not just a financial one.
 
Rightly or wrongly for many people the prices of Apple product mean that there is an emotional attachment, not just a financial one.

That's a lot of it, with many feeling compelled to justify their purchase decision. If one is not concerned with the cost there is far less reason to be concerned or antagonistic. There's no real rights or wrongs, equally improving the process of reparability/upgradeability by far benefits more than it will ever negatively impact, as does expanding the options for the user.

Aluminium over Magnesium, simple answer the former is the cheaper process and Microsoft wants the SL line to appeal to a larger audience. Alcantara versus base metal finish, some simply don't care for or want a fabric finish and Microsoft does listen to it's users, especially the corporate ones, where sales volumes can be in the tens of thousands.

Microsoft has slowly positioned Surface to be a compelling product that is now more likely to be considered by corporate & business users with an OS that works in the Enterprise.

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Rightly or wrongly for many people the prices of Apple product mean that there is an emotional attachment, not just a financial one.
I don't think price has much to do with it, the platform wars of yesteryear are a prime example where Apple was more affordable, but yet we saw (on both sides), some significant clashes and heated exchanges.

We all want to justify our own choices, and so I think we all have emotional attachments and want to validate that we made the right decision. Sadly for some, its black and white, they made the correct decision, so that means the other person made the wrong decision. Those types of discussions go down hill pretty fast.

For some, apple can do no wrong, and its hard to have a dialog with people not willing to have an open mind, likewise people who think apple can do no right and PCs are the way, are no better.

I'm sure I've failed it at times, but I try to travel the middle ground where I see Apple's failings, but I also see their advantages, and I also see the advantages/disadvantages of the pc world.
 
The surface Book and Surface Pro are still using Magnesium, as is the new Pro X. The surface Laptop has used Aluminium from the start (cheaper?), the Alcantara Laptop models still exist, but are now optional, and the Surface Pro and Surface Go still have Alcantara keyboard covers, so, I don't really know what point you were trying to make, but you're wrong anyway...
Alcantara was always an odd choice. I have no firsthand experience with this device, but generally, alcantara definitely shows wear, so I didn’t understand why they’d put in on the most used Surface surface.
 
Alcantara was always an odd choice. I have no firsthand experience with this device, but generally, alcantara definitely shows wear, so I didn’t understand why they’d put in on the most used Surface surface.
The same reason why sports car manufacturers put alcantara on the steering wheel & seats.
 
The decice that replace your laptop surface pro...after some low sales...we give you the ultimate laptop the surface book ..but but you said that surface pro is the future that replace our laptops...after that we give you surface laptop...now in 13” and 15”
But but the 15” is using lower power cpu than 45w...next year we will give you the 45w 15” laptop why? Because we didn’t know apple is using 45w cpu and vega20 and not vega11..
We tried alcantara but lets copy apple and go alum because they know better ..but but what about the device that replace our laptop??? Now,we have a true laptop form and the ultimate laptop is gone? Because of the odd hinge etc? I guess the choice for alcantara will be gone too since probably 5% of the people will choice that if they now can go alum
This is microsoft..no clear direction just trying things but in the end they will offer what the big Mother offers
I guess if Apple releases 16” ,microsoft will and should release that too
 
I've repaired my fair share or ipads and iphones, cameras etc, but to be honest, nowadays this sort of thing really doesn't appeal to me and I think I'm in the majority.
I've changed screens on the early ipads more than 5 times and on the early iphones but the screens were often poor quality, the buttons never worked quite the same, the glue never quite stuck properly for long and there were often problems with mics or speakers afterwards.
Yes when computers were the size of a small car we could open them up and slip in a new graphics card, but that was partly because of their size, the parts were generic and even then sometimes there were problems with drivers or compatibility.
But how many people faced with a broken TV, vacuum cleaner, fridge or microwave oven, whip the back off and expect to be able to repair it? We've got used to it with computers but really, we shouldn't be anymore.
These things have become so small, fragile, infinitely complex and full of proprietary parts that are intentionally difficult to get for security reasons, that for by a wide margin, the vast majority of people are way better off leaving it to the experts.
Nowadays I buy Apple care and let them get on with it. They've never ripped me off and what's more in many cases, they give you an entirely new device.
Even when I've paid for a repair out of warrantee the price has been reasonable.
I understand the people that still hark for the old days or for the minority that are proficient with micro-soldering, but for well over 99% of customers, this isn't something they would ever want to do any more.
And frankly, probably shouldn't.
 
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Most luxury auto groups are moving away from it on high wear surfaces now and leaving it areas such as headliners—this is because it does show wear.

Also, do you really think the material that MS is/was sourcing is the same as that used in high-end Audis & Lambos.

No they are not. Lots of luxury cars still use Alcantara in abundance.
And why questioning if the Alcantara sourced by MS is the same as used in cars? It seems you are steering away from the original track here 😉
 
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No they are not. Lots of luxury cars still use Alcantara in abundance.
And why questioning if the Alcantara sourced by MS is the same as used in cars? It seems you are steering away from the original track here 😉
I see what you did there. (Nice.)

I guess my point is that it isn’t all created equally, and it’s a material that many are now saying doesn’t wear well. (Reddit and Windows forums confirm this.)

I thought the choice was more about being en vogue than one of practical longevity.

Ultimately though, not my circus; not my monkeys.
 
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