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Microsoft Barring Many of its Employees from Buying Apple Products with Company Funds?

Renzatic said:
Yup, but the core of Windows is still built around and heavily reliant upon the old Win32 API. I don't think MS is going to move away from it completely until Windows 9, and that's at the very earliest.
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Why do they need to "move away from" an API set that is perfectly functional, and has evolved to meet changing needs? (And, in fact, has been superseded by .NET quite some time ago.)

Some people here trumpet that Apple OSX has a UNIX core, even though that "UNIX core" is based on UNIX APIs from 40 years ago.

Will Apple OSXI get rid of the UNIX core?
 
AidenShaw said:
Why do they need to "move away from" an API set that is perfectly functional, and has evolved to meet changing needs? (And, in fact, has been superseded by .NET quite some time ago.)

Some people here trumpet that Apple OSX has a UNIX core, even though that "UNIX core" is based on UNIX APIs from 40 years ago.

Will Apple OSXI get rid of the UNIX core?
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Simplicity? Being able to do more with less lines of code is one of the main driving forces behind the move to WinRT, is it not?
 
Renzatic said:
Simplicity? Being able to do more with less lines of code is one of the main driving forces behind the move to WinRT, is it not?
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But, in what way does introducing a new API require deprecating (or even worse, eliminating) an existing, widely used API?

Unless it's Apple OSX, of course....

ps: Grammar Nazi aside - you should have said "fewer" lines of code, not "less" lines of code.
 
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I wonder if Apple uses MS office, Windows Server, Exchange, SQL Server. Do iPhones/iPads have Exchange integration? Do apple actually pay for it??
 
AidenShaw said:
But, in what way does introducing a new API require deprecating (or even worse, eliminating) an existing, widely used API?
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Pardon any mistakes I make here, because as far as programming is concerned, I'm only a semi-educated barely better than a drooling idiot here, but I believe WinRT isn't a completely new API. Rather it's the streamlined, modernized, souped up, cleaned up version of Win32. The base is similar enough that anyone used to the old API will be comfortable with it, but different enough to require what's basically a whole new platform. Hence why Windows 8 feels so transitional. You've got the old and the new running side by side so everyone can slide in from one to the other with only a minimal amount of fuss.

As to why they're replacing a tried and true API for something else entirely? Eh. Search me. I'm pretty sure MS has at least a fairly decent reason for breaking 20 odd years of backwards compatibility, though. It's a little too risky a move to make on just...uh...poops and giggles.

ps: Grammar Nazi aside - you should have said "fewer" lines of code, not "less" lines of code.
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Ha! Couldn't let it go, could you? Still, duly noted. :p

linux2mac said:
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You're really reaching there, guy. Sometimes it's best to cut your losses and move on while you've still got some face to salvage.
 
hot spare said:
I wonder if Apple uses MS office, Windows Server, Exchange, SQL Server. Do iPhones/iPads have Exchange integration? Do apple actually pay for it??
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Who knows.

Do iPhones/iPads have Exchange integration? Yes
Does Apple actually pay for it? I don't see Microsoft licensing out ActiveSync for free.
 
A Hebrew said:
I don't blame them. Maintenance and just purchasing Apple products costs way too much. Company funds should be used wisely on products that get the job done the best way, not the trendyish way.
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Amen !!! Microsoft didn't ban employees from using Apple products they just said don't buy it with our money.
 
MrNomNoms said:
1) For someone who is supposed to be intelligent you don't seem to know the difference between MAC and Mac. How can a MAC (Media Access Control) attach to an AD server? the fact that you can't even use the correct terminology pretty much destroys what you have to say.
2) "And I had to configure WEP on the WAPs because MACs didn't play well with WPA" thus you're doing something wrong again. Don't blame Apple or Microsoft because you're unable to get some basic things up and running.
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Really - because I have a habit of uppercasing MAC, you attack my intelligence? You are a small person. I'm very sorry that criticism of the products you love so dearly makes you burst out of your skinny-jeans.

Apples "official" solution for my apparent "wrongness" was to upgrade from OS10.4 to 10.5 -requiring me to purchase an upgrade license for 72 MACbooks.

As far as my creds, I have been nationally recognized for my work.

http://www.edtechmagazine.com/k12/article/2009/04/a-data-center-turns-inward

What have you done?
 
It is just amusing to see Apple fanboys lie about their background and issues regarding Windows. It is such an old thing on these forums you really should find a better way to troll.

Anyway as for the topic i don't really see the issue here... If someone is trying to sell me Windows software and tried to do the presentation on a Mac I might have some serious doubts as well.
 
Steve121178 said:
Are you seriously suggesting that intelligent professionals are incapable of learning to use & support another OS?
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Because some 'professionals' have a vested interest in prolonging problems to keep their job relevant than fixing something up with a long term solution. You'd be surprised how often it is done and it isn't just Windows admins who do it, there are Mac admins, UNIX admins. Eventually said people are found out when there is a changing of the guard at the top and the new manager starts asking tough questions.

MadJasper said:
Really - because I have a habit of uppercasing MAC, you attack my intelligence? You are a small person. I'm very sorry that criticism of the products you love so dearly makes you burst out of your skinny-jeans.
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1) I don't wear skinny Jeans.
2) It has nothing to do with a habit and everything to do with trolling.

Apples "official" solution for my apparent "wrongness" was to upgrade from OS10.4 to 10.5 -requiring me to purchase an upgrade license for 72 MACbooks.
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Or it could be because Apple is chasing a moving target or could it because you're not wise enough to invest in the education programme Apple provides. I too was an admin at a school and we received through the ministry of education the latest software as it was released as part of a large software portfolio which included access to all the Apple and Microsoft software.

Btw, the fact that you're using a Windows server - talk about a walking pile of fail. Windows on the desktop I can understand but why on earth you'd have Windows on the server God only knows - unless of course you received a free server with a free copy of Windows in which can I can understand.

As far as my creds, I have been nationally recognized for my work.

http://www.edtechmagazine.com/k12/article/2009/04/a-data-center-turns-inward

What have you done?
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Good for you - want a cookie?

lixuelai said:
It is just amusing to see Apple fanboys lie about their background and issues regarding Windows. It is such an old thing on these forums you really should find a better way to troll.
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Compared to you who in a space of 4 years has made a grand total of 396 and most of them being snarky.

Anyway as for the topic i don't really see the issue here... If someone is trying to sell me Windows software and tried to do the presentation on a Mac I might have some serious doubts as well.
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Or maybe Microsoft should ask itself WHY employees want Apple instead of whinging, whining and restricting their employees. Being self critical is something that Microsoft is horrible at doing and it shows.
 
Renzatic said:
We're not talking about Apple here. We're talking about MS here, right? That an MS employee is far more likely to buy a Mac to do MS business? Based on what? A memo about not using company money to buy Apple products for personal use? That you happen to like Apple more?

What's your point?
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My point was clear, obvious, and stated multiple times. It was not your spun version of what said, but precisely what I stated. No more, no less.

Beyond that I cannot help you, apparently.
 
AidenShaw said:
Just admit that you've been caught in a bald-faced lie, and don't make it worse.

And the lie is either
  • there's no friend with a mother-in-law
  • you're really clueless about Windows (I can't imagine anyone with "extensive" Windows experience thinking that they need to download a DVD driver from the DVD manufacturer's website)
If you have an alternative explanation, please share it.
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Just let it go, man. You won, stop wasting your time. :)

You've proved every point you possibly could and the guy couldn't back anything up. The fact that you've been uprated, and linuxtomac downrated shows that other people aren't buying his garbage either.
 
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MrNomNoms said:
1) I don't wear skinny Jeans.
2) It has nothing to do with a habit and everything to do with trolling.
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I posted facts about my experience. It is, in fact, YOU that is attempting to anger others with baseless assumptions and incorrect statements, thus, the very definition of trolling.

MrNomNoms said:
Or it could be because Apple is chasing a moving target or could it because you're not wise enough to invest in the education programme Apple provides. I too was an admin at a school and we received through the ministry of education the latest software as it was released as part of a large software portfolio which included access to all the Apple and Microsoft software.
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Whether I fully understood, being my first experience with Apple, makes me neither wise or unwise. Nor does it change the fact that MACs (I did it on purpose that time) running OS 10.4 could not maintain a consistent connection to Cisco WAPs using WPA, or more precisely, WPA2. It is well documented. However, based on the above quote, you're more interested in insults than facts.

MrNomNoms said:
Btw, the fact that you're using a Windows server - talk about a walking pile of fail. Windows on the desktop I can understand but why on earth you'd have Windows on the server God only knows - unless of course you received a free server with a free copy of Windows in which can I can understand.
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I was using 30+ Windows servers. I have 90+ in production in my current position. Factually, I've experienced very few problems from Windows 2003 moving forward. And, in my opinion, Windows 2008R2 Group Policy is brilliant.

MrNomNoms said:
Good for you - want a cookie?
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Yes.
 
MrNomNoms said:
Btw, the fact that you're using a Windows server - talk about a walking pile of fail. Windows on the desktop I can understand but why on earth you'd have Windows on the server God only knows - unless of course you received a free server with a free copy of Windows in which can I can understand.
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There is a reason why *NIX servers dominate web services.

http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2012/03/05/march-2012-web-server-survey.html

No one likes going to their web site and seeing the yellow screen of death ( kinda like seeing the yellow exclamation point on failed devices in that awesome utility called Device Manager- LOL).

MrNomNoms said:
Or maybe Microsoft should ask itself WHY employees want Apple instead of whinging, whining and restricting their employees. Being self critical is something that Microsoft is horrible at doing and it shows.
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Can't blame MS employees for wanting products that "just work." :apple:
 
linux2mac said:
There is a reason why *NIX servers dominate web services.

http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2012/03/05/march-2012-web-server-survey.html

No one likes going to their web site and seeing the yellow screen of death ( kinda like seeing the yellow exclamation point on failed devices in that awesome utility called Device Manager- LOL).
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'nix servers dominate the web because they run super thin, and can be tweaked down to the kernel level. They rarely ever even run anything as extravagant as a GUI. On the other hand, most companies use Windows Server for intranet, VMs, and image deployment among the computers on their network.

But you already know this, what with you being someone who worked IT at a Fortune 100 company and all.

edit: and your link doesn't do a very good job of damning Microsoft there, guy. Yeah, Apache does dominate, but MS is still in a comfortable spot on that list. They're doing pretty good for a company who, according to you, only provides third rate software that barely even works half the time. It must be all those millions of people who keep lying to themselves so they can keep their job, right?
 
linux2mac said:
There is a reason why *NIX servers dominate web services.
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And the reason is that Linux is free - and gazillions of websites are shoe-string operations.

...bada boom!

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Renzatic said:
'nix servers dominate the web because they run super thin, and can be tweaked down to the kernel level. They rarely ever even run anything as extravagant as a GUI. On the other hand, most companies use Windows Server for intranet, VMs, and image deployment among the computers on their network.
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The Windows Server "roles" feature lets you build "super thin" servers, even servers without a GUI. (Powershell exposes all the necessary APIs to the command line.)
 
Renzatic said:
What is that? Windows XP running Firefox 1.0? You're really, truly reaching now.

Aidanshaw: once again, duly noted. :D
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What he showed was a correctly functioning IIS server reporting that server-side code was incorrect, and generated an error.

This morning I cut-and-pasted *most* of a URL into the browser, and got a really outrageous set of error messages and tracebacks from MySQL on a Linux box. When I added the 7 characters that I'd accidentally truncated, I got the correct page.

It's absurd to blame bad server-side HTML/PHP/ASP/... coding on the web server.
 
linux2mac said:
What is truly absurd is watching all the Apple haters here doubting Apple's dominance and Microsoft drifting towards irrelevance. BTW - does anyone know if Apple bans employees from using anything MS?
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Irrelevance with 95% market share? And since we're talking about servers, Apple's market share probably rounds down to 0.0%.

Anyway, I'm off this tangent.
 
AidenShaw said:
What he showed was a correctly functioning IIS server reporting that server-side code was incorrect, and generated an error.

This morning I cut-and-pasted *most* of a URL into the browser, and got a really outrageous set of error messages and tracebacks from MySQL on a Linux box. When I added the 7 characters that I'd accidentally truncated, I got the correct page.

It's absurd to blame bad server-side HTML/PHP/ASP/... coding on the web server.
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Actually, that error was purposely generated.

Code: 
protected void ButtonRaiseException_Click(object sender, EventArgs e)
{
    throw new InvalidOperationException();
}
 
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