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That's nice. My personal experience working on both platforms is that both have their pluses and minues. Both OSes have bugs, crash, memory leaks, glitches and anything else you might experience. Machines and OSes are not infallible. And quite frankly - both OSes (in my personal experience) have been about equal as far as performance.

UI preference is subjective and a personal preference. But as for stability, etc - I wouldn't rank one above the other.

Thanks for your input but I still have to disagree. Mounting partitions and filesystems just work better on *NIX systems like Linux and UNIX(OSX). I'll take Apache any day over IIS (I have seen the yellow screen of death far too many times while Apache has never let me down. There is a reason the majority of web servers run on *NIX servers). I could go on but there is no point. We will just have to agree to disagree.
 
Apple don't run exclusively OS X servers at its HQ and data centres - they use IBM/AIX, Linux and SUN/Solaris systems. I'm sure Apple also buys lots of copies of Mac Office.

There was a hoohah a few years back when a load of Microsoft branding for some or other crappy product was revealed to have been produced on the Mac. Design houses use Mac 99% of the time. Were M$ supposed to pick the design skills first or choose from the 1% using Windows, regardless of their skills?

Mickeysoft are scared. This memo is just a sign of weakness on their part.
 
Odd that he never once went to where the Start menu used to be isn't it? He spends most of his time where the volume and clock used to be. Mighty strange that a veteran Windows user would do that. I can only image how lost he'd be the first time he used iOS or OSX.
When I used Windows 8 for the first time (with the developer preview, which didn't have the desktop tile), I had to google how to get from the Metro interface to the desktop. Took me about 10 minutes to find that out. My wife just gave up.

Getting back to the Metro interface was easier, but I'm a keyboard short cut user anyway. Again, my wife gave up. She never uses shortcuts and that corner target is just too small to hit accidentally.

By the way, here's the same person using OS X for the first time - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeeOkHjV7nM
 
Apple don't run exclusively OS X servers at its HQ and data centres - they use IBM/AIX, Linux and SUN/Solaris systems. I'm sure Apple also buys lots of copies of Mac Office.

There was a hoohah a few years back when a load of Microsoft branding for some or other crappy product was revealed to have been produced on the Mac. Design houses use Mac 99% of the time. Were M$ supposed to pick the design skills first or choose from the 1% using Windows, regardless of their skills?

Mickeysoft are scared. This memo is just a sign of weakness on their part.
That iCloud service Apple loves to tout is run on Microsoft's Azure platform. ;)

As for being scared... I highly doubt that.
 
I don't understand how some of you 1. Have a hard time understanding why they do this 2. Have an issue with them doing this.

Why would they want their money spent on a competitors product?

I work for a company that's a direct competitor of VMWare for virtualization and Webex etc for online meetings, and we use their products much (but not most) of the time. It's a good way to see what the competition is doing.

You might say that's the executive staff's job, to decide on what to do to compete, but most of our good ideas come from the engineering staff.
 
When I used Windows 8 for the first time (with the developer preview, which didn't have the desktop tile), I had to google how to get from the Metro interface to the desktop. Took me about 10 minutes to find that out. My wife just gave up.

Getting back to the Metro interface was easier, but I'm a keyboard short cut user anyway. Again, my wife gave up. She never uses shortcuts and that corner target is just too small to hit accidentally.

By the way, here's the same person using OS X for the first time - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeeOkHjV7nM
Huh? The desktop tile is in the Dev preview version.
It's the big one... labeled "Desktop". ;)
Simply press the Windows key to switch between the two.
 
When I used Windows 8 for the first time (with the developer preview, which didn't have the desktop tile), I had to google how to get from the Metro interface to the desktop. Took me about 10 minutes to find that out. My wife just gave up.

I guess the giant tile with the picture of your desktop background labeled, appropriately enough, "Desktop" wasn't obvious enough for you, right?

Getting back to the Metro interface was easier, but I'm a keyboard short cut user anyway. Again, my wife gave up. She never uses shortcuts and that corner target is just too small to hit accidentally.

You could say the same thing about expose and the dashboard on OSX. They're hidden in those unmarked corners, but once you figure out where they are, they're super easy to hit. It's the same with the new start menu. Once you figure out where it is, all you have to do is whack your mouse over to the bottom left corner, and hey, there you go.

I'm not saying that the new interface features are perfect. There's still a goodly bit of goofy design decisions in there that make me wonder what the hell they were thinking when they came up with them. But overall? It's not nearly as bad as everyone is making it out to be. Some of it is actually quite good.
 
You - like MR, is trying to make something out of this story that simply isn't there.

It's simple. Microsoft doesn't care what its employees do with their own money. But if that employee wants Microsoft to PAY for the equipment - then they can only purchase something authorized by Microsoft.

And I'm going to guess that Apple won't foot the bill for any of its employees to purchase non-Apple devices except if required specifically for their job requirements.

Again - this is a non-story and commonplace.

Not a very logical argument. First, Microsoft couldn't possibly control what their employees do with their own money even if they wanted to, so as herrings go that one is about as red as they come. Your second red herring is that Microsoft pays employees for equipment that isn't required for their jobs. So this story is entirely about what Microsoft employees are asking the company to buy for them to do their jobs.

This may not be the biggest of stories, but it still seems to me that such a rule would not be necessary at Apple.
 
Not a very logical argument. First, Microsoft couldn't possibly control what their employees do with their own money even if they wanted to, so as herrings go that one is about as red as they come. Your second red herring is that Microsoft pays employees for equipment that isn't required for their jobs. So this story is entirely about what Microsoft employees are asking the company to buy for them to do their jobs.

This may not be the biggest of stories, but it still seems to me that such a rule would not be necessary at Apple.

No red herrings. We can agree to disagree.
 
So... that's more devices that microsoft sites will not test on and won't work on... oh hold on Microsoft sites only work on Internet Explorer 6 anyway.

Very odd as I am sure they are going to make a shed load of money from office for iPad - but realise this does not affect the apple dev arm or MS.
 
Elaborate on 'extensively'? From what I remember, you didn't even touch Windows 7 until it was 18+ months old.

As a MSDN license holder I had access to every MS product. I worked with Visual Studio and SQL Server developing custom in house applications for various company wide divisions. So yeah, I have worked "extensively" with Windows and other MS products, unlike most Windows techs that bash Apple without ever using anything Apple.

The first time I touched Windows 7 was two months ago when a friend asked me to help their mother in law with her Windows 7 machine that had a DVD drive that was inoperable. Turns out the DVD driver was corrupted and needed to be re-installed. I realized that nothing had changed with Windows and was puzzled about all the Windows 7 hype mentioned here. Thus I have low expectations of Windows 8 and Ballmer better really be "Coming Full Guns" for the sake of MS.
 
As a MSDN license holder I had access to every MS product. I worked with Visual Studio and SQL Server developing custom in house applications for various company wide divisions. So yeah, I have worked "extensively" with Windows and other MS products, unlike most Windows techs that bash Apple without ever using anything Apple.

The first time I touched Windows 7 was two months ago when a friend asked me to help their mother in law with her Windows 7 machine that had a DVD drive that was inoperable. Turns out the DVD driver was corrupted and needed to be re-installed. I realized that nothing had changed with Windows and was puzzled about all the Windows 7 hype mentioned here. Thus I have low expectations of Windows 8 and Ballmer better really be "Coming Full Guns" for the sake of MS.
Nothing has changed???
Now I'm seriously calling BS on your little story and your entire background.
Also, having an MSDN subscription =/= working extensively with all things MS. It simply means you have access to the software.
Hell I've had my enterprise MSDN subscription for nearly 10 years and would never make such a claim.
 
But it is first rate, its the worlds #1 OS by a LOOOONG shot.. business depend on it to run there fortune 100/500 businesses, and no other OS can touch its compatibility with multiple pieces of hardware and software apps
Its stable, but of course it has bugs
I never said it was secure in the strong sense i believe you are saying. I said that it is malware vulnerable. Again, so is any OS. Windows is a secure as you want it to be.

It will be interesting to see what happens in the post PC era now with Apple's breakthrough into Enterprise. Like I said, Ballmer better be "Coming Full Guns" for the sake of MS.

Survey: iPad Leads Corporate Tablet Adoption
http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/survey_ipad_leads_corporate_tablet_adoption/
 
As a MSDN license holder I had access to every MS product. I worked with Visual Studio and SQL Server developing custom in house applications for various company wide divisions. So yeah, I have worked "extensively" with Windows and other MS products, unlike most Windows techs that bash Apple without ever using anything Apple.

One thing I've learned over the last few years is that anyone who's worked "extensively" with computers in an IT environment don't go around saying X sucks, or Y blows. They'll have preferences, such as X works better in this situation than Y, but they don't flat out say "OLOL DON'T USE WINDOWS IT SUCKS AND CRASHES ALL THE TIME" or "OSX IS STUPID YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT BECAUSE IT'S BUILT FOR NOOOOOOOBS AND ONLY HAS ONE MOUSE BUTTON".

Nope. It's mostly those weird smackaddle-brained, not nearly as tech savvy as they think they are dorks who go visit Engadget 200 times a day who make claims like that. It's one of the many reasons why I'm kindasorta doubting your credentials over here. Most people who actually, you know, use Windows and OSX know that, on the performance and stability front, there isn't a huge amount of difference between the two.

Also, if you hate MS and Windows so much, why are you giving them $300 a year for an MSDN license? Just so you can say you've got one? That don't make not a damn bit of sense.
 
It will be interesting to see what happens in the post PC era now with Apple's breakthrough into Enterprise. Like I said, Ballmer better be "Coming Full Guns" for the sake of MS.

Survey: iPad Leads Corporate Tablet Adoption
http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/survey_ipad_leads_corporate_tablet_adoption/

That link doesn't say much. Until the iPad can run business/corporate grade apps, it will just be a nice thing to take notes on in meetings.

Tablet adoption in corporations, to me, is sole dependent on 2 things to me

Compatibility
Security

Also, as a corporate IT type like myself, I would like any tablet to come with the ability to double or "dock" and become a desktop OS! Once that happens, tablets will take off!
 
Nothing has changed???

Correct.

Now I'm seriously calling BS on your little story and your entire background.
Also, having an MSDN subscription =/= working extensively with all things MS. It simply means you have access to the software.
Hell I've had my enterprise MSDN subscription for nearly 10 years and would never make such a claim.

I guess you missed the part about me using Visual Studio and SQL Server on a daily basis which only run on Windows Desktops and Windows Servers. And since I was developing in house applications for a MS shop Fortune 100 means I was probably doing a lot of .NET development and custom Office applications. Thus extensive Windows and MS use on my part.


Also, if you hate MS and Windows so much, why are you giving them $300 a year for an MSDN license? Just so you can say you've got one? That don't make not a damn bit of sense.

I was referring to my days at my Fortune 100. My Fortune 100 paid for it then which at that time was about $5K. I don't have one now. I am a self-employed entrepreneur and have no need for anything MS these days.

That link doesn't say much. Until the iPad can run business/corporate grade apps, it will just be a nice thing to take notes on in meetings.

Tablet adoption in corporations, to me, is sole dependent on 2 things to me

Compatibility
Security

Things like this make me believe Apple will get there.

Apple Releases Configurator for Mac, Allows You to Mass Configure and Deploy iOS Devices
http://www.mactrast.com/2012/03/app...you-to-mass-configure-and-deploy-ios-devices/
 
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I guess you missed the part about me using Visual Studio and SQL Server on a daily basis which only run on Windows Desktops and Windows Servers. And since I was developing in house applications for a MS shop Fortune 100 means I was probably doing a lot of .NET development and custom Office applications. Thus extensive Windows and MS use on my part.

And I think you missed the point where I said I was the King of the Internet (notice the caps, I am BONA FIDE AND CERTIFIED). I don't need to verify this claim because, hell, son. I'm the King of the Damn Internet. I invented toilet paper, curse words, and blogs. I don't need to justify myself to you! I also worked as the head tech of a Fortune 5 company, which is where I invented the internet, and am an absolute king at computer programming. You might've heard of my super secret programming pseudonym, John Carmack. Yeah. That's right I also invented 3D.

And I did it all on a Commodore 64. Windows and Mac? STUPID! I only need an 8-bit computer to WORK MY MIRACLES! I AM JUST THAT GOOD!
 
One thing I've learned over the last few years is that anyone who's worked "extensively" with computers in an IT environment don't go around saying X sucks, or Y blows. They'll have preferences, such as X works better in this situation than Y, but they don't flat out say "OLOL DON'T USE WINDOWS IT SUCKS AND CRASHES ALL THE TIME" or "OSX IS STUPID YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT BECAUSE IT'S BUILT FOR NOOOOOOOBS AND ONLY HAS ONE MOUSE BUTTON".

Nope. It's mostly those weird smackaddle-brained, not nearly as tech savvy as they think they are dorks who go visit Engadget 200 times a day who make claims like that. It's one of the many reasons why I'm kindasorta doubting your credentials over here. Most people who actually, you know, use Windows and OSX know that, on the performance and stability front, there isn't a huge amount of difference between the two.

Also, if you hate MS and Windows so much, why are you giving them $300 a year for an MSDN license? Just so you can say you've got one? That don't make not a damn bit of sense.
Indeed.
My company uses everything, AIX, Solaris, Linux and Windows.
We use what does the job the best while keeping costs down.
I manage systems on all 4 platforms and write apps for two of them.
When it comes to VM's, VMWare on Linux does the job nicely.
When it comes to in house sites and document sharing, Windows Server 2008 FTW.
For high capacity public facing web sites... we use a mix of all 4 OS platforms. Pick what works best for the task at hand.

Anyone who runs a data center that limits platforms out of personal prejudices is an idiot.
Even Apple knows this.

As to the subject at hand, I can tell you MS is still buying Apple gear.
They are buying it for the departments that actually need it.
Marketing and sales reps do not "need" Apple gear to do their job.
R&D teams do.
MS still makes software for Apple devices and those teams will still be able to purchase Apple hardware using company funds.

aaaaand Microsoft has now officially become IBM.
How so? I worked for IBM for 5 years... you could buy whatever you NEEDED to get the job done.
If IBM didn't have the product you needed in house, you go out and get it. I can tell you we used a lot of non-IBM hardware. ;)
 
The first time I touched Windows 7 was two months ago when a friend asked me to help their mother in law with her Windows 7 machine that had a DVD drive that was inoperable. Turns out the DVD driver was corrupted and needed to be re-installed. I realized that nothing had changed with Windows and was puzzled about all the Windows 7 hype mentioned here. Thus I have low expectations of Windows 8 and Ballmer better really be "Coming Full Guns" for the sake of MS.

Ok - so you had one experience with one computer with one corrupt driver and came to the conclusion that Windows 7 sucks - nothing has changed at microsoft and that Windows 8 will suck too? Am I getting that right? I want to be sure. Because if I'm going to laugh at you and your posts - I want to make sure I'm laughing at the right interpretation.
 
We use what does the job the best while keeping costs down.

Absolutely. And for my small business owner clients Linux and OSX do the trick. No need for them to spend money on SQL Server and Windows Server when Apache and Postgre SQL/MySQL do the job.

When it comes to VM's, VMWare on Linux does the job nicely.

Fully agree. I prefer VMWare on Linux over Fusion on Mac.
 
Things like this make me believe Apple will get there.

Apple Releases Configurator for Mac, Allows You to Mass Configure and Deploy iOS Devices
http://www.mactrast.com/2012/03/app...you-to-mass-configure-and-deploy-ios-devices/

The most useful like I have ever seen you post! I was/am waiting for something like this.

Looks like it is missing over-the-air configuration and management?

iPads are still a long way away from being major corporate tools, but they might get there with the right decision.
 
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