Agree 100%, but Office 2013 RT is still a crippled product, it is not 'full office' as he falsely claims
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Agree 100%, but Office 2013 RT is still a crippled product, it is not 'full office' as he falsely claims
Microsoft Office is a Jumbo Jet to Crack a Nut
Most home and small business users do not understand, need or use it's features.
iWork offers all they need and is much much simpler.
Anyone who says otherwise should watch Apple's 2 minute video on mail merge and then try to do/research the same in Word
Most home and small business users do not understand, need or use it's features.
iWork offers all they need and is much much simpler.
Anyone who says otherwise should watch Apple's 2 minute video on mail merge and then try to do/research the same in Word
I agree with MS!
All these iProducts and Google office products are junk, watered down products. Nothing compares to MS Office.
All these iProducts and Google office products are junk, watered down products. Nothing compares to MS Office.
Very true, serious enterprises will stick with Office 2013. But Shaw is referring to Surface RT, which is not marketed to the enterprise.
Basically it sounds like he's saying Apple's iWork is good for home users that want to have fun and do light work, but Office 2013 is for no nonsense serious use - so we'll package with our home tablet anyway!
It feels like Apple has created a "work" product more suited towards it's intended audience in this case. It can still get the job done, but it's not overly burdensome that would scare away it's prime audience.
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Yes, thanks for the warning.
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Damage control operation?
Maybe he meant that as a reason not to buy it?
It't the reason I don't buy pcs or something like the surface, why would I pay for a virus to be put on my computer?
honestly, i was intrigued when the Surface first came out. I already use my ipad like 80% of the time i need to use a computer.
the other 20% is only when i need to do some real 'productive' work like word documents, excel etc.
so i thought how nice would it be if i could do all that from 1 device??
but then i realized, the surface is not better than my ipad as a tablet, and is not better than my macbook as a laptop...
so its not really that great a deal is it?
If I REALLY wanted to be productive, why reach for the surface in the first place, why not reach the macbook?
the other 20% is only when i need to do some real 'productive' work like word documents, excel etc.
so i thought how nice would it be if i could do all that from 1 device??
but then i realized, the surface is not better than my ipad as a tablet, and is not better than my macbook as a laptop...
so its not really that great a deal is it?
If I REALLY wanted to be productive, why reach for the surface in the first place, why not reach the macbook?
This comment thread pretty much reaffirms why I hardly ever stray from PRSI on this website. Stay classy chums.
Let me be your ruler
He is just singing that song, isn't he? Microsoft is still in denial. They still think they rule and this is preventing them to learn from their own mistakes, reorganize and redirect. Tim was spot on. In fact one could say he tried to help Microsoft.
He is just singing that song, isn't he? Microsoft is still in denial. They still think they rule and this is preventing them to learn from their own mistakes, reorganize and redirect. Tim was spot on. In fact one could say he tried to help Microsoft.
Yeah but it also runs windows
I run Ableton on my macbook but as we've discussed before, there I things I can do with my ipad that I can't do with a macbook or a surface.
EVeryones aware of of the surface, it's just that nobody wants it.
Microsoft definitely excels at producing the most boring software, I'll give them that. But it's also not true that iWork doesn't produce documents you can share with anyone: you can convert any iWork file into a DOC, for one, or you can simply share it online
Surface better than iPad
When I sold computers I was taught not to focus on stats, but what that system is going to do for me.
I work for a company that does technical training. They are a Microsoft shop. They were presented with an opportunity to get the SurfaceRT at a reduced price. I seriously considered it until I found out it won't support the on line class room we use (Elluminate).
I considered Surface after that. I compared the cost of Surface (and what you get from Surface) to a comparable laptop. When I compared the Surface to a MacBook Air that could dual boot into Windows if needed, the Surface was cost prohibitive.
No, MS has OBVIOUSLY not figured out how to do a tablet. Not in this reality, not in ANY way you can measure it. MS is convinced I need an SD slot in a tablet. I don't. They are convinced I have to have a USB port. FOR WHAT? If I want a Keyboard I use a bluetooth keyboard, and hey, I don't need a mouse. It's a touch screen.
How do I get files to people? DropBox, EverNote, iCloud, and maybe you heard that people don't even have to have iWork installed to collaborate with me on a document, spreadsheet, or presentation.
No MS, you are a non starter in the tablet world because, simply put, you are stuck in an outdated view of how productivity happens. You are trying to force the preconceived notions of using a computer onto computing with a tablet. A person with your education should know better, and for dang sure shouldn't try to insult the intelligence of your customer base.
Yes, MS, you have a nice toy. I'll continue productively without it.
When I sold computers I was taught not to focus on stats, but what that system is going to do for me.
I work for a company that does technical training. They are a Microsoft shop. They were presented with an opportunity to get the SurfaceRT at a reduced price. I seriously considered it until I found out it won't support the on line class room we use (Elluminate).
I considered Surface after that. I compared the cost of Surface (and what you get from Surface) to a comparable laptop. When I compared the Surface to a MacBook Air that could dual boot into Windows if needed, the Surface was cost prohibitive.
No, MS has OBVIOUSLY not figured out how to do a tablet. Not in this reality, not in ANY way you can measure it. MS is convinced I need an SD slot in a tablet. I don't. They are convinced I have to have a USB port. FOR WHAT? If I want a Keyboard I use a bluetooth keyboard, and hey, I don't need a mouse. It's a touch screen.
How do I get files to people? DropBox, EverNote, iCloud, and maybe you heard that people don't even have to have iWork installed to collaborate with me on a document, spreadsheet, or presentation.
No MS, you are a non starter in the tablet world because, simply put, you are stuck in an outdated view of how productivity happens. You are trying to force the preconceived notions of using a computer onto computing with a tablet. A person with your education should know better, and for dang sure shouldn't try to insult the intelligence of your customer base.
Yes, MS, you have a nice toy. I'll continue productively without it.
I wouldn't be so sure. Windows might dominate, but the Surface doesn't.
More and more retailers are using iPads on the shop floor to drive sales, especially here in the UK. Most major retailers use them. I work in a relatively small store of a big chain and we have 4 iPads that generate quite a lot of additional revenue. And because most of the staff have them at home, they are much easier to use. We still use Windows on our workstations. We also have large touch screen order points in store that run on Windows 8 and these are shunned because they are very unreliable.
In addition, our company has rolled out iPhones to all store managers and iPads to head office staff.
This from the company that predicted the iPhone would be a miserable failure.
You'll recall that when President Obama tried to spin the failures of the Health Care website as just "glitches" he tried to compare it to an Apple product launch, not a Microsoft launch. Telling.
You'll recall that when President Obama tried to spin the failures of the Health Care website as just "glitches" he tried to compare it to an Apple product launch, not a Microsoft launch. Telling.
Microsoft consumer business is going as good as rim is
Google docs has killed office pretty much for me. And for those fancy reports/papers there's always latex.
Google docs has killed office pretty much for me. And for those fancy reports/papers there's always latex.
You are right about IT departments, they keep buying microsoft products to keep themselves employed, it's a vicious circle.
Ipads may not be used for wordprocessing but they are used in many corporate and industrial, musical etc..environments.
They can be used for entertainment purposes but people that think that the ipad is not used for "work" is behind the times.
If only MS knew how to do the easiest thing from the whole device.... The damn stand. What a piece of crap that is, not to mention windows 8 which even my most hardcore anti Apple friends hate too. Pricing? Isn't it about the same as the iPad? lol. Battery life sucks on it too I hear. Oh dear.
Creative industry all use macs. Office industry is still on PC but wish they were on Macs. MYOB on a mac would do a lot of damage to Windows.
Creative industry all use macs. Office industry is still on PC but wish they were on Macs. MYOB on a mac would do a lot of damage to Windows.
I would disagree - enterprise, as in those in IT whose job it is to continue the MS based systems, yes, they want whatever MS and their hardware partners offer, but more and more USERS in enterprise want Apple product, for all sorts of reasons.
The company I used to work for had a small number of Macs, mainly for the design and creative departments, with everyone else using various PC's. All the executives were using Blackberry's (given their financial or consulting backgrounds) for their phones, but today the company phone is iPhone and Apple laptops and iPads are filtering their way through the rest of the company. One company is not a sea change, but I would venture to guess this is starting to be a common occurrence.
Perhaps there is merit to the notion that it is not that life is so complicated but that simplicity is so rarely understood. iWork may not be as robust as Office, but I find its simplicity and transparent control sufficiently appealing to have migrated from Office at an OSX level.
Unfortunately for Apple, Android is far from dead, especially outside the US. As for MS, the boat is still afloat, but for how long if the leaks are not fixed in the coming years?