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I am stunned that a corporation like Microsoft would present themselves in such a poor way.

Pshaw, Ballmer has been embarrassing Microsoft for decades. No one there dares say anything because he's worth billions. Or maybe because he'll eat them.

I think Apple is going to make a competent product with their tablet. Sadly it will be an Apple product.

Ah, the classic praise-with-an-insult. You're going to be seriously conflicted if this mythical tablet thing turns out to be something special. Damn that cursed Apple logo on the back!

Tablets without keyboards have been called slates since at least the mid 90s.

As has been mentioned, the term slate has been used for such devices for a long time.

As I mentioned in another thread, it's interesting then that Ballmer called this thing a "new form factor" that "we're calling Slates."

I guess he wasn't aware of tablets without keyboards, and the fact that said tablets without keyboard were called "slates."

I guess we'll let Ballmer think he invented something new and gave it a brand new name. Hey, he's the boss. And he's hungry.

I installed Silverlight for that?

Perhaps that was the real intent of this lame keynote: to sucker people into installing Silverlight. "Suck it, Adobe!" - Microsoft
 
I wouldn't be too supprised if they used some of the macbook air tech and made this islate super thin, sure would make one hell of a replacement for paper! :D
 
Read some of the threads about the Slate or whatever it is called here and you get an indication of the to be expected features and uses. In whatever nature it comes, it will be of use to some people.

We are living in a consumer society, meaning not all products are necessary to "society". Do we really need Hummers, 3D TV's and Foie Gras?

Have you read these threads? It reads like people justifying to themselves the reasons for buying this device. Some of them have referred to it as a toy or something you use while you're in the kitchen. The truth is there are many people here who are Apple nuts.

The Hummer & 3D TVs replaced something that people already had. The tablet/slate whatever doesn't do that. Does it replace newspapers & magazines? Yes, but from what I understand, these were industries on the verge of collapsing. For this device to make this business successful again it would mean consumers are buying it because of the device and not the content since they weren't purchasing the content to begin with. If that is the case, is it replacing anything significant in your life for $1000?
 
I really don't understand Microsoft at the moment. On the one hand they're genuinely pushing a state of the art user interface in their entertainment division with the 360 and Natal (let's leave aside the 'does it work' bit for a minute). On the other they seem to have a complete lack of ability to deliver software for PC's that's built around the consumer market.

Windows is based around corporate metaphors (desktop, folders, files etc), always has been and probably always will be. Where Apple made a huge leap forward with the iPhone was in building the first true mass market consumer-orientated OS. They took out all that stuff that everyone had to learn and made it as simple as 'press the button you want'. Google are starting to figure out how to do that with Android but Microsoft seem to be really struggling to move away from the enterprise mindset. Windows Mobile is struggling to do it and Windows 7 might look pretier but it's still just as unintuitive to a first time user as it's ever been.

It seems pretty clear that there's some major internal issues at Microsoft when it comes to understanding the consmer space across their entire product line. Until they get that sorted out stuff like Slate PC's will always struggle to get out of the geek market as it just doesn't appeal to the non-techie user the way Apple's kit does.
 
No Effort At All

Look at the thing, there is no real effort in design and construct, that's plain to see.
All they did was fit a case around an LCD with a capacitive layer in front, a main board form factor designed to be compact of course to integrate all the bits. There's nothing innovative, there's no real research or work involved.
;)

The screen is framed and chunky, plastic like all PC's... It would make a nice picture frame on the wall or in a dusty PC archive vault of trial and fail... or 'We did it too'

They just took current parts form factors and chocked em into a smaller case.
I have a robotic kit and in it's back is a 1ghz pc. It's got a micro SD 16gb HDD. USB, COMMs ports, VGA Monitor, HDD controller, web cam, mic, a lot of servo controllers as well... and it's 3x2 inches square inside the back of my lil' Boba Fett robot... so for TWO MULTI-BILLION $ computer corporatons to come up with this piece of jumk tablet is a bit of a joke... laughable...
:rolleyes:

Anyone can make a small form factor PC, it's not that hard.

They rant year after year about their coffee table research... but there are no products to the consumer market??? What are they selling to us [yes the PC I am typing on :D yeah but I wanna burn my Amex on something kewl...!]

Then in the end all he's done is installed Win 7.

He was babbling about thousands of engineers... Meh!

Wake me when he's no longer in charge... Gatesy left while the going was good.

Actually... When Gatesy and Jobsy were sitting together chatting on the D interview in 2007 and Gatesy said the future is Tablet computing... Steve laughed inside... Steve was serious... Billy boy WAS NOT... it was a vacant comment by a man who'd given up on the company he'd founded, such a shame.
Ballmer is an engineer, a corporate engineer, he has no creative flair, he only knows how to make business decisions with executives, suit central, he does not know what people want or need or understand markets... He watches videos of his Assembly Code engineers talking about multi-threaded operating systems and flow charts.

That's why we saw that big rubber red COPY stamp on stage...
 
Doubt it. Even their new All in one PC looks like an iMac...

Why don't you draw a different concept that looks different from a Mac/PC?

Oh that's right...you can't. There's only so many ways to make an all in one computer.
 
Jobs could introduce the iYo-Yo and blow these clowns away.

It works both ways. Jobs could introduce a yo-yo, charge $200 and half the people on these forums would say how badly they need this yo-yo. They'd also say that they thought they never needed a yo-yo before until now.
 
It works both ways. Jobs could introduce a yo-yo, charge $200 and half the people on these forums would say how badly they need this yo-yo. They'd also say that they thought they never needed a yo-yo before until now.
I've become too jaded for all this.
 
Snoozefest

I literally fell asleep while watching the Keynote. It was already a very late start due to technical issues but Balmer just dragged the whole show down to hell. Embarrassing. The tablet presentation certainly wasn't worth the wait and I don't think Apple has a thing to worry about.
 
Windows on a talet form factor machine, who saw that coming?
..................

If you are going to make a tablet, RETHINK HOW THE FORM FACTOR WILL SHAPE HOW YOU INTERACT WITH IT IN YOUR LIFE!

I love how you're SCREAMING that like you do much of this type of innovation yourself and its easy as hell to reshape the market?

But for sure if its between an HP and Apple, moneys on apple doing a tablet better...
 
I love how you're SCREAMING that like you do much of this type of innovation yourself and its easy as hell to reshape the market?

But for sure if its between an HP and Apple, moneys on apple doing a tablet better...

i'm just glad that there's competition. Competition on any level is better than none. But i agree, i'm excited to see what apple has in store
 
HP and Microsoft collaborate on something? Wow, it makes me feel all dirty and cheap inside. I can still remember the clunker notebook that needed service within two months and came back with a battery that lasted 90 minutes. WOOOOO, this thing will be legendary.
 
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Windows is based around corporate metaphors (desktop, folders, files etc), always has been and probably always will be. ...
You sound like you believe Microsoft invented the Desktop, folders, files, etc. and that these metaphors are in its DNA. Well, it didn't and they aren't. Windows is mostly cribbed from other developers. The Desktop, Microsoft didn't copy until Windows 95. Folders and files, it licensed for Windows 1.0 from Apple. I understand that Microsoft swiped some of Windows directly from Xerox PARC. Other bits that we know come from NeXTstep. Microsoft employs a lot of smart and talented people. However, it has a corporate culture that is still dominated by the three college students stealing paper tape from the dumpster at DEC. It is a culture that has more confidence in an outside idea that it copied [imperfectly] than an idea of its own developed in-house.

It is odd. Most companies suffer when their founders leave. I have come to believe that Microsoft is doomed unless Monkey Boy and any less significant founding employees of the company leave. Paul Allen left long ago. Bill Gates keeps claiming that he is gone. There is no way that the talent within that company will ever rise to the top until that old culture is gone and replaced with people who have confidence in their own abilities.
 
Nothing like setting really high expectations and delivering - - - NOTHING.
HP the company that will deliver next generation anything? Microsoft maker of fine Flash based demos of vaporware.
When will there be pressure on Microsoft to get a new CEO? This guy has been so bad for so long. He really demonstrated his ignorance of technology by dismissing the iPhone when it was announced. Remember that? Instead of saying something like, "It looks good, but it's a tough market." He dismissed it completely. Dismissed everything about casual, mobile computing.

I guess shareholders of Microsoft have the least fun when he opens his mouth.

-M

That is such a typical "I'm blind on the left eye" fanboy statement. Remember that Steve Jobs is the CEO who back in the day completely dismissed the entire notebook market, saying that "only a journalist might have use for such a device"?

And it is Steve Jobs who STILL completely dismisses the entire netbook market -- "we don't know how to build a device for less than 500 USD that does not completely suck". Well, Asus, MSI, Dell and many others actually do know how to build a device for that money that performs nicely AND that is being sold like crazy.

And it is also Steve Jobs who always refused to license Mac OS to other OEMs, and by doing so he opened the doors to the success of Windows. We wouldn't have one BILLION Microsoft installations world-wide if Mr Jobs would have made the right choice. But Mr Jobs wanted to be like IBM - everything from one source. Only that this business model is so 1960s and doesn't work in today's world - except for maybe the iToy market.

Since Microsoft is still the undefeated #1 corporation in the IT software industry, Steve Ballmer must be doing a lot of things right. But Microsoft mainly cares for the corporate business and the game sector, while Apple builds surf boards and photo and music libraries for casual home users who neither play nor really work with their computers. You can hardly compare those two companies and their market niches.
 
Have you read these threads? It reads like people justifying to themselves the reasons for buying this device. Some of them have referred to it as a toy or something you use while you're in the kitchen. The truth is there are many people here who are Apple nuts.

The Hummer & 3D TVs replaced something that people already had. The tablet/slate whatever doesn't do that. Does it replace newspapers & magazines? Yes, but from what I understand, these were industries on the verge of collapsing. For this device to make this business successful again it would mean consumers are buying it because of the device and not the content since they weren't purchasing the content to begin with. If that is the case, is it replacing anything significant in your life for $1000?

The questions you ask me are all answered by my and other posts in the threads I refer to.

But to indulge you, I say again:

in order to succeed this tablet needs to be new on different fronts and address multiple needs. A single focus on e-reading or movie watching or gaming will not work.

The iPhone is successful because it was new or one of the first in a number of ways: touchscreen, useable MP3 and Movie player, Web browser etc etc.. It changed, renewed or innovated several existing functions and merged these into a device that worked and was easy on the eyes. It was with many of these functions definitely not the first, but it delivered them the best compared to the competition.

This tablet thing doesn't need to replace anything (although I guess most iPhone users also owned cellphones before that, but I know that that's a slightly different situation) if it can pull people from other markets by addressing a need they have and coincidentally provide other great features and functions.

Most people on this forum talk about the tablet like this: "it will only work if it can do office and/or photoshop", "it won't work as an e-reader" and "you need a hardware keyboard to do lots of input". Try to think a little bit out of the box, extrapolate what Apple has now in terms of hardware and software, and I think we can have a pretty clear picture of what is going to happen.

Sure this tablet will not pull Photoshop and Office professionals away from their MBP's and Mac Pro's and iMacs and I definitely don't think it will replace any of these products. Since Apple's computing market share is still quite small, I'm sure they won't worry about the loss in sales from the crowd that wouldn't buy it because they already have an MBP or other product.

I'm not going to reiterate all the reasons why this could work, but judging from the hype here, on Engadget, Gizmodo and even in newspapers here in The Netherlands there is definitely a market for these kinds of things. Maybe it's not you, Eidorian, Cmaier or many other skeptics here, but apparently it's a whole lot of other people.

I for one will see what is going to be released. I will quietly be sad, but also amused when January goes by and we will only see updated laptops. But if it gets released and it tickles my fancy than I will buy it. If it is an iPod Touch with a 10" screen and no further innovations that I will wait for someone else to do it better.

And regarding your first comment above: are you surprised that there are people here who are nuts about Apple products? This is an Apple forum. In addition these threads are about speculating what the fantom tablet can do. Let each do it in the way that they like. And what qualifies you to dismiss their ideas or reasons for buying a device?

And this regarding Hummers: how is that different from this situation? Many people bought a Hummer new, as a replacement for or additional to their normal work-home commute car. Most Hummers on the streets today are not used for what they are built: transporting through rough terrain as opposed to transporting toddlers to mommy-gym. I can see the same logic translate quite well to a tablet: many people will buy it since they don't own a computer or similar device, some will buy it additional to their other computer, and some will buy it as a replacement.
 
And it is Steve Jobs who STILL completely dismisses the entire netbook market -- "we don't know how to build a device for less than 500 USD that does not completely suck". Well, Asus, MSI, Dell and many others actually do know how to build a device for that money that performs nicely AND that is being sold like crazy.

They do suck. They are cheap, throw-away, under-powered crap. Sure they sell like crazy because they are cheap. Apple does not cater to the commodity computer market.

And it is also Steve Jobs who always refused to license Mac OS to other OEMs, and by doing so he opened the doors to the success of Windows. We wouldn't have one BILLION Microsoft installations world-wide if Mr Jobs would have made the right choice. But Mr Jobs wanted to be like IBM - everything from one source. Only that this business model is so 1960s and doesn't work in today's world - except for maybe the iToy market.

The Apple OS was licensed out during his absence, a time when Apple was hurting. One of the strategic moves during his return was to stop the practice and move to a unified environment. Apple's recent earnings reports and cash on hand would beg to differ with your assessment that the model doesn't work in today's world. Again, Jobs doesn't try to play the commodity game of quantity over quality. He has always focused on the high end of the market where large margins exist. Again, I'd say he has done a damn good job.

Since Microsoft is still the undefeated #1 legacy corporation because people don't know any better in the IT software industry, Steve Ballmer must still be riding on the fumes left by Gates. But Microsoft mainly cares for the corporate business and the game sector, while Apple builds surf boards and photo and music libraries for casual home users who neither play nor really work with their computers. You can hardly compare those two companies and their market niches.

Fixed. And by the way, I do highly complex numerical fluid dynamics experiments, such as large eddy simulations and mesoscale numerical models on a Mac Pro. I'd say that is real work and the code will never touch a crap Windows OS

If you'll excuse me, I'm off to call the FUD police on you.
 
This is great Competition will keep Stevie J on his Toes.

I can Just See it now.

/Jobsey grabs Ives by the Throat and Say's "God Dammit Man Give Me Victory or Give Me Death!"
 
The iMac design was actually stolen from a 1960s radio design by the German company Braun. Braun's chief designer had a huge impact on generations of later designers.

This might hurt your world view a bit:

http://gizmodo.com/343641/1960s-braun-products-hold-the-secrets-to-apples-future

That doesn't change ANYTHING about the statement of the guy.. Stolen, inspired by or not, the design of Apple products is at the least very attractive to many people, and whether that design was inspired by the Braun designer or whatever doesn't play any role at all.
 
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