Microsoft CEO Would 'Welcome' Apple to Bring iMessage to Windows

[MauiPa]

Does this mean Microsoft will fix and then license windows on ARM? No, just talking smack then

 

[LFC2020]

Somebody needs to tell him his dreaming. 😁

 

[ph001bi]

That would actually benefit Apple more than Microsoft if they want to push iMessage utilization. Outside of the US no one uses it, and prefer to use Whatsapp or other platforms instead of having to guess what kind of phone or computer your recipient has.

I don't know where "outside of the US", you are but over here in the UK, it's extremely rare not to receive an iMessage. I do receive non iMessage messages from Asia but they use all sorts of messaging apps. Kakaotalk in Korea, Viber in Thailand or BBM in Indonesia.

 

[m4mario]

I have yet to see a single ad in my WhatsApp experience. And sorry, I think you're wrong. Outside of the US, most people don't even know iMessage exists, and people think it is just plain old SMS, and those that do know it exists like myself refuse to use it as i don't know or care about what devices my recipients are using. Apple does have some functions that are device sellers. iMessage is not one of them.

You are “yet” to see ads “directly” on WhatsApp. Those are the keyword here. Remember why Facebook bought WhatsApp? Do you really believe you are getting such a service for free? What do you think is the monetization for these free messengers? Are you using services without knowing how the company monetizes it?
True, outside the US, not many know about iMessage. But Apple does not want everyone to know iMessage exists. I am just stating that Apple has nothing to gain by porting iMessage to other platforms. They have no way of monetizing it as they don’t want to collect user data.

 

[mike090910]

So when is Microsoft going to release an M1 version of windows?

 

[MauiPa]

Yup, Whatsapp is Universal. iMessage ignores half the worlds userbase. Perhaps it's time for iPhone users to just switch over and get with the times?

But why? iMessage works great, end to end encryption, and privacy. Anyone who wants to use something else can. But why wouldn’t Microsoft just write a great messaging tool that fully integrated with iMessage, tools are there?

 

[TimFL1]

What’s app and other platforms will try to monetize the messaging platforms with advertising, and probably will have to collect user data. As Apple has no intention as of now to do that, it won’t benefit Apple in any way. Apple’s way of monetizing is that they provide various services in the platform and hope users will choose their devices for the services(or the quality/execution of the services). For this reason, it will be detrimental for Apple’s business to bring iMessage to other platforms. And forcing Apple to do it, will mean that they will be forced to monetize it by collecting user data. Unfortunately, some policy makers who cry monopoly, don’t have the sense to see this. They are trying to force the one profitable company that does not want to collect user data, into becoming another privacy invader. They do this out of fear, that this company that hold’s a tiny market share in every market it’s in, will somehow become a monopoly.

********. The Epic trial had mail threads where Eddy Cue and co. literally said iMessage costs them zero to run. It‘s purely fear mongering over people switching to Android, which wont happen because iMessage is a joke outside of the US.

 

[TheSapient]

Reporter: Would you welcome Apple apps?
MS CEO: Sure.
MacRumors Forum: Look at him beg!!!!!

 

[Kkspire]

Exactly what I came here to post. Only you wrote it quicker and better.

Because Microsoft sucks…

 

[JCCL]

You are “yet” to see ads “directly” on WhatsApp. Those are the keyword here. Remember why Facebook bought WhatsApp? Do you really believe you are getting such a service for free? What do you think is the monetization for these free messengers? Are you using services without knowing how the company monetizes it?
True, outside the US, not many know about iMessage. But Apple does not want everyone to know iMessage exists. I am just stating that Apple has nothing to gain by porting iMessage to other platforms. They have no way of monetizing it as they don’t want to collect user data.

There are no ads in Whatsapp..at least for now. They need to thread carefully here, the minute they try to do something then people migrate to a competing. I have heard talk that they would appear in the Status but at least in most regions this isn't deployed yet.

If they do, then something else will come that users will migrate to, it's just how it works. iMessage will never be it unless they go multiplatform.

 

[JMO1]

I’d welcome they bring a non nerfed version of Excel to Macosx

 

[hagar]

I’m glad iMessage is still a thing in the US but in the rest of the world it’s dead. If Apple wants to revive it, they should make it cross platform.

 

[btrach144]

Apple Fan bois: you’re not getting apples iMessage on Windows! Screeeww u!

Also Apple Fan bois: give us Microsoft Office on iPad and Mac!!!! Reeeeee

 

[Cesar Battistini]

I don't know, I don't see iMessage as a big driver of people choosing iPhone over Android. Privacy, yes, that's their big driver these days and that is there whether iMessage is on Android or not.

But they could port iMessage over to Android or even Windows without big marketshare jolts...JMHO of course.

The other angle in all this is that they may have kept it off Android so iMessage wouldn't have been the focus for the Government wanting a back door to it. That calculation may still be valid.

It's basically the main reason in the USA.

 

[d686546s]

I don't know where "outside of the US", you are but over here in the UK, it's extremely rare not to receive an iMessage. I do receive non iMessage messages from Asia but they use all sorts of messaging apps. Kakaotalk in Korea, Viber in Thailand or BBM in Indonesia.

You must live in a different UK than me, because WhatsApp is the market leader here by a long shot. It's not even close. I don't know you of course, but your case sounds like an outlier rather than being representative.

Personally, I rarely if ever receive an iMessage. Even my iPhone-carrying friends send WhatsApp or Signal messages.

 

[m4mario]

There are no ads in Whatsapp..at least for now. They need to thread carefully here, the minute they try to do something then people migrate to a competing. I have heard talk that they would appear in the Status but at least in most regions this isn't deployed yet.

If they do, then something else will come that users will migrate to, it's just how it works. iMessage will never be it unless they go multiplatform.

The point I’m making is: iMessage does not want to be it. It never wanted to be it. It’s interesting how people want iMessage to be something it does not want to be. Apple does not want it to be the most used messaging platform. Most apple users don’t want it either.

i use what’s app and signal for my primary messaging. To users who have an iPhone, or don’t use WhatsApp, I use iMessage. Because,
1) it guarantees delivery through text message to all users
2) to iPhone users, a whole lot of exclusive features gets unlocked.

That’s what apple wants iMessage to be. That’s what I want iMessage to me. Apple users are happy with iMessage being exclusive, because new features can be bought in, without the weight of needing to deploy it in other platforms. If I want to use the lowest common denominator, the I can use what apps.

 

[Premium1]

Remember, Apple only cares about your privacy when you communicate with other iPhone users, if you communicate with anyone else, they push you on the "unsecured" SMS!

Agree. If apple cared they would have incorporated RCS into iMessage so that no matter who you are messaging, it can be kept private and encrypted.

 

[coolfactor]

Remember, Apple only cares about your privacy when you communicate with other iPhone users, if you communicate with anyone else, they push you on the "unsecured" SMS!

That's completely false. It's not Apple's fault that SMS is not secure, it's the mobile industry's fault for putting profits ahead of users. iMessage is meant to directly target that problem. And any user that doesn't want to use SMS has a plethora of cross-platform messaging apps to choose from.

 

[coolfactor]

I wish there was an iMessage on Windows...
Would save me from having to pick up my phone to reply to messages while I'm doing something on my PC

Get a Mac. Problem solved. And if you need Windows, run it on your Mac. It's the most versatile computer you can buy. 🤓

 

[brofkand]

"One major theme of Windows 11 is its openness to third-party app marketplaces and Microsoft's end goal of making the platform a center of creativity outside the bounds of its own Microsoft App Store."

What a bizarre statement. Windows has always been open to third party app marketplaces. Look at Steam for one example.

This is just lazy corporate smack talking.

What this really translates to is "we're jealous of Apple's revenue on their App Store and our own attempt was a failure so we're going to try undermining Apple with this meaningless corporate platitude"

Apple's App Store is only successful on platforms where the user has no choice but to use it. It's a wasteland on the Mac, just like it is on Windows.

 

[brofkand]

That's completely false. It's not Apple's fault that SMS is not secure, it's the mobile industry's fault for putting profits ahead of users. iMessage is meant to directly target that problem. And any user that doesn't want to use SMS has a plethora of cross-platform messaging apps to choose from.

I think the point is Apple could use RCS which is encrypted and fully supported by Android as an open standard. Instead they use SMS.

 

[pugxiwawa]

Can’t believe there’s still no regular SMS message app on Windows.

 

[phpmaven]

That would actually benefit Apple more than Microsoft if they want to push iMessage utilization. Outside of the US no one uses it, and prefer to use Whatsapp or other platforms instead of having to guess what kind of phone or computer your recipient has.

Not sure what you mean. I just text anybody I want and I never think about what kind of phone they have.

 

[DJLAXL]

As someone who has all Apple ay home except for work, this would be a godsend.

 

[Premium1]

That's completely false. It's not Apple's fault that SMS is not secure, it's the mobile industry's fault for putting profits ahead of users. iMessage is meant to directly target that problem. And any user that doesn't want to use SMS has a plethora of cross-platform messaging apps to choose from.

Except there are options apple could incorporate into their iMessage that would fix the flaw that is SMS but keep licking the apple boot...