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I think Microsoft is embarrassing themselves with this Zune thing. I kind of showing the impotence of the company. I seriously don't understand why would anyone buy a Zune over the iPods.

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Have you used a Zune? Seriously....i've come to the conclusion most people on this board have never even touched a Zune.

Preferring one or the other is one thing, but iPod Classic vs. Zune 120 is dead even according to most reviews online. And it won over me personally (Zune 80) even after I had a Classic (which was a step down sound quality wise from the 20 gig).

Are you really that dense? HD video out nobody cares, fm tuner we bought this cause the radio sucks, xbox integration oh whoopee we can hope that it's only half as useless as that last xbox live update.

Only thing it has going for it is an OLED screen, Tweens who purchase these things don't care. As we've seen from other iPod killers OLED screen does not equal success.

Hey maybe mobile IE will be good.

SPARE ME.

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....until Apple does it themselves? Are you telling me an electronic compass is what the masses wanted?
 
That being said, there are still unknowns, like how well the SDK will compete with the iPhone's, and what the built-in software is going to be like. Odds are they'll just copy Apple for the latter. But the former is going to be very important.

I think it's a safe bet that it'll support the .NET Compact Framework, which is pretty good.
 
competition is always a good thing. radio + oled = ahead of ipod touch. I don't see why you would rate this negative just because you love apple to death

Well let us see here.. iPod works on both Windows and Mac OS X.. Zune only on Windows.. Car stereos and home theater work with iPod out of the box but not with Zune... I can see why iPod is a better player without even adding other things.. Zune is a joke and MS should just make their OS better then worse..
 
I don't like the idea of being able to see the screws that keep the device together

Yeah cause then you can get in and replace the SSHDD with a larger one. Thats pretty lame. I like MY components sold to ME just the way they are from the manufacturer! JUST liek Apple sells it to me at the Mac store damnit!!
 
I think it's a safe bet that it'll support the .NET Compact Framework, which is pretty good.
And XNA of course.

Well let us see here.. iPod works on both Windows and Mac OS X.. Zune only on Windows.. Car stereos and home theater work with iPod out of the box but not with Zune... I can see why iPod is a better player without even adding other things.. Zune is a joke and MS should just make their OS better then worst..

iPods didn't blow up until itunes came to the PC. If 3rd party accessories are your thing I def. agree, iPod is the obvious better choice (tho most do have a AUX / line in input these days as well). Same with OSX only.

But if its not important, then it'll do fine.


Its weird, I actually see more zunes than I would normally expect on my commute in the morning.....but of course, far more iPods. As I said before, I personally like my Zune 80 more than my Classic.....but i'm not trying to convince anyone to like something, it just seems many people just bash the Zune cause its MS.
 
Anybody notice that microsoft refers to apple's device by name, but not it's own?

The microsoft dude says it all "This device is created to go head to head with the iPod Touch".

1. It is made to imitate the Touch. Microsoft didn't dream up a Zune of their dreams, they went, uh, what's that one that's doing really well? Yeah, we wanna make one of those - maybe it will do really well!" I don't doubt that they'll make a nice device, but they miss that what makes the Touch sell is not that it follows a magic formula of features and style, but that it put together it's excellent set, with an overall vision behind it, for the first time - it defined the category. Imitation cannot take over definition.
2. They think of it as "a device". "Devices," like "products" are what managers looking for markets they can make money on see. They are generic, things for others to buy while we make a profit kinds of objects, to be compared with other such generic objects. Maybe distinct styling, or brand identity, or something like that, is an important part of selling it - but that's for the marketing people to create, to make it a successful product. If he called it by name, I might believe people at microsoft were really interested in it, in what they could do, in how people would use it. But calling it a device shows that it was a means to an end, at microsoft.
3. Apple creates the reference "device" by thinking about it as something, getting engaged, and microsoft does not. Microsoft may have good inventions, may make tons of money, but.... something is lacking. Anybody notice that he referred to apple's device by name, but not his own?
 
apple already has the market share, this will defiantly not steal it away...

You could mock Apple for the same thing in the OS market... I welcome the competition as anything the Zune HD does better than the iPod Touch pushes Apple to improve their product faster.
 
I think I like the black better:

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I like the design. I like the angles, I like the metal back (assuming it's not chrome plated plastic...).

I've got the radio headphone thingy for my iPod and it works quite well. It's not built in, but that's fine for me.

I don't understand the fetish people have for OLED. When the general public gets that excited about a technology rather than the problem being solved, it's usually a sure sign that some dark horse technology will supplant it.

What I don't understand is why MS is forever 2 years behind. I can't imagine how demoralizing that is for the design team. Everyone wants to design the best. Playing catch up *all the time* has got to hurt. The engineers tell people they out did their competition because they included a radio, but it's just self delusion.

The HD doesn't come from the screen res. I am assuming this but from what I heard it does play back HD content via this dock and an HDMI cable. That part of it is cool. If you can actually load 720p video on it a play it back that is pretty cool…

Downside? 720p HD feature film is 4 GB. I bet this baby will be a 16 GB and 32 GB model which means if you want to use the HD feature you ca only fit like 3-4 films on your device. That kinda sucks.

And DRMd out the wazoo. Considering how DRM crazy MS is, you'll be lucky if you can play your home movies on this...
 
Ummm.... 'Marketplace' doesn't fit the screen, maybe they should think of resizing the text...

QFT - the crunchy nutshell that encapsulates everything that's wrong with Microsoft.

The devil is in the details. Apple gets it. Microsoft doesn't.
 
Car stereos and home theater work with iPod out of the box but not with Zune...

What kind of magical (crippled) home theater system do you have that only accepts audio from iPods and not any device? :confused:

And DRMd out the wazoo. Considering how DRM crazy MS is, you'll be lucky if you can play your home movies on this...

Of course, we all know that those DRM-free movies and shows Apple sells are better. :rolleyes:
 
You could mock Apple for the same thing in the OS market... I welcome the competition as anything the Zune HD does better than the iPod Touch pushes Apple to improve their product faster.
However, this could only happen if, and when, it makes it to the Market Plac{
 
I wish people would stop hawking the competition argument all the time... I like competition too, but something has to *compete*. We've still got horses, but GM isn't getting any better.
 
And DRMd out the wazoo. Considering how DRM crazy MS is, you'll be lucky if you can play your home movies on this...

Zune specs are Wiiiiiiiiiiide open:

Windows Media® Audio Standard[3] (WMA) (.wma): Up to 320 Kbps; constant bit rate (CBR) and variable bit rate (VBR) up to 48-kHz sample rate. WMA Pro 2-channel up to 384 Kbps; CBR and VBR up to 48-kHz

WMA Lossless

Advanced Audio Coding (AAC) (.mp4, .m4a, .m4b, .mov) - .m4a and .m4b files without FairPlay DRM up to 320 Kbps; CBR and VBR up to 48-kHz

MP3 (.mp3) – Up to 320 Kbps; CBR and VBR up to 48-kHz

Windows Media Video (WMV) (.wmv) – Main and Simple Profile, CBR or VBR, up to 3.0 Mbps peak video bit rate; 720 pixels x 480 pixels up to 30 frames per second (or 720 pixels x 576 pixels up to 25 frames per second). Zune software will transcode HD WMV files at device sync

MPEG-4 (MP4/M4V) (.mp4) Part 2 video[4] – Simple Profile up to 2.5 Mbps peak video bit rate; 720 pixels x 480 pixels up to 30 frames per second (or 720 pixels x 576 pixels up to 25 frames per second). Zune software will transcode HD MPEG-4 files at device sync

H.264 video[4] – Baseline Profile up to 2.5 Mbps peak video bit rate; 720 pixels x 480 pixels up to 30 frames per second (or 720 pixels x 576 pixels up to 25 frames per second). Zune software will transcode HD H.264 files at device sync

DVR-MS[5] – Zune software will transcode at time of sync


This was for the Zune 8, 16, 80, 120.
 
The engineers tell people they out did their competition because they included a radio, but it's just self delusion.
But it's FM radio!

And DRMd out the wazoo. Considering how DRM crazy MS is, you'll be lucky if you can play your home movies on this...
You can squirt a friend, who can then play the song 2.5 times - gotta appreciate that.
 

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mobile IE, ha!

Why is this SOOO negative?! Not your post only but so many in the thread?

720p output to TV is incredible and only 1 small portable device does this - other than video recorder; dedicated. Samsung Omnia HD i8910. Add to this and it has an AMOLED display; again only Samsung Omnia HD, i8510, i7710, and Nokia N85 and upcoming N86 have this kind of display and it makes colours POP!

This is Great competition and hopefully causes Apple to create an incredible iPod Touch; if not then the competition will advance and offering more features that users will want/use eventually and soon at a cheaper price.
 
Looks like Zune HD will deliver my most-wanted feature for the iphone/touch: HD output via a dock. It'd be nice to replace an AppleTV or generic HTPC with something this small... here's hoping Apple gets the hint and does this now that the new ARM chips can handle the load! :cool:
 
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I must be the only one who thinks that quasi-iPhone-1st-gen look it's sportin' is actually quite sexy. Doesn't help out the software end of things, though.

Not the only one. I like the look. OLED is pretty sweet too.
 
So Zune now has
a larger screen
HD
Touchscreen (how did they get around macs patent?!?)
Internet
Social (trade songs wirelessly)
Open Source Development for its games
easily modded to fit larger Harddrives
can be hacked with Visual Basic to play anygame in C++
large internal bumpers to make it more durable
less bloated music store
cheaper media
a sweet carrying pouch/screen cleaner (the condom)

The choice is Obvious Mac Rules! Go iPodzorz!!!!1!!!one!!!!ELEVEN!!!!!woot!
 
You could mock Apple for the same thing in the OS market... I welcome the competition as anything the Zune HD does better than the iPod Touch pushes Apple to improve their product faster.

Yeah but at least Apple is making money off Mas and not losing money like Microsoft is with Zunes.
 
I wish people would stop hawking the competition argument all the time... I like competition too, but something has to *compete*. We've still got horses, but GM isn't getting any better.

Amen, brudda. It's like the little capitalistic drones just taught that competition=good just ferret out when some new product comes out. That thought is about as original as this Zune model. Might as well tell us that the sky is blue or water is wet.

As far as this epic device, something's gotta give. First of all, calling it "HD" is kind of offensive, although you gotta figure that considering "HD" radio is just a marketing term. The HD radio people couldn't come up with some better term, so they just tried to steal the thunder from the TV people. They have failed pretty handily to get HD radio out there. Why? In late 2006, my mom's $38,000 Toyota Avalon didn't have HD radio built in. This thing had GPS before GPS was cool, heated leather seats, keyless ignition, keyless entry, laser-detecting cruise control, automatic wipers, HID lights ... but no flappin' HD radio. Epic fail.

The other issue has got to be battery life. I have noticed the battery life change in my iPhone since iTunes Plus became the standard. I'm not able to get 2 full days of charge anymore. If the Zune HD can play back HD video, it is going to take a lot more processor power to do so. Unless there's some new magic battery, HD video will suck power. To me, HD video playback through this seems like a gimmick MS is trying to do after screwing the pooch on the XBox 360 with HD DVD drives. Even Apple doesn't have a really good way to play HD video on a TV (Apple TV's software is hideously simple and feature-lacking), so I don't expect Microsoft to come up with something original. Most people who want HD video will do it through a computer or buy a durn Blu-ray Disc player.
 
I wish people would stop hawking the competition argument all the time... I like competition too, but something has to *compete*. We've still got horses, but GM isn't getting any better.

Well said, hey we are all for competition but if this came out two years ago, then we would be yelling for competition from Apple but for Apple has had similar devices on the market for 2 whole years.
 
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