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Microsoft Details Shift From Entourage to Outlook for Next Major Release, Announces Office 2008 Business Edition
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Does any company today still have an IT department that is not outsourced?
Tell your IT people to upgrade!!!
Good luck with that. Upgrading an Exchange system sends shivers up the spine of most IT pros.
Nope, not in Entourage EWS. I could have sworn I read something that server-side rules were going to be implmented with EWS (magazine article or something). I guess it was just wild conjecture - and I'm very disappointed.
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If I recall, MS purchased a company that wrote Entourage; MS didn't create it. Other than the greed in coercing people to use Windows/Outlook, I will never understand why MS abandoned Mac Outlook in favor of Entourage, which was never meant to be an Exchange client.
So, now I have Entourage EWS and, other than the joy of having to recreate my account and preference settings, I see no difference between EWS and the older Entourage 2008. Are there any USER enhancements or are all these wonderful changes with EWS behind the scenes? I'm still bitter about not having server-side rules.
I suspect that I'll switch to SL's mail and ical. Given that both that and Entourage are/will be bastardized exchange clients, I see no point in wasting disk space and frustration with a MS product - if I'm going to be frustrated with insufficient Exchange support, I'm going to do it right by going with a 3rd party client.
More than anything else, I think that's really the case. AppleWorks wasn't really an Office competitor, and although Apple is trying to position iWork as a genuine (and cheaper) alternative, there's quite a lot to catch up on, including Microsoft's de facto standards.
I've been following iWork and NeoOffice for a while, and they're both getting there (and in some areas surpass Office). But I'd say that neither has truly arrived as a genuine competitor yet.
Now we're talking! Congratulations for announcing such a wonderful release in 2010, MS!
MS is NOT DEAD.
Well as long as we realize that, yes they want our monies, we can all get along right?I think you've just explained the theory of business competition, in which case, the fault is both Microsoft and Apple's - but for different reasons. And yeah, iTunes on Windows is amazingly joyless, but then again, Apple wants you to buy a Mac.
Not to mention Apple does have to license software and components from Microsoft for the iPhone and Snow Leopard.
Absolutely shocking statement
!! Say it isn't so BRI agree, i was more pointing out that BR said MS is NOT DEAD, total departure
Some people need full blown Outlook for the Exchange environment they're in. Hell I do. I'd much rather run it on my Mac to be honest.Absolutely shocking statement
Why bother bringing back Outlook to a platform whose market share growth is nothing more than a rounding error?
I guess MS sees the writing on the wall.
When Ballmer walks into a room full to bursting with Macs, hardly ready to explain away MS' gross miscalculations, and says "we have more work to do . . . we have more work to do", dollars-to-donuts he's got Apple on the mind.
I guess MS sees the writing on the wall.
When Ballmer walks into a room full to bursting with Macs, hardly ready to explain away MS' gross miscalculations, and says "we have more work to do . . . we have more work to do", dollars-to-donuts he's got Apple on the mind.
It's all x86 now. I don't see a reason to make Microsoft the other when they're selling software that can run on the hardware alone or dare I say it under OS X.
A Mac is another computer to have Windows on or run Office. Why not? The whole walled garden mentality is dying in more ways than one for the user base.
Entourage's support is more complete than Snow Leopard's. Try and do Public Calendars, or other users' calendars, for example, and forget about category syncing (which the Entourage EWS update now adds).
Everyone keeps expecting Snow Leopard to be this "magic bullet" for Exchange support, to entirely surpass Entourage and usher in a new utopia for Exchange-using Mac users. But even Entourage still leads it in terms of feature parity, esp since Snow Leopard's Exchange integration is essentially a 1.0 product. Snow Leopard doesn't even do anything protocol-wise that Entourage EWS doesn't do.
Absolutely shocking statement
I agree, i was more pointing out that BR said MS is NOT DEAD, total departure
Actually I mean it in this context, especially because MS is confirming the Mac is gonna be the most relevant computing platform in the next 10 years...it's about time MS came with a damn REAL porting of Outlook for the Mac; and hopefully they will get their act together this time.
So do I, but not nearly as well as Outlook. Mail is a (extreme) lightweight that can't handle the task if you have more than a few emails. Entourage (and Outlook) can handle many 10's (or even 100's) of thousands of emails without blinking and eye; Mail could never do that.I recently switched my mom to Mac and she actually likes Entourage much better than Mail. WTF!!!
Now if Apple would only do something about the lackluster hardware.
Snow Leopard hackintosh here we come.
surely with Apple and their superior staff, they should be able to catch up on only 30 years head start
You're missing the point, Microsoft made a commitment to Apple's customers to create Office. If they are gonna make it, then don't half-ass it and still call it "Office". This spiteful stuff that Microsoft does against Apple is actually hurting the PAYING customer, not Apple. Customer's are expecting to get the SAME version of Office on Mac as it is on Windows and we deserve to get, after all we are PAYING for it. You're NOT paying anything for iTunes. You can use iTunes without an iPod.
Nope, not in Entourage EWS. I could have sworn I read something that server-side rules were going to be implmented with EWS (magazine article or something). I guess it was just wild conjecture - and I'm very disappointed.
If I recall, MS purchased a company that wrote Entourage; MS didn't create it. Other than the greed in coercing people to use Windows/Outlook, I will never understand why MS abandoned Mac Outlook in favor of Entourage, which was never meant to be an Exchange client.
So, now I have Entourage EWS and, other than the joy of having to recreate my account and preference settings, I see no difference between EWS and the older Entourage 2008. Are there any USER enhancements or are all these wonderful changes with EWS behind the scenes? I'm still bitter about not having server-side rules.
I suspect that I'll switch to SL's mail and ical. Given that both that and Entourage are/will be bastardized exchange clients, I see no point in wasting disk space and frustration with a MS product - if I'm going to be frustrated with insufficient Exchange support, I'm going to do it right by going with a 3rd party client.
You can import your old stuff from your old Main Identity.
Because if Microsoft doesn't upgrade they are evil and terrible with their customers, if they do upgrade they are giving into the almighty empire known as Apple.
It's called Microsoft upgrading a product. Thats all. No writing on the wall they are just upgrading a product that has been in need of upgrading for 2 versions now.
And please.... SL Exchange Support is not going to be all its cracked up to be. I was hoping it would be but it doesn't seem that way.
I can't wait to put Snow Leopard on my Dell Mini 9. It's not that I won't like Apple's mythical tablet whenever it finally arrives, but the Mini 9 was cheaper, has lots of ports (which I'm guessing the Apple tablet won't, if the Air is any indicator), it's Intel-based and runs full enough OS X, and benchmarks at about the same as a fast iBook G4 with Leopard.
I'm not cool enough for a Mac Pro. Next month is Lynnfield so a nice Core i7-860, on a P55 with dual PCI-Express 2.0 x16 slots, and DDR3 is my next upgrade. Hopefully I can get Snow Leopard onto it eventually.
My MacBook serves me so well I don't see a need to replace it.
It's like this: Microsoft does spreadsheets, schedules and pie charts. You know, the dull stuff that makes money for businesses. Apple is better at the fun stuff. The stuff that businesses don't really need.
I know this, because Apple said so in its adverts.