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Microsoft Details Shift From Entourage to Outlook for Next Major Release, Announces Office 2008 Business Edition
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Depends on the person I guess; I moved all the users at the place I worked from First Class to Zimbra within a couple of days; notification then switch over at around 11pm-12 midnight. The next day the users were none the wiser; everything rolled along.
It depends on whether you're willing to do the required homework before moving to a new version or to another vendor.
With that being said, anyone who complains about Exchange should experience Notes - the most horrible POS ever devised whose client (Notes Client) should be classified as a torture device.
an office suite has no affect on whether or not companies decide to introduce the apple OS on their networks.
You can actually quite easily connect Sharepoint Contacts and Calendars to Outlook 2003 and 2007 (Just hit actions, Connect to Outlook). Entourage however is unsurprisingly unsupported. Where Public Folders really shine over Sharepoint is shared mail folders. We file all our client communications in a dedicated public folder for each client so we all can refer to previous communications. I have yet to see a decent replacement for this, and is one of the reasons I'm really disappointed Snow Leopard's Exchange client isn't supporting Public Folders.
I respectfully disagree, as a matter of fact the only reason I have to bring in my own macs and use webmail at a present company, is because no outlook = no support. Entourage does not count. As soon as we we get outlook, we get support.
Amen and amen.
In the middle of conversion from Exchange 2003 to 2007 myself. Last step is moving the mailboxes, and updating the routing protocols, killing 2003 off. Most bulk operations will take place while the users sleep... update DNS later, and boom done.
And as for Notes: yeah. Throw in Domino Server, and legacy support for cc:Mail, and you have a fine death stew. Ah, the bad old days....
this'll be a boon to business users
I've known a number of Windows users thinking of switching to Mac OS X and one of their chief reservations is having to abandon Outlook; just the fact that Entourage is called Entourage and not Outlook puts them on edge.
Although Outlook has its deficiencies, I hope that the Mac version ends up similar enough to the Windows version that users won't have much trouble making the switch. Entourage as it currently stands is mostly a piece of crap.
I've known a number of Windows users thinking of switching to Mac OS X and one of their chief reservations is having to abandon Outlook; just the fact that Entourage is called Entourage and not Outlook puts them on edge.
Although Outlook has its deficiencies, I hope that the Mac version ends up similar enough to the Windows version that users won't have much trouble making the switch. Entourage as it currently stands is mostly a piece of crap.
MS ordered to halt Word sales.
Ummm, I'm late into this post so this may have already been addressed. If so, my apologies. If not, then you may find this interesting.
http://news.globaltv.com/sports/Can...+halts+Microsoft+Word+sales/1885844/story.htm
Ummm, I'm late into this post so this may have already been addressed. If so, my apologies. If not, then you may find this interesting.
http://news.globaltv.com/sports/Can...+halts+Microsoft+Word+sales/1885844/story.htm
Well, it only really affects Word. Here's a good explanation:
http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/176441.asp?from=blog_last3
Thanks for the better link. Word is a HUGE part of MS Office. To my thinking, eliminate Word and there is really no compelling reason to buy Office.
As much as I hate Windows with a passionate zeal reserved for religious folk - I am always happy with Microsofts middleware. I would love to see Microsoft focus on their middleware more than their operating system - that is where their strength is.
I'd love to see their whole Office product range (with feature and quality parity) and Expression rage ported to Mac OS X - I'd know if it were available I'd probably (95%) buy their high end office package and the Expression package without any hesitation.
Microsoft needs to realise what IBM realised years ago - the money is in the middleware and services.
InfoPath is for publishing forms, so users can submit information. This can be handled by a database, a Sharepoint server and a slew of other applications. Useful in Businesses for collecting input, e.g. complaint forms, document uploads, support tickets and such.
Does anyone know if Entourage WSE will be a free upgrade to current Office 2008 users? Can't seem to find this info anywhere on the MacBU site.
The time is come again!!!
MS Office will be Mac Exclusive... again.
Then theyll make another OS!!!
and forget about us... again.
Gotta disagree. Excel is the most important. Word, after PowerPoint, would be the esiest to leave behind. Most, even in a business, don't need half of the power features that Word offers. Right now there is no spreadsheet program that approaches the power of Excel which many use to it's fullest capabilities in a wide range of areas.
It will be interesting to see what Outlook for the Mac looks like. Outlook 2010 looks like such a UI mess, like the rest of Office 2010 that I would not want to see an exact port.
If your researchers are heavily dependent on VBA than you should consider a Fusion or Parallels / Office for Windows solution. While I realize that defeats much of the purpose of owning a Mac, at least it solves the VB problem until or if MS ports it to the Mac. I use such a solution because I need Outlook as a primary mail system as well as Visio.
While I also use a Mac in a PC centered firm; there is one very valid reason for using MS Office - full compatibility with MS Office files. I can't afford to have a file be unreadable or messed up when I ship it to a client, hence my use of Fusion / Office.
Yes, the laets version of Office for Windows has some issues, especially Powerpoints use of templates, but at least I know what the client will see; soemthing I can't be sure of with NeoOffice.
NO, OTOH, is nice; but it's import features are problematic - I never know what it will screw up. I do recommend it to friends with HS / college students because it does meet their needs quite nicely, once you set it up properly.
I use Outlook exclusively at work and appreciate its many features. I wish Mail was as versatile and rich with the email features of Outlook. Since neither is the case with Mail, I am looking forward to Microsoft's Mac version next year.
Have to agree. MS middleware, all the way up to the server level, I can live with. Exchange and SQL Server are OK, but IIS in any flavor or version is tolerable as long as you don't let it out to the interwebs all by itself.
And I think that's where we approach the difference between MS and Apple, using IBM as the exception which proves the rule. MS, on the OS side, has been forced to make so many concessions in terms of backwards compatibility, hardware compatibility, and so on, that holes large enough to herd cats through them are still being discovered. I think this extends to most things on the desktop as well, to include Office and IE.
Apple, OTOH, has held control of both hardware and software, and is blessed with a far more stable and robust core in the first place. When you are certain of the road, you can tweak the car -- no need to pack sand paddles and snow chains, as it were.
IBM once held it all in an iron fist, from the big iron to the green screen. Piece by piece, they didn't relinquish that control willingly, it was taken from them by their customers. Instead of dictating "you may have this", IBM now says, "may we sell you this or this or that? Please?".
We're seeing history repeated, I think. MS should, in my humble opinion, concentrate where they excel, and own that segment. They, like IBM before, are beginning to lose their total hegemony. I think we will see the day when MS is a leader in certain areas, and merely a player in many others.
Disclaimer: Yes, MS defenders, I know. Win7 is on the way, it will blah blah blah. It will sell millions of copies, I'm sure. It'll be a good OS, and so on. Not what I'm talking about, however. I am not sounding the "death knell" for MS, not at all. I'm saying that MS's focus not only can change, but that it should, and sooner or later, it will. It's unavoidable now. IMO.
We'll need to wait and see about that.
The same thing was said about Vista just prior to release. We'll only really know the story after the first 3-4 months. MS has quite a lousy reputation to live down in this area, and the beta testers themselves (if Vista was anything to go by) can't be trusted entirely. We already know that sales of Windows are not connected to the quality of the finished product. Sales simply happen due to ubiquitous licensing, inertia, and consumer ignorance (although we're slowly moving out of the ignorance phase, albeit very slowly.)
It's only when Joe Average installs it and uses it that we'll know the reality of the situation. Remember, this is Windows we're talking about.
True, except that Joe Average doesn't install anything. He buys his computer at Best Buy, takes it home, and uses it.