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Microsoft Highlights Compatibility, Graphing and Photo Editing in Office for Mac 2011
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I guess those fanboys don't have any real work to do then. Anyone who has tried to work on a word document with pages knows it's a pain. Ditto for excel documents in numbers.
It's funny how Microsoft has managed to monopolize the term "real work." Wow, I wonder how the world didn't completely collapse back in the WordPerfect and Lotus 1-2-3 days, you know, when "real work" wasn't possible because Microsoft had yet to duplicate their products?
For the crap I've put up with on Office 2008, I want a free upgrade to Office 2011. But that is not going to happen.
And what are the chances....
that this, finally, will be their first piece of software EVER thats not a bug laden, vulnerability-plagued, overly-complicated, un-user-friendly, bloated POS...close to zero, IMHO...buy iWork and save yourself the grief....
They lost me with Windoze 98 service pack 1....bought a Mac back then when it was still a small cult...it's a very LARGE cult now...have managed to exorcize Micro**** right out of my life. **** them, just like they did to me.
Sincerely,
Cameron
Mac Evangelist
that this, finally, will be their first piece of software EVER thats not a bug laden, vulnerability-plagued, overly-complicated, un-user-friendly, bloated POS...close to zero, IMHO...buy iWork and save yourself the grief....
They lost me with Windoze 98 service pack 1....bought a Mac back then when it was still a small cult...it's a very LARGE cult now...have managed to exorcize Micro**** right out of my life. **** them, just like they did to me.
Sincerely,
Cameron
Mac Evangelist
I love my Mac as much as anyone else but seriously? iWork isn't bug-laden, un-user-friendly, bloated, and I will add, crash-prone?
I like iWork, I really do, but the reason I like it is because it generates slick-looking results, not because it's any faster, lighter, or easier to use than Office.
Actually, Keynote is far faster, lighter and easier to use than PowerPoint. Sadly, it's still missing some important features that make it less than a full PowerPoint competitor.
That said, I'd prefer to design a presentation in Keynote over PowerPoint any day of the week.
You should try Office For Mac 2011's grammar checker
But in all seriousness the Beta is one of the most stable beta's I have ever used, and the new UI is very user friendly.
Office for Windows and Office for Mac will never be 100% compatible.
Why? One major component.
Access. OSX is will turn 11 years old in January.
There isn't, and according to Microsoft never will be, a Mac version of Access.
So Mac users have 2 options for using it: get a Windows PC or put Windows in a virtual environment. Either way, you have to buy a copy of Windows and Office for PC. Price that out will ya.
Filemaker Pro has cornered the market in DB management on the Mac, and access for Mac would have a considerable hill to climb in regards to marketshare to justify the development time and budget for Microsoft to go up against it.
You can import access files into filemaker pro.
http://www.filemaker.com/help/html/import_export.16.9.html
http://www.filemaker.com/help/html/import_export.16.9.html
Oh, and just the other day I was asked to reformat a huge list of photo bios for a big management conference coming up. Instead of 2 photos/bios per page they wanted 3 to cut down on the number of pages. They had laid this out using Word. What a nightmare. Word is a joke for any type of page layout work. I finally gave up and recreated the entire thing in Pages on my personal computer, then printed to PDF and sent it to them for print. Pages completely kicked Word's trash in this regard.
Though, of course, Pages isn't capable of "real work" as some on this thread imply.
I'm now using Pages after years of use of ClarisWorks/AppleWorks. The drawing component of AppleWorks was perfect for me and the many forms and documents I created. Meanwhile, every version of MS Word has battled against me if I dared use it as a page layout program.Though, of course, Pages isn't capable of "real work" as some on this thread imply.
I used to LOVE the AppleWorks drawing module. The closest equivalent I've found on the PC is Visio (which, while now part of the MS Office suite, was not actually written by MS, they bought the company that made it).
So if we can just get Microsoft to buy Claris...
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This is where iWork falls pitifully behind the Microsoft equivalent: the ability to create and/or modify graphics (not to mention the lack of an online clipart gallery like Microsoft's, which mostly sucks to be sure, but at least it's there) directly inside the applications. Apple has alpha and masking, but not much else beyond the rudimentary tools.
Who would have thought that the day would come when a Microsoft app would be better at graphics than its Apple equivalent?
I wish Apple would get on the ball and build out these apps.(Of course Keynote transitions, animations, themes and automatic aligning guides still make PowerPoint look so 1995.)
I might remotely give a crap about iWork the moment that they integrate an easy to use bibliographical feature like what is available in Office 2008 - this isn't a trivial feature by the way, this is the main reason why university students purchase it given that submission of papers at most universities can be done in either doc/docx or pdf if required.
Ha... This is Microsoft~ and they will never change~ That's why Microsoft is FAIL
Access?
Access is used to store the name & address information used for a mail merge in Windows. Excel is used on the Mac. That is one of your Access items that is really in your comment.
Office for Windows and Office for Mac will never be 100% compatible.
Why? One major component.
Access. OSX is will turn 11 years old in January.
There isn't, and according to Microsoft never will be, a Mac version of Access.
So Mac users have 2 options for using it: get a Windows PC or put Windows in a virtual environment. Either way, you have to buy a copy of Windows and Office for PC. Price that out will ya.
Access is used to store the name & address information used for a mail merge in Windows. Excel is used on the Mac. That is one of your Access items that is really in your comment.
Is "FAIL"? They dominate this space and have the by far best office suite. Pages and Numbers is a joke for heavy office tasks.
+1
I'm happy to see all these stability and feature improvements in office '11 but I feel annoyed looking back at office 2008...
To answer a bunch of questions
As we announced in May 2008, and have consistently reaffirmed since them, VBA is returning to Office:Mac 2011. Specifically, we've brought VBA 6.5 to Office 2011.
We had a trial for Office 2008, and we'll have a trial for Office 2011.
Well, I'm not a beta tester , but yes, Outlook:Mac supports public folders in Exchange.
Outlook:Mac supports Exchange 2007 and Exchange 2010, both of which support (and have enabled by default) Exchange Web Services. If you're using Exchange 2003 or earlier, you'll need to continue using Entourage 2008 or earlier (or ask your Exchange admin to enable IMAP).
Our love of Exchange Web Services is twofold: it's way faster than the previous way to connect to Exchange (via WebDAV), and it provides lots more functionality to us. For example, with WebDAV, we couldn't support synchronisation of tasks, notes, and categories. Exchange Web Services totally changed that for us.
I don't think we've ever said that there never would be Access on the Mac.
When we consider whether we should add another application to our portfolio, we have two major areas to consider:
1. What is the need? How many people need it? How are their needs being currently met (if at all)?
2. What is the cost? How much development effort will it require, how experienced do those developers need to be, and how long will it take them?
So far, the equation hasn't worked out in favour of bringing Access to the Mac. The cost of bringing Access to the Mac is high because it relies on many Windows OS features to function, and the need is relatively low. This is something we reevaluate frequently to determine if it's time to make a change.
Thanks!
As we get closer to our launch in October, we'll be revealing more details about what's coming in Office 2011. There's several things that have been discussed in this thread that I want to comment on but can't yet -- suffice it to say that just because we haven't said anything about it yet doesn't mean that it's not happening in this release.
Regards,
Nadyne.
zaphon said:
As we announced in May 2008, and have consistently reaffirmed since them, VBA is returning to Office:Mac 2011. Specifically, we've brought VBA 6.5 to Office 2011.
costabunny said:
We had a trial for Office 2008, and we'll have a trial for Office 2011.
entropyfl said:
Well, I'm not a beta tester
, but yes, Outlook:Mac supports public folders in Exchange. Kelmon said:
Outlook:Mac supports Exchange 2007 and Exchange 2010, both of which support (and have enabled by default) Exchange Web Services. If you're using Exchange 2003 or earlier, you'll need to continue using Entourage 2008 or earlier (or ask your Exchange admin to enable IMAP).
Our love of Exchange Web Services is twofold: it's way faster than the previous way to connect to Exchange (via WebDAV), and it provides lots more functionality to us. For example, with WebDAV, we couldn't support synchronisation of tasks, notes, and categories. Exchange Web Services totally changed that for us.
BayouMan said:
I don't think we've ever said that there never would be Access on the Mac.
When we consider whether we should add another application to our portfolio, we have two major areas to consider:
1. What is the need? How many people need it? How are their needs being currently met (if at all)?
2. What is the cost? How much development effort will it require, how experienced do those developers need to be, and how long will it take them?
So far, the equation hasn't worked out in favour of bringing Access to the Mac. The cost of bringing Access to the Mac is high because it relies on many Windows OS features to function, and the need is relatively low. This is something we reevaluate frequently to determine if it's time to make a change.
MacRumorUser said:
Thanks!
As we get closer to our launch in October, we'll be revealing more details about what's coming in Office 2011. There's several things that have been discussed in this thread that I want to comment on but can't yet -- suffice it to say that just because we haven't said anything about it yet doesn't mean that it's not happening in this release.
Regards,
Nadyne.
