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Microsoft Launched Vista on Tuesday

I've owned my iMac (PPC) for just over a year........

All I can say is "Why didn't I buy one sooner!!"....

I have no desire, nay, no intentions of switching back to a Windows machine.

Who cares about Vista. My IT guy at work said they won't be upgrading the systems to Vista.....too risky!!! They've just been able to stabilize the network on XP, so going to Vista would be too costly, time consuming and, like I said, risky.

But, I'm sure they'll sell a ton of them because they're on 95% of the machines out there. However, I wonder if more people will start switching to Linux due to all the bad publicity Vista's receiving?
 
Some classic quotes

I have a couple of classic quotes from someone that works at Microsoft. I obviously can't name them, but we had a little discussion at lunch time about Vista and I mentioned that I was a Mac user.

He obviously extolled the virtues of Vista and then said the following:

"Vista's much better than Safari"
erm ... Safari is a browser I said
"aah, yes" was the reply.

hmmm

Then we got:

"Of course you know that Microsoft own 45% of Apple" he said, "that's why OS X is so good"

at that point I grinned and went back to work :)
 
Funny

Watched the review re Vista launch on News at Ten last night and half way through the VT talking to Uncle Bill it froze!

I was begging the anchor to say something witty about using Windows
 
waltchan said:
Windows Vista really sucks and is very buggy. Buy it at your own risk. I hear the Vista Ultimate version is the worst. After only fifteen minutes out from the box in my new Gateway GM5242 (highest-end) desktop computer, the whole system crashes and has since refused to boot up or work correctly. Restoring it back to factory settings is not possible as there are numerous, no-reason system errors popping up on the screen all the time that prevent any recovery to begin, and Gateway and Microsoft customer reps still have no idea how to fix the problem. So, right now, six hours later, I am still on the phone with them. And Gateway customer reps don't really feel like helping. All they do is read the stupid script typed by Gateway with no knowledge in computers at all. Basically, I have a $2,000 expensive paperweight (with a 24" Gateway widescreen LCD monitor together) sitting on my desk still in inoperable order (which means, I can use my MacBook more), and I don't know how long it will take for me to learn Vista. And, I can't return it back to the store. :mad: There is nothing wrong with the hardware in the computer, but only the Microsoft Vista Ultimate software that prevents the system to work correctly. I could format the whole hard drive and put Windows XP in, but what's the point for the price I originally paid. And don't say why I bought a Gateway (yeah, I know Gateway's reliability is the worst by Consumer Reports). I bought Gateway because Gateway is the only maker out there to offer new styling in PCs at the Windows Vista launch date. All the other brands (HP, Compaq, Acer, and Sony) are still using the same style for two years now (shame), and two year old design is already considered to be old or obsolete to many people.

Good thing Apple computers are never like this. They have always been dependable on me.
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Maybe for you. I locked up once a week on my first MBP. Now its about once a month on this C2DMBP. I use my older thinkpad as my work laptop because I need to know the system won't crash. I can count on one hand the number of times XP and 2K have frozen/locked up/BSODed on me and 4 of those times were due to me dinking around with drivers. Again Vista is Microsoft's 10.0. OS X was NOT pretty when it launched, and was pretty much a joke to many. Vista is a hell of a lot more polished then OS X was at the time. I fully expect in a years time most of Vista's bugs will be shaken out. Just like most of OS X's have been over the last 7 years.
 
I played around with Vista Ultimate RC2 and I like the interface a bit. I like the transclucence of the windows. I think I'll get it just so I can play games that aren't out on Mac yet. The only thing is I don't know where to get the Vista drivers for my C2D MacBook Pro.
 
SiliconAddict said:
Maybe for you. I locked up once a week on my first MBP. Now its about once a month on this C2DMBP. I use my older thinkpad as my work laptop because I need to know the system won't crash. I can count on one hand the number of times XP and 2K have frozen/locked up/BSODed on me and 4 of those times were due to me dinking around with drivers. Again Vista is Microsoft's 10.0. OS X was NOT pretty when it launched, and was pretty much a joke to many. Vista is a hell of a lot more polished then OS X was at the time. I fully expect in a years time most of Vista's bugs will be shaken out. Just like most of OS X's have been over the last 7 years.
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I too just got a C2DMBP and have noticed that OS X is a little less stable than on my PPC Mac's. Not as bad as your experience though, only a few crashes in the 2 weeks I've owned it.

As for the equating Vista to being MS's "10.0", I'd beg to differ. Vista may be fine and dandy, but it's still based on the NT/2K/XP kernel where as the OS X kernel shared nothing with the classic Mac OS one.

I do agree with you though, that Vista is much more polished than OS X 10.0 was.
 
Activation request on demo site!

I was playing with the www.windowsvistatestdrive.com site and opened a Word document thy had sitting on the desktop in MS Work 2007. I actually think I will like the new "ribbon" controls when they put them in the Mac version. After a minute or so, the online demo "lab" machine popped up a request to activate MS Office 2007! LOL!

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andyadler said:
How much hard disk space will a typical Vista install require? I have a 120gb MBP, and I need to run at least one Windows program (Dragon Naturally Speaking) on it. Installing XP may end up to be a better choice, though.
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man if you dont have a least 2 gigs of ram you wont even be able to watch a dvd!;) dont even bother with it
 
Cartoon in Dutch newspapers today

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Translation:

Fokke and Sukke do not want Windows Vista at all.

F: We want an i-phone!
S: Like you can call anyone with Windows Vista?!!

And whether you think it is funny or not, I thought it was really telling something that a rather popular, normally non-tech cartoon in a regular newspaper made a comparison like this. To me, it is proof that Apple is really rising compared to Microsoft. I'm curious to see how Leopard will be received in the general news.
 
Hertog said:
imggif.php

Translation:

Fokke and Sukke do not want Windows Vista at all.

F: We want an i-phone!
S: Like you can call anyone with Windows Vista?!!

And whether you think it is funny or not, I thought it was really telling something that a rather popular, normally non-tech cartoon in a regular newspaper made a comparison like this. To me, it is proof that Apple is really rising compared to Microsoft. I'm curious to see how Leopard will be received in the general news.
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Do the Dutch not wear pants? :eek:
 
Know what you are getting

As many of you know there are different versions of Vista. From what I've learned I wouldn't upgrade to Vista if you are planning on using Vista. Instead you will want a new machine that is capable of running it.

For example, if you purchase the ultimate edition for an upgrade and your PC isn't capable of running all the ultimate feature, Vista will downgrade itself to run only those features your PC can run. Some people purchased Vista for an upgrade but after loading it on their PC have the basic home edition, which is like having XP with a little more security and the spotlight feature. If you call Microsoft and complain they tell you your machine is running the ultimate, which is true but not all the ultimate features work.

So your stuck having spent a lot of money on the ultimate edition but are only able to run home edition features. These different editions Microsoft schemed up is a bunch of hog wash. Why not just come out with one version and include everything. Another reason I switched to Apple and I'm not looking back.
 
virtual vista

SiliconAddict said:
The CD case has been staring at me on the corner of my desk for about a week now. I finally gave in and loaded it up in BootCamp. I'm still exploring all the various feature but so far I'm somewhat impressed. MS got rid of about about 70% of the annoying crap that really turned me off in Beta 2. The other 30%? well about 20% of that I've been able to either turn off or find a tweak online. Suspend and Hibernate still doesn't work right on the MBP but that is purely in Apple's corner at this point. I really hope the final version of BootCamp comes with Vista drivers but I'm not going to hold my breath.

for anyone who wants to try out vista: http://www.windowsvistatestdrive.com/

Its got to be in IE though. But I understand why. MS lets you play around with virtual sessions on a server up in the sky somewhere. Enter an e-mail address (can be fake.) Click on one of the propa....I mean feature buttons. Then click on the test drive button. It will start up what I'm assuming is a Virtual Server session. You can jack up the resolution of you want more then the standard 800 x 600 window. Kinda slick.

PS- I do Dell warrantee work and over the last week I've had a ton of people ask me about Vista. I can barely hold in a laugh when they ask if their system with 256MB of RAM can run it. Oh the CPU is fine. The GPU with 64MB of VRAM is OK. But 256MB? Vista would fling the CD out of the optical drive so hard that it would embed itself in the wall on the opposite side of most rooms.
Basically I tell them wait a year. Which is the outright truth. Vista is Microsoft's OS 10.0. Its rough around the edges. (To be fair less so then what 10.0 was at the time.) But it has the right framework in place.
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i have to say that despite the negative comments here, i am quite impressed with vista's look for this online trial version. it does however feel a bit more like a more menu-driven osx tiger though... for that i am not upset, the os world is full of plagiarism. we all remember that steve chose widgets as the name for what came before as widgets even though it was a confabulator (if i remember correctly) scheme.

osx is as guilty of many of the copy-cat evils as vista is - both of the open source world. it is funny however though that instead of their rubbish jpeg of sky or field, they have chosen those 'abstract' esque images for their desktops and finally visually admitting that osx is the better. still, i cannot say overall that i find vista better than xp. i liked to be able to go to classic mode and have a minimalist windows which is clean lines and classic.

luna is ugly, but so too is the new ie, no style amalgamising at all... shame it is too. cheers
 
Mr. Amiga500 said:
I've read a report from one Vista user explaining that on their "AMD Athlon 64 X2, 2gb of dual channel RAM, SATA HD, and an ATI 9200SE", they got an error message saying that their graphics card is not powerful enough to run solitare.

Excuse me for wanting to vomit, but an ATI RADEON 9200 not powerful enough to run frigging Windows SOLITAIRE??? I can run a kick-ass animated solitaire on my 1987 Amiga 500! What the hell is this world coming to?
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I find this hard to believe. In fact, I call total BS. I put vista business on a not-so-current thinkpad and all features including aero are working as far as I can tell. And yes, solitaire works.
 
breaking down Vista

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html#functionality

This part made me howl:

"Vista includes various requirements for “robustness” in which the content industry, through “hardware robustness rules”, dictates design requirements to hardware manufacturers. The level of control the content producers have over technical design details is nothing short of amazing. As security researcher Ed Felten quoted from Microsoft documents on his freedom-to-tinker web site about a year ago:

“The evidence [of security] must be presented to Hollywood and other content owners, and they must agree that it provides the required level of security. Written proof from at least three of the major Hollywood studios is required”.

So if you design a new security system, you can't get it supported in Windows Vista until well-known computer security experts like MGM, 20th Century-Fox, and Disney give you the go-ahead (this gives a whole new meaning to the term “Mickey-Mouse security”). It's absolutely astonishing to find paragraphs like this in what are supposed to be Windows technical documents, since it gives Hollywood studios veto rights over Windows security mechanisms."
 
Grakkle said:
Of course it will. A lot of people might wait a few months to buy Vista, to wait out the bugs, but after that XP will be dead. It'll probably be available for half what it's selling for now.

That's what happened with 2000 and Millennium when XP came out.
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Millennium deserved to die. :p
 
Eidorian said:
Well it's finally here. I don't have to support it at work yet! :D

I've played with Vista RC 2 and the test drive. Aero is very demanding for what it does. I had to many application issues to. Looks like I'm sticking with XP to game.
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Agreed. Ultimate is very slow, and things that took three clicks to do in XP now take 5 clicks in Visa. No run option from Start, hard to reach tcp/ip settings, etc. I hope they fix the performance issues :/
 
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