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Microsoft, you are so dumb...

An half-assed bridge of the old language.

When Apple is strongly adopting Swift, which will be open source.




Pretty neat, and they still don't even have system-wide spell checker? Okay...

Good job MS. Now make like Eddie Cue and deal with Swift.

The article mentions this is "clearly a work in progress" so I am sure they will account for other languages in due time...
 
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It's certainly not as wonderful as Microsoft makes it sound. It allows apps with very limited functionality and doesn't have access to most of the APIs.

And most importantly, it doesn't address the biggest problem. No one is using Windows Phone. Developers aren't developing for the platform because no one uses it. Why spend all the time making your app work right (and this is going to take possibly even more work than building the app much from the ground up on the platform) and keeping it updated if you have such a small user-base and very small potential for revenue from it. It's not worth the time or effort to be on the platform.

The Windows app store also extends to all laptops and desktops running the OS...
 
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As much as I'm sure Apple is trying, I hope they don't succeed in keeping the majority of quality mobile app developers to themselves. I'm really rooting for the "new" MS especially. As the only other major company that makes desktop/mobile software and hardware (that I'm aware of), they are the only ones that can viably compete with Apple in creating a full and robust ecosystem for users, which will force Apple to stay sharp and on their toes. If they eventually do it better, I'll probably even switch ecosystems. Why not... I have no brand loyalty. Apple just does it best right now.
 
Would really liked to have seen MS make a good run with the windows Phones. If they don't do something drastic they will never make a dent in the market share.

IMHO, there OS is on par with with android, but I think the marketing and sales strategy is way off.
 
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Since it only works on Objective C code I wonder if this will have an effect on getting developers to adopt Swift
 
And most importantly, it doesn't address the biggest problem. No one is using Windows Phone. Developers aren't developing for the platform because no one uses it.

And I'm sure a lot of people don't use Windows phone because there are so few apps for it. Catch 22. Someone has to break the cycle.

There are no iOS apps running on x86 or x64 processor architectures unless you count the iOS Simulator.

Oh yeah didn't catch that haha. I thought it to mean 32 bit or 64 bit. Perhaps? Are all iOS apps compatible with both?

They'll work to get "on top" and then slowly become the arrogant POS they have always been.

Better to ignore them and they will go away. We will all benefit from no more Microsoft. And, yes, I've hated them since before I was a Mac user.

The new MS seems to have a much different culture under Nutella. I think they've leaned their lesson. And it's certainly going to be awhile before they get back on top and are able to forget the mistakes they had to overcome. In the meantime, they are the underdogs, and we all love underdogs, no?
And I have to disagree that we would all benefit from no more MS. They are the only ones that can compete with Apple in creating a full ecosystem of products (starting with desktop/mobile software/hardware). No competition for Apple and Apple will become the MS you so hate.

Windows 10 with new Lumia phones is the future.

I'd love to see that and I could see it happening. This new MS has great potential.
 
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All the Apple drones on this thread who may cut their wrists over this.

I'm sorry to interrupt the discussion over this, but could you please refrain from describing self-harm? I am very sensitive to that kind of stuff, and I'm just trying to keep myself safe. Thank you.
 
As a non-developer who has a small amount of coding experience, I'm curious -- does this impact performance at all as it is a conversion? Is it "native"?
 
I have been with Apple since almost the beginning. My first computer was the Apple II. Before IBM and MS-DOS. Everyone says that Apple without Steve is different and they are right because Tim is different. And Microsoft with out Ballmer is different because Nadal is different. Time will tell whether the difference is good or bad, but your reaction seems a bit over the top IMHO.

How so? I've been around computers since the 80's too. Saw the rise of MS and how they worked back then. It's not much different. They embraced things like Word Perfect, 1-2-3, Novell, etc and then once they had you in the MS system, made switching out very painful. Most of those things I listed were (some are) superior to current solutions to this day.

You look to history for a guide to the future. MS's history isn't so great, and until they release key things or make feature parity (Visio, OneNote, Outlook, Publisher, dev tools) with platforms other than Windows it's all lip service.
 
Binary compatibility with Windows is part of the reason BeOS died.....this isn't binary compatibility but pretty close. Why develop for Windows 10 when you can reuse your iOS project
BeOS never had binary compatibility with Windows. It would run in Windows but that was it. OS/2 2.0 did have limited binary compatibility with Win 3.1 and was billed as a Better Windows than Windows (which it was) but in typical IBM fashion of that era they couldn't market Ice in the tropics.
 
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Why do people keep writing 'Apple App Store' it's just called the App Store. Just because everyone else has opened app stores since the iPhone does this mean Apple has to rename its product?
 
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Nice one. Now do Swift.
The only developer I know using Swift is my project manager, and he's doing it for fun.
Last time I've checked, the majority of those 1.5 mil apps were written in objective C.


It's certainly not as wonderful as Microsoft makes it sound. It allows apps with very limited functionality and doesn't have access to most of the APIs.

And most importantly, it doesn't address the biggest problem. No one is using Windows Phone. Developers aren't developing for the platform because no one uses it. Why spend all the time making your app work right (and this is going to take possibly even more work than building the app much from the ground up on the platform) and keeping it updated if you have such a small user-base and very small potential for revenue from it. It's not worth the time or effort to be on the platform.
What did you miss in "work-in-progress"?
Thing is, no one will ever switch if there is no apps. They have to start at some point, and if a develop can release an app on another platform easily and possibly gain more, they probably will. At least, I would do.


They were this nice in the early 90s too. Embrace, Extend, Extinguish is the motto of Microsoft and it has not changed. A Tiger does not change its spots and while everyone is singing MS's praises they are doing what they did before. They'll work to get "on top" and then slowly become the arrogant POS they have always been.

Better to ignore them and they will go away. We will all benefit from no more Microsoft. And, yes, I've hated them since before I was a Mac user.
What would you gain from "No MS" ? No Office, having to rewrite most of apps in the world, relying on open source stuff that is still a mess to find, or having to buy Mac, which would greatly increase the cost in IT for most companies or create security problems because they don't upgrade computers and systems because they haven't understood how it changed.

Also, I don't see the difference with MS as the king of the world, or Apple.
 
As a non-developer who has a small amount of coding experience, I'm curious -- does this impact performance at all as it is a conversion? Is it "native"?
Nope, this isn't emulation or something like that. It's compiling the same language. They pretty much are tryingto rebuild exactly the same APIs and behaviour of the code so the same code, compiled for MS, would be exactly the same as one compiled on Apple. Obviously it'd use Bing Map instead of Apple Maps, Edge instead of Safari, ...
 
Since when did Google Play surpass Apple in the number of apps it offers? Last I heard, Google had a long way to go to catch up. (It probably still does have a long way to go to rake in the profit that Apple's store does.)

It's had more apps for a while but the quality is debatable. Lots of malware. Lots of 'hello world' apps etc.

I believe they will eventually take more revenue than the App Store, because of the sheer size of their market share.
 
Since when did Google Play surpass Apple in the number of apps it offers? Last I heard, Google had a long way to go to catch up. (It probably still does have a long way to go to rake in the profit that Apple's store does.)

Its been like that for a looooooooooong time. like years.
 
Mac OSX only has like 5% of that market, while Windows 10 is probably 90% since Windows has no competition other than Linux. So it makes so much sense to unify all versions of Windows and make it easy for developers to make Windows Phone apps. This is just another tool to help developers port their apps over and is great news. The less time and money it takes, the more likely developers will make apps and then that brings the customers over.

Windows Phone is definitely a platform to watch, I'm buying a new phone this fall and Windows Phone 10 will make me consider the platform. However the pricing has to be right, Android has the Motorola Style X, for £359 off contract.... that's where I'll be going atm. I've been contract free for a year now and I only pay £18 a month for unlimited data, I'd have to pay £62 x 24 + £100 up front for the iPhone 6....... madness, that's almost £1600 over two years.

Right now I could buy the Motorola Style X and pay month by month for just under £800 over two years, then buy the new one a year later and still be under. Since Apple refuse to put a Micro SD slot on their phones, I have to pay for the 128GB iPhone 6 which is £700 off contract. I can just stick my Micro SD Card in the Motorola Style X and buy the base storage version.

So if Windows Phone can match the Motorola while keeping the tip top specs, I'm definitely game.

I'm just not paying Apple's premium prices any more, you're paying way more and getting less, you cannot even put icons where you want yet, they still auto go to the top left.
 
How so? I've been around computers since the 80's too. Saw the rise of MS and how they worked back then. It's not much different. They embraced things like Word Perfect, 1-2-3, Novell, etc and then once they had you in the MS system, made switching out very painful. Most of those things I listed were (some are) superior to current solutions to this day.

You look to history for a guide to the future. MS's history isn't so great, and until they release key things or make feature parity (Visio, OneNote, Outlook, Publisher, dev tools) with platforms other than Windows it's all lip service.

It's totally different. Microsoft stopped being evil a long time ago as they realised there was a better way.

They do a lot of open source work, most recently announcing they'll be working with OpenSSH to bring SSH to Windows. They're also showing a lot of love for Linux, whether it be support for managing Linux servers through Windows or running them on Azure. Office running on Android, iOS and Mac's.

If anything Microsoft and Apple have swapped roles. Switching from Apple products is far harder than it is from Microsoft, Apple are the ones locking down their platforms and running a closed eco-system and Apple don't develop for and have limited support for other platforms.
 
The Windows app store also extends to all laptops and desktops running the OS...
Yeah, but those desktops and laptops can still run traditionally distributed apps. Why should a developer bother with the Windows Store, especially when so many users are still running pre-8 Windows?
 
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