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Microsoft Launches New Anti-iPad Surface 2 Ad Highlighting Kickstand and Multiple Accounts

Multiple Accounts Guess

If it ever happens, my guess would be that Apple makes it so the fingerprint sensor automatically logs one into the appropriate account and settings.
 
monaarts said:
These commercials remind me of when I bought my car last year... After test driving a bunch of cars I decided I really liked the 2013 Honda Accord so I bought one brand new. Later that day I met a friend and he said "you should have just bought the Kia optima, it's a little cheaper and they say it drives just like a Honda Accord."

My response was "why would I want something that's LIKE an Accord when I could get the Accord? A little money isn't going to make me cut corners."
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I totally agree, its terrible how Apple put such a poor screen in the new Retina iPad Mini.
 
ActionableMango said:
You still have iPads and did not switch to Surfaces, so apparently Apple doesn't really have a big problem at all.
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I don't think angering, frustrating, or disappointing your customers is ever good business. Do you really think Apple is happy being "the lesser of two evils"? I doubt it.
 
NT1440 said:
I find it funny that MS is pushing so hard with this "it doesn't have office!" line when it is well known that they are writing an iOS office suite. I wonder how they will promote it once they release it? :confused:
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iOS and office is irrelevant to us corporate adult users who need office right now. Games and apps are largely irrelevant. Cost of office is also irrelevant - since most corps have access to licenses.

Who cares about the future - work productivity is for today. office on iOS is just not part of the equation. And compatibility of apple apps (pages, etc) is laughable for corporate use.

I love my ipads. I have several. The surface is a totally different type of tablet for me. it is way better at some things and way worse at others. It is just a different device.

And the kickstand is really nice. I use a two button mouse with my mac pro. Apple ideas arent always correct for every user. Kickstand is supernice on a surface. I dont need it for my ipads. Again ,different uses.
 
Renzatic said:
You know it makes me mad when I have to look stuff up, Scruff. Whatever it costs me, it's gonna cost you even more. :mad:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34ag4nkSh7Q

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Blakjack said:
These ads are very specific. Too specific. They sound very desperate. Microsoft needs to understand that it's less about what a device can or cannot do and more about how the device makes the consumer feel. These surface tabs are actually quite nice. They are very productive products, but if the company behind the product is yesterday's news, no one will care, especially when you have a whore OS in Android and the company that represents excellence and coolness in Apple.
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The Surface I saw ran Windows.
 
Blakjack said:
These ads are very specific. Too specific. They sound very desperate. Microsoft needs to understand that it's less about what a device can or cannot do and more about how the device makes the consumer feel. These surface tabs are actually quite nice. They are very productive products, but if the company behind the product is yesterday's news, no one will care, especially when you have a whore OS in Android and the company that represents excellence and coolness in Apple.
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Yesterday's news? Thats not really a well informed statement. Go into any fortune 500 company and see what white collar workers use - it is nearly universally office on a pc.

As far as the surface, surfing with it and doing email are great.
 
balamw said:
I suspect that once the Touch ID sensors become readily available at good yield they'll be in the iPad Air 2, and Apple will implement multiple accounts in a much cleaner way than your typical password screen.

Right now the yield is not enough to have them in iPad and iPhone.

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I agree in part, but after the recent reports of the in screen touch ID, i think we wont see full multi user accounts (as others have said, apple seem to think that a tablet shouldnt be shared, kind of like a cell phone), but we will see a sort of locked down mode for when others are touching the device, vs full access when the owner is using it. I like that idea better than multiple user accounts on an ipad.
 
diazj3 said:
The second ad, the one about multiple user accounts and usage monitoring makes a very big point. The reason why Apple has not implementes this is, I guess, to sell more iPads, since it should be fairly simple to implement. That alone would make me seriously consider a Surface, specially with kids in the house.

Hopefully the competition will keep making better, more open products. That will benefit everyone.
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Here's why you should not consider the surface:
1. The screen on the RT RT2 & Pro2 are not very good screens. Flood the screen with black & you see light bleed. Flood with white & you'll see yellowing in the corners.
2. You'll hate RT, it basically windows OS that won't run windows apps... That means no google chrome, no itunes & it's going to die soon.
4. Windows 8 still uses the desktop UI & it my opinion it still needs a keyboard & mouse which leads you to using the surface keyboard which has a very bad track pad that you'll hate...

If I was going to get a small Windows device I would recommend the Dell Venue Pro 11 @ $499, it has a very nice screen, intel bay trail processor so you can run all the windows x86 apps...
 
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ChrisA said:
I do have to agree. It was cheap or maybe just greedy on Apple's part not to offer expendable storage. A micro SD slot would have been easy to add to the iPad and then a user could pop in a 32GB card if more storage were needed.
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Maybe I'm jsut drinking their cool aid, but i thought it was to do with user experience. They dont want you to be able to put in a slow/cheap card which would make the device less reliable/slower. Also they want to not impact the design with slots and doors (although the sim slot works well).
 
That POS is really thick. Wait, handfree operation? And you have to wave in front of the screen to flip the page? That's stupid.
 
friedmud said:
Nice, thoughtful post Flash. I don't really care that there aren't multiple user accounts, but I had often wondered why... your explanation makes a ton of sense to me...\
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I agree it was a well thought out post.

Also thank you for posting something nice about another user on here. It was refreshing to read a positive comment for a change.
 
sbb155 said:
iOS and office is irrelevant to us corporate adult users who need office right now. Games and apps are largely irrelevant. Cost of office is also irrelevant - since most corps have access to licenses.

Who cares about the future - work productivity is for today. office on iOS is just not part of the equation. And compatibility of apple apps (pages, etc) is laughable for corporate use.

I love my ipads. I have several. The surface is a totally different type of tablet for me. it is way better at some things and way worse at others. It is just a different device.

And the kickstand is really nice. I use a two button mouse with my mac pro. Apple ideas arent always correct for every user. Kickstand is supernice on a surface. I dont need it for my ipads. Again ,different uses.
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What I'm asking is how can MS shout from the hills about no office on the iPad, then a few months later start shouting just as loudly that their amazing software suite is now on the iPad?

Keep in mind that I really hate advertising in general, but the hypocritical aspects are what annoy me the most.
 
These are really great features, and the sort of thing Microsoft needs to be focusing on, but the ads themselves are terrible.

Stop spending your time comparing to the iPad, focus on why your product is great.

nagromme said:
Kickstand: not so good.

Logitech and others have used a variety of mechanisms to make keyboard covers before MS ever did, and I think their bracing solutions were better--and more lap-friendly.
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I disagree. I hate the smart cover and other cases because they just get in the way and flap about when you're not using them. They make the device a lot thicker and less comfortable to hold.

The kickstand is a great solution for that - it's far more sturdy, and is well integrated.
 
just the fax

I don't care for Microsoft's product at all. Their tablets are thick, awkward, and not really even comfortable to hold (yes I have hands on experience with them). I find Windows 8 hideous. However, they're not wrong in some of their criticisms of Apple's iPads.

I have been asking Apple for multi-user accounts in iOS for SEVERAL YEARS now. Crickets... I mean, come on, it's friggin' 2013, multi-user is like, well, duh! Seriously! :mad:

The kickstand feature is rather nice, and it's simple. Again, we see Apple married to form over function. Arrgh.

Sorry, iWork for iOS is pathetic (well, it's very pretty, but mostly useless), and now it's just been ruined on MacOS. Apple has definitely ****ed this one up, and MS has broad, broad leeway to call 'em out on it.

Don't get me wrong here, I'm a big Apple fan, I have MacBooks, iPhones, and iPads, but Apple needs to really step up their game, in the practicality dept.

Microsoft does need to shut up about the keyboard thing already. There have been keyboards available for iPad from nearly day 1, and for prices lower than what MS charges for theirs. Of course since Apple NEVER ADVERTISES that fact, the majority of the population doesn't have any idea.
 
inkswamp said:
How come they don't have an ad emphasizing that Surface runs Windows?

Anyway, have fun Surface users, using up that already half-full storage space with user accounts. :rolleyes:

These ads are actually sort of interesting to me as it shows the difference in approaches. Apple is trying to make an OS tailored to the mobile device, eschewing or completely re-thinking things that are assumed to be a necessary part of the experience (expansion, user accounts, etc) while Android and Windows tablets seem to be trying to shoehorn the entire desktop experience into a tablet.

Honestly, it almost seems like these are two completely different classes of products that just look a lot alike.
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Thats an interesting thought. And its clear to see which experience people prefer.

I read posts frompeople who get frustrated at why all these "sheep" dont see from their point of view, and why they continue to buy these apple products, which in their opinion are inferior for certain reasons. But thinking big picture - people are free to buy what they want, and yet the majority buy the ipad. So those features that the people claim are so important, are clearly not important to the majority of people.

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Renzatic said:
Aren't the car analogies getting a little old by now? They never made much sense before, and they don't make sense now. All they do is scratch that "I like to own nice German luxury cars" itch because some people think it makes them look cooler while they swirl their snifter of grape juice in front of the TV with the fake fireplace DVD on loop.

Let me tell you right now. There's no such thing as a BMW tablet. They're all Hondas. Every single last one. You can convince yourself you're buying a Benz, but you're buying a Honda. Apple tablets are expensive Hondas, MS tablets are midline-expensive, and lower end Android tablets are Civics.
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So you try to convince people not to make car analogies by... making a car analogy?
 
Beta Particle said:
I disagree. I hate the smart cover and other cases because they just get in the way and flap about when you're not using them. They make the device a lot thicker and less comfortable to hold.

The kickstand is a great solution for that - it's far more sturdy, and is well integrated.
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Gotta protect the screen somehow... no?
 
OC40 said:
I agree, though, MS will be on Windows 17.5 by the time we ready to upgrade to Windows 8.
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nah, businesses will skip windows 8 and the stupid metro interface that doesn't belong on a desktop.
 
IJ Reilly said:
I find myself in the strange position of defending Microsoft here. I think it's mega-weird of MR to continually call all of Microsoft's efforts to pitch their tablet products as "anti-iPad." Whether you agree with their arguments or not, Microsoft is simply making what they think are favorable comparisons between Apple's product and theirs. When Apple has done this very thing, as they have so many times, it's characterized as feisty competition, not like here, as completely negative.
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I support calling macrumors people out on their negativity, and I dont want to split hairs, but you are talking about peoples emotional responses, so its worth considering the somewhat different tone of the kind of cheeky and playful PC Guy ads, vs a seemingly endless barrage of kind of lame cricitisms which come off more as complaining. You also have to think about all of the advertisements, like those really embarassing ones after the iphone came out - after seeing that, your initial reaction to even advertisements which raise a valid issue (the multi user one seems important to some) is "oh, here we go again".

Yes Apple ran anti PC / window advertisements. However they managed to do it in a way that didnt seem winey/b*tchy.

Finally - you are on an apple forum.
 
And now we can see a reason why Apple bought the Kinect technology from Primesense.

Air gestures on an iPad anyone?
 
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