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One day I will truly find out why so many hate Windows (it is compatible with so much) without an OS war.

I was 5 years a Windows user, bevor I switched to Mac 3 years ago, the reasons:

  • Bluescreen
  • Virus
  • Registry
  • Defragmentation
  • Dll
  • Spyware
  • System reinstalling
  • Troubleshootings
  • Software installer
  • System updates
  • Adwares


Never again !
 
You've got to give it to MS though. They are sticking with their strategy come win or fail. Apple bashing from Samsung and MS don't seem to be working IMO though. Apple's sales and market cap doesn't seem to be reflect taking a beating from Samsung or MS.
 
Laptop replacement

This years trendy concept, a while back it was Desktop Replacement, ie a very large laptop.
I already have a laptop replacement, an iPad with an Apple Bluetooth keyboard (when needed).
I can do 90% of what I do on a macbook with the iPad, I can and do use a stylus, and it's cheaper than the SP3. I think they are very overpriced.
 
The reason you don't see SP's being used in portrait mode is that the font rendering works best in landscape mode.

That's a problem (or used to be a problem, I'm not sure) in Metro, but isn't an issue on the desktop, where it uses Truetype, and flipping from landscape to portrait is merely a change in aspect ratio.

And the long narrow profile (in portrait) isn't the best layout for many apps or even web pages. How about a picture of you holding it in landscape mode (tablet-style)? What can you do with your thumbs to make interacting with it even partially do-able? And how long can you even hold it this way? I found it tough to even watch videos, without having something to prop it on.

That isn't me, by the way. I just found that picture from googling. :p

The long narrow thing was more a problem with the SP1 & 2. And yeah, a 16:9 aspect ratio does suck severely for portrait. The SP3 uses a much more iPad-like 3:2 ratio, which makes it a better fit for portrait. There, it's only slightly thinner than the iPad in the same orientation. As you can see from the shot, it does a great job rendering webpages.

As for the weight, it's a quarter of a pound heavier than my iPad 3, so I wouldn't imagine it'd be a huge problem. Then again, I rarely ever hold my iPad up freehanded for any extended amount of time. When I'm sitting around, I have my hand underneath it, with the bulk of the weight resting on my wrist and forearm. I'd imagine I'd hold the Surface much the same way.
 
I was 5 years a Windows user, bevor I switched to Mac 3 years ago, the reasons:

  • Bluescreen
  • Virus
  • Registry
  • Defragmentation
  • Dll
  • Spyware
  • System reinstalling
  • Troubleshootings
  • Software installer
  • System updates
  • Adwares


Never again !

Thanks

I've only been able to use Apples mobile devices so far so I'm not able to tell the difference on a personal level yet. (Yeah, the updates and restarting is a little annoying at times. Viruses and malware mostly not an issue. I have one minor little thing that drives me crazy when working within files "This file cannot be moved because it's open in another program" Every single time to a point it really slows down what I am working on. And it's not open anywhere! Something to do with thumbnails.

I have heard a few times that the registry is a weakness.

At some point I am thinking about trying the Air (once it gets an update I like) or I could just go with a pro.

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I can and do use a stylus, and it's cheaper than the SP3. I think they are very overpriced.

Not with proper pressure sensitivity. (An artist would want that, everyone else can likely get away with less)

The long narrow thing was more a problem with the SP1 & 2. And yeah, a 16:9 aspect ratio does suck severely for portrait.

I have a different tablet that is 16:9, really awkward looking in portrait.
 
I have heard a few times that the registry is a weakness.

I think the guy just went down a list of generic Windows complaints people have had over the years, and posted it all here.

Like the registry? I've been using Windows for years, and I've never had a registry issue. I've heard of it happening, but I've never experienced it myself. Normally, it's not something you mess with or even think about unless you want to change some little goofy thing, like making the border padding thinner on windows (I'm so glad they're removing them in Win10).

Same with .dll files. .dll hell used to be a problem back on Windows 95, but...yeah, that was 20 years ago. Now, they're just files. You never have to mess with them whatsoever unless, once again, you're wanting to change some deep level thing in how Windows looks or functions.
 
Couldn't get past the first page of posts with incorrect info and multiple up votes from others that also do not know what they are talking about.

1) It works on your lap. How do I know? I own one and am typing with it on my lap right now. No burning hot legs, stable as hell, not contorting myself into some weird position to make it work...it works.

2) Yes, the keyboard is ordered separately, but that is it....the pen is included. Always has been.

3) MacRumors puts these posts on here because it is an ad comparing Apple. You're mad at this site which has no affiliation with Apple because it is doing a story on an Apple competitor? I never thought this level of fanboy could be reached...even on this site.

Surface Pro 3 has been out for 4 months and has had multiple posts on here with corrections about what it includes and how it works from actual users like me...and still, idiots on here who have never even used the device regurgitate false information.
 
Not only is it too expensive, but have you experienced the screen lag with the surface products? It's not very good for taking notes or drawing, unless you are fine with the ink trailing far behind your stylus.

Tried it once, and you're right: it wasn't that great.
 
I think the guy just went down a list of generic Windows complaints people have had over the years, and posted it all here.

Like the registry? I've been using Windows for years, and I've never had a registry issue. I've heard of it happening, but I've never experienced it myself. Normally, it's not something you mess with or even think about unless you want to change some little goofy thing, like making the border padding thinner on windows (I'm so glad they're removing them in Win10).

Same with .dll files. .dll hell used to be a problem back on Windows 95, but...yeah, that was 20 years ago. Now, they're just files. You never have to mess with them whatsoever unless, once again, you're wanting to change some deep level thing in how Windows looks or functions.

I'm so used to windows nothing is really an issue on a personal level as I can fix it. I mess with the registry at times (I know what I am doing) and have run into a missing dll yet it's not too common. Of course we all have our reasons for why we use what we use. I will end up using both because they can do their own tasks.
 
This years trendy concept, a while back it was Desktop Replacement, ie a very large laptop.
I already have a laptop replacement, an iPad with an Apple Bluetooth keyboard (when needed).
I can do 90% of what I do on a macbook with the iPad, I can and do use a stylus, and it's cheaper than the SP3. I think they are very overpriced.

That's the thing. The ipad is not a laptop replacement for me. I use mine for most of my internet browsing, some app usage, and checking emails. But when I want to do anything remotely productive, then a laptop is still far superior. And with something like the SP3 allowing you to run full versions of desktop software, then it's really cool to think of how I might be able to incorporate that into my workflow. I'm tethered to a desk far too many hours a week, so it would be nice to get away a bit and still be productive.

As for the stylus, the ipad is still widely inferior without a digitizer. The stylus offerings have gotten better, but they're still lackluster due to that limitation.

And overpriced according to what? If you look at the hardware they crammed in that form factor, then you'll find you're getting pretty good value for your money. What it costs compared to your needs is all relative. But a blanket statement of it being overpriced is the same as those who always bitch about something like the Mac Pro being overpriced.
 
I only use the iPad for light surfing. To get work done I use the Surface Pro 3. Macbook Air is a bad comparison since it has terrible resolution. Apple needs an updated Macbook Air 2 hybrid with retina resolution, touch screen, precision pen and detachable keyboard.

As far as lapability SP3 is superior with kickstand since I can have my legs stretched out in a downward incline and it won't tip over like Macbooks. There's also the health benefit that the heat exhaust is directed from top and not from bottom towards your private area.

Thanks for that post and advertisement for Microsoft. It seems to match the rest of your post history against Apple's products....coupled with you being newly registered here I see what's going on. :p
 
I'm so used to windows nothing is really an issue on a personal level as I can fix it. I mess with the registry at times (I know what I am doing) and have run into a missing dll yet it's not too common. Of course we all have our reasons for why we use what we use. I will end up using both because they can do their own tasks.

Same here. I've used all of the big three, and while each one has its ups and downs, I wouldn't say any one of them is truly better than the others.

Like OSX has a better UI, and a helluva lot better out of the box experience. Windows is kinda meat and potatoes there. For general usage, it's a little more elegant and fun to use, but when it comes to getting something done, I could go with either/or. I'd use the same apps on both, and I've never had much trouble with Windows flaking out at random since early XP, so it's all just patio furnishing to me.
 
3) MacRumors puts these posts on here because it is an ad comparing Apple. You're mad at this site which has no affiliation with Apple because it is doing a story on an Apple competitor? I never thought this level of fanboy could be reached...even on this site.

Surface Pro 3 has been out for 4 months and has had multiple posts on here with corrections about what it includes and how it works from actual users like me...and still, idiots on here who have never even used the device regurgitate false information.

You'll get a much higher level of fanboyism on a Windows-lovers site if an ad was pushed in their face in favor of Apple against a Windows competitor. And you're doing a nice share yourself of Surface Pro 3 promotion so I would recommend being careful what you write...your post borderlines irony.
 
those competitors can't do one thing , the thing Microsoft makes almost all their money off of , enterprise.

linux , osx , chrome os, all have non existent enterprise offerings.

Microsofts declining os sales are very unlikely to effect them much , especially when governments and businesses haves hundreds of millions invested in their infrastructure.

i hope you didn't take my original comment as an insult , i did not mean it like that.

Ha, no I did not take it as an insult. It just hit me because I sat on Mcsft stock for many years without much movement. Then sold, and now it is up a good 50% just two or so years later. Oh well.

I think the competitors are coming for Enterprise. When the employees are using Macs at home and iOS devices at work and at home, the Windows PC is going to be a harder sell.
 
Same here. I've used all of the big three, and while each one has its ups and downs, I wouldn't say any one of them is truly better than the others.

Like OSX has a better UI, and a helluva lot better out of the box experience. Windows is kinda meat and potatoes there. For general usage, it's a little more elegant and fun to use, but when it comes to getting something done, I could go with either/or. I'd use the same apps on both, and I've never had much trouble with Windows flaking out at random since early XP, so it's all just patio furnishing to me.

Yep, everyone has its good and bad. I've done Linux a few times and my needs would have to drop to simplistic levels to be able to use it. There are just too many things it cannot do. Ubuntu got a little odd so I tired Mint, quite nice, there are a few things I even like about it over windows. However it had issues with the touch screen.
 
Yep, everyone has its good and bad. I've done Linux a few times and my needs would have to drop to simplistic levels to be able to use it. There are just too many things it cannot do. Ubuntu got a little odd so I tired Mint, quite nice, there are a few things I even like about it over windows. However it had issues with the touch screen.

If you want to use a touchscreen with Linux, use Gnome 3. It's the only UI I've seen that manages to strike that perfect balance between touch and desktop. Plus (looks around suspiciously), OSX has seemingly taken more than a few design cues from it recently.

My biggest problem with Linux is a pretty straightforward one: it simply doesn't have all the stuff I want to use. I use PS quite a bit, and I tried to give it up, and go with GIMP, but...naw. All that did was make me mad and frustrated.
 
If you want to use a touchscreen with Linux, use Gnome 3. It's the only UI I've seen that manages to strike that perfect balance between touch and desktop. Plus (looks around suspiciously), OSX has seemingly taken more than a few design cues from it recently.

My biggest problem with Linux is a pretty straightforward one: it simply doesn't have all the stuff I want to use. I use PS quite a bit, and I tried to give it up, and go with GIMP, but...naw. All that did was make me mad and frustrated.

Thanks, I like to try things and that's good to known.

In the end Linux can leave one frustrated. A bit too limited for my personal use. Though it does have many useful features.
 
What does it run of OS? Does it have an iOS equivalent or it does it run windows (with viruses / bloatware).

I have not looked at windows for a long time, even my work laptops have switched to a custom version of Linux (not half decent as RedHat but stable and generally work). I would like iOS like Windows OS so I can run some of my windows programs Chessbase (I used to be a Chess player and hung on to Windows for a long time just for Chessbase).
 
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