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Microsoft Looks to a Future of H.264-Based HTML5 for Web Video Content

FieryFurnace said:
I honestly don't understand most of the comments here and the whole attitude and all.

That article is about video content and HTML5 and not about Flash disappearing.
Flash is not only used for video content, it might be its major use right now, but that is not was Flash is really about.

It was always clear the HTML5 will come and with that the video capabilities - same for CSS3 with its new stuff. That still will not make Flash obsolete.
Flash will still be used for heavy interactive website (e.g. Hollywood-Movie sites or VideoGame sits) and it will also be used for online games - just look at all those Facebook games.

Maybe in a couple of years, when there will be some other technology that can do all that mentioned above, Flash will go under - but that will take some time.

p.s. Yes, I do like Flash and use it for some of my web stuff.
But especially recently, with all the Anti-Flash attitude from Apple and its fanboys, I like it even more. I just can't stand companies that try to use their power and try to force the consumer into thinking their way.

p.p.s. I am still using Apple products and enjoy doing so, just to clear that up! :)
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don't waste your energy explaining facts. the steve-jobs-fundies on here are like love-struck teenagers who don't understand the language of reason.
 
Microsoft wants the same thing Apple does, they want Flash out of the way, since it's the dominate way to deliver video on the web. If it had remained more limited like JavaScript and hadn't become such a force in video play back, neither would really care -- and Apple would probably still offer Quicktime with Flash integration.

And NO, Apple and MS are not seeing eye to eye, they both have their agendas. If they were, than Microsoft wouldn't have partnered with HTC, which is a direct result of Apple's lawsuit. Microsoft isn't doing this because they're good, but because they now get royalties for every Android phone sold by HTC.
 
Kill the Vampire

Let's see...
Apple killed Flash.
Microsoft has driven a stake through Flash's heart.
Now we are just awaiting Google to chop of the head.
The Vampire shall not rise again.
Burn it and scatter the ashes on the waters.
 
GFLPraxis said:
Seems like Microsoft is agreeing with Steve Jobs, but phrasing it so as to be more polite towards Adobe.

So, the two major desktop OS developers (Microsoft and Apple) are both pushing to move the internet away from Flash.
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Google is also moving away from Flash. Google owns YouTube. YouTube is moving to HTML5 and away from Flash.

Prepare the obituary.
 
pubwvj said:
Google is also moving away from Flash. Google owns YouTube. YouTube is moving to HTML5 and away from Flash.

Prepare the obituary.
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NO. Google integrated Flash into its latest browser. Google fully supports Flash on its mobile devices, as it supports CHOICE. Google bought out On2 -- the former video format used by Flash -- and has made their format open, so who knows where that leads, because neither Apple nor Microsoft have anything to gain from it unlike H.264.
 
pubwvj said:
Google is also moving away from Flash. Google owns YouTube. YouTube is moving to HTML5 and away from Flash.

Prepare the obituary.
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Flash is a lot more than Flash Video. Do you understand this?

Maybe you should stick to farming and butchering.
 
I am beginning not to care about the Flash vs whatever anymore as it takes too much effort and makes my hope meter feel like its on a trampoline.

As a college student, my life revolves around Flash based online homework programs. I know that Apple will not provide me with an iDevice that will fit my niche and Pearson (the educational publishing company) is not yet interested in porting its programs into formates that will also work on iDevices. I wish Pearson would, however.
 
Whoever says H.264 is an open standard clearly doesn't know what they are talking about. The H.264 codec is CLOSED-SOURCE and requires licensing fees. Ogg Video, which is supported by Firefox and Chrome, is fully open-source and free of fees.

Putting "open standards" and H.264 together in the same sentence just doesn't make sense.

That being said, H.264 is an excellent codec and I do think that browsers should be capable of playing it, but Internet Explorer is NOT adding support for the Ogg Video codec which I don't agree with.
 
Eidorian said:
They're pushing Silverlight heavily in their Home Server products. You can stream your media over the internet but you'd be limited to Windows or OS X for decent Silverlight support. I don't know much about the Linux variant(s).

The Internet Explorer 9 preview had some colorful features and "better" standards support but it's not going to replace Chrome or FireFox for me.

h.264 playback via dedicated low power hardware is a big must for me.
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Lets just say Moonlight performs better than Flash. Mono porting and all.

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Lets hope at the same time they make CSS/XHTML up to scratch.
 
Wow. Just wow. But there's just one fly in the HTML5 ointment: AFAIK, no one has yet released an intuitive drag-and-drop style development program for HTML5. Flash, the pain in the butt that it is, at least has a method to its madness and is a useful tool for assembling and exporting content. I don't know of any HTML5 creation software that allows for Flash's degree of animation and interactivity. I'm not keen on having to hand-code everything.

Perhaps this is where Adobe could salvage itself, morphing Flash (or Dreamweaver) into a powerful HTML5 creation kit.
 
FieryFurnace said:
They don't even consider all the other possibilities Flash offers.
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I can only think of flash games (or other apps) really, which I admittedly still play. I'd love to hear of an alternative to them, so that online games would work with less slowdown, CPU usage, heat and reduction in battery life.

HTML5 is superior to flash for video in every way, so that can be binned.

Flash has no place on website interfaces either. You can do just as pretty effects with HTML5 without the loss in compatibility and other disadvantages. Not to mention you cant tab browse or bookmark any 'pages' on flash sites or leave them open in the background without sucking CPU. Good web design and business sense would dictate to not make a website in flash.
 
Depends on how you interpret this line

*Deleted original post - some people are just to ignorant, want to start another argument, and just don't want to hear how Adobe is expensive, hard to support, and how so many versions confuse many people on what to buy. plus so many different file formats. PLus how their prices keep going up and their product becomes more crappier.

Posting anything on a thread with adobe on it, is like stepping into the abyss. Everyone has an opinion and they are always right, no matter how wrong they are proven.

I will not make another post on Adobe again. All I know is since they bought Macromedia and the more they stay around, the more expensive and peice of junk their software is and every release is worse.
 
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