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what do you want to bet that you have to have MSN or something similar to see this service? If anything I'd bet it's a ploy to sell more MSN subscriptions
 
Hearing about Microsoft makes me wanna reach for the TUMS...

Originally posted by Trekkie
what do you want to bet that you have to have MSN or something similar to see this service? If anything I'd bet it's a ploy to sell more MSN subscriptions

I would rather say it's a ploy to kill chances of ITMS giving Apple's technology / computer getting more market share.

If Apple does gain substanstial marketshare Billy & Co will be in a bit of trouble (Windows' unsightly blemishes will be much more apparent when placed beside OS X, and with people hearing about palladium many are ready to bail; just gotta hope it's not into the arms of Linux.
 
Originally posted by mrsebastian
typical m$. apple does it first, does it right and then m$ re-creates a cheap version to sell to the masses.

As much as I love Apple and dislike M$, one could easily argue:

Typical Apple, invent something great, focus on high margins and let someone else come in and steal your market.
 
Originally posted by stoid
I hope very much that Microsoft mis-judges the market just like they did with the XBox and their inferior product still doesn't attract the consumer.

I don't think that the Xbox could be considered an inferior product by any stretch of the imagination. It is technically the best console by far. I'd even go so far as to say that the sales have to be considered a success given the reality of the market. In many ways, Xbox sales have really been earned. There was no reason for people to buy Xbox other than it's own merits. MS didn't have the leverage they have in the PC space for a consumer device. And they have failed on many consumer devices (Ultimate TV, WebTV, etc.)

I think there is room for more than one online music store. It seems to me that your choice of playback device (portable or other) really dictates where you will go to buy your music anyway. It's not like we do all our shopping at one store for anything else.

Also, what about Amazon? They are the "Walmart" of the web. Seems like they could kick everyone's butt if they decided to go with an online music store. If I was Steve Jobs, I'd be doing whatever it took to get in bed with those guys. There is massive synergy available via the Amazon portal.
 
Originally posted by stoid
I thought that Jobs made it abundantly clear that they would be lucky if the iTMS broke even.

Not what I call a high margin. ;)

I'm talking hardware, the iPod.
 
Originally posted by Kid Red
Let's clear some issues up for those who seem confused-

1) Music downloads don't make a lot of profit

2)ITMS is solely for the purpose of selling more iPods, so it's more a feature then cash crop

3)MS won't make any (much) money off this no matter how good (haha) it is

4)There is no music service competition for Apple because ITMS is to sell iPods not compete for people's downloading-mp3-cash.

So who cares if there is 30 music download services, as long as Apple sells the iPod, promotes the iPod and updates iTunes, Apple will be OK.

The iPod is the key and no other company has anything close.

And if the MS store is that successful, why can't Apple adapt the iPod to work with it anyway? It wouldn't be the first time Apple had to suck it up and just embrace/extend. You'd lose some of your exclusive reasons to buy one but by that point, wouldn't the iPod be strong enough to sell itself (especially if it works with any music store out there)?

The real rub would be getting MS music store support on the Mac.
 
Don't take this personally, but

Originally posted by rdowns
I'm talking hardware, the iPod.

we're talking about software, there is no mention that Microsoft is even thinking about developing and mp3 player. Comparing a new MS music service to the iPod isn't really a fair comparison. If MS does release a "iPod killer" I think that it will be nearly as unsuccessful as the others. *crosses fingers*
 
Originally posted by andrewc
I don't think that the Xbox could be considered an inferior product by any stretch of the imagination. It is technically the best console by far.

Ya well its the first console I've ever seen blue screen on me. I **** you not on this. I was at a party and someone yelled in the back room that the X-Box just BSODed on him. We all ran back there and sure enough. I wasn't fast enough with my digi cam though. The thing rebooted after 15 seconds.

Sorry but MS makes **** on their first, second, and usually even third attempt at anything. I point you to the Pocket PC as a good example. MS is the only company I know of that can f up countless times *shrug* and try again until they win.
 
I won't argue that the Xbox hasn't had its share of reliablity/build issues (mine had to get a new DVD drive after a year). But I've seen Dreamcast and PS "blue screen" (well, their version of it) as well as had my Tivo basically "blue screen" as well. It's not perfect but my point was that it's not really an inferior product relative to its competition.
 
Xbox blues

got to say that the xbox even though ive only had mine for a short while seems a lot better built than the PS2 THE GAME CUBE IS FANTASTIC but the xbox is bulit ok the sheer problem with the dam thing is its size its way way wau to big its deffently a pc no dobut about it and the pad desgin dont get me started there ive had nintendos ive had amigas ive had ataris ive had it all and never had a pad like the xbox awful


but blue screens nope not seen one yet then again hardly play on it
 
Re: Xbox blues

Originally posted by Sabenth
got to say that the xbox even though ive only had mine for a short while seems a lot better built than the PS2 THE GAME CUBE IS FANTASTIC but the xbox is bulit ok the sheer problem with the dam thing is its size its way way wau to big its deffently a pc no dobut about it and the pad desgin dont get me started there ive had nintendos ive had amigas ive had ataris ive had it all and never had a pad like the xbox awful


but blue screens nope not seen one yet then again hardly play on it

You seem to have forgot to type a few of these, not to worry, i'll make up for it: ;)
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IIRC the first banch of Xboxes had some manufacturing defects that caused blue screens as well as other issues. After that first wave of bad product though I haven't heard any major complaints about the Xbox stability. And, something I never thought I'd see happen, the Xbox actually gaining ground in anti-Windows computer geek circles. After the first year or so people started to take the Xbox seriously. Good games (more than just Halo), Xbox Live, holy crap this thing might not suck so much after all.

I would consider the Xbox a failure by any stretch and in fact I think it was a surprisingly solid first attempt into a very tough market.


Lethal
 
Got to admit because of this thread i went to blockbuster and got some xbox games and re tried to play with it. Oddworld has got me but i still dont like the Pad. Also it dose need to play dvds out of the box like the ps2. other than that it saved me buying a memory card and a network adapta **hint hint sony**
 
And this would bother M$ how, exactly? Esp. with the Bu$h admin., whose leader "prefers innovation [COUGH] BULL****! [/COUGH] to litigation?

They'd just give M$ another free pass, the bastards. :mad:

Originally posted by savar
Maybe I'm naive, but selling products at a loss in order to beat out the competition is *Very* illegal.
 
Originally posted by Sabenth
didnt apple just do that whith music match software
Installing iTunes for Windows does NOT disable, delete or cause MusicMatch to malfunction. MusicMatch is completely functional, as it was before iTunes was installed, with the exception that iTunes assumes the responsibility for iPod syncing.
 
DON'T BE FOOLED....!!

Originally posted by LethalWolfe
IIRC the first banch of Xboxes had some manufacturing defects that caused blue screens as well as other issues. After that first wave of bad product though I haven't heard any major complaints about the Xbox stability. And, something I never thought I'd see happen, the Xbox actually gaining ground in anti-Windows computer geek circles. After the first year or so people started to take the Xbox seriously. Good games (more than just Halo), Xbox Live, holy crap this thing might not suck so much after all.

I would consider the Xbox a failure by any stretch and in fact I think it was a surprisingly solid first attempt into a very tough market.


Lethal

They got where they are in the gaming arena due to their monopoly status;

Windows allows them to have a bad starting product, loose billions, and eventually through having money to burn overtake the competition. If they weren't Microsoft (the monopoly) THEY'D NEVER BE ABLE TO GET EXCLUSIVE ACCESS TO HALO & ODDWORLD.

You have to consider that Microsoft used it's gaming monopoly on the pc platform to give themselves an unfair advantage OVER ALL COMPETITION.

If you think I'm wrong..... let Apple try it!
 
Thats all it boils down too money and lots of it crap loads of money but to make money you need an iPod lol..


The store wont make zip and who are we to argue with zip hell if ms want to fire away billions let em 1 less billion they have right..
 
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