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Schwieb
MacBU Dev Lead
(and I'm 36...)
I'm cautiously optimistic about Office 2011 after reading some of the comments from beta testers in this thread, especially with regards to the overall improved performance. I was about to scream at one point yesterday after I waited about 20 seconds for PowerPoint 2008 to start up! ;)

I don't envy the MacBU team; I get the impression that they are sometimes treated like second-class citizens at Microsoft. And to be fair, other than the performance issues, I haven't had too many issues with Office 2008. It seems to maintain document formatting correctly as I trade docs back and forth with Windows Office users. Now, I never was able to get syncing of Entourage contacts and calendars with Apple's AddressBook and iCal to work consistently, but I basically wrote that off a long time ago...
 
beta 5 of 2011 is actually working quite nicely. no one should knock it if they haven't tried it. you might be surprised.
 
I may have missed this, so if it's a repeat, sorry. I skimmed, but didn't read every post.

For Outlook and Exchange - does it at least offer server-side rules??? I mean...that feature in Windows Outlook has been around for only 10 years or so. :rolleyes:

No. It's essentially Entourage with a new skin.

The amazing thing to me is that the web version for Exchange 2010 Server is far and away more impressive than this horrific implementation of Outlook.

It's not Outlook, MS skinned it to look like Outlook, but it operates more like Entourage than Outlook on a PC.

No server side rules.
No side by side calendar view.
Uses the Entourage caching that has to be emptied when items are out of sync.
Uses the Entourage categories rather than those in Outlook.
Have to import entire .pst files to view 1 message, cannot simply open them.
No archiving to .pst file format.


While I applaud the baby steps in features that it does have over Entourage for Web Services, calling it Outlook is disingenuous.
 
Again all I can say is being an official Beta tester I am pleased with the product. I told Microsoft everything I hated about 2008 and everything I didn't want to see. I told this specifically to Ryan and you know a lot of those changes happened in the following Betas. The Microsoft Mac BU team seems to really have some good direction on this product. For those of you saying its too expensive etc etc etc. you are the same group who torrent Photoshop for being too expensive. I don't hear you complaining about buying a 2000 dollar Mac that has the same components of a 600 dollar HP or Dell. Stop playing the Age, Race, Expense card already its a tired and ignorant argument.
 
How Nice that there is a company that actually cares about Mac Users

How refreshing that there still is a company out there that actually cares about Mac software and Mac computer users, taking the time to get it right and all beta-tested before releasing it on the world. I mean, now that Apple is too busy chasing its tail with the Willie Wonka iToy iOS to keep its pro apps up to date.

Makes you almost think that Apple is filled with ten year-olds and of course, the CEO being the biggest ten-year old of all.

Microsoft? Could you please buy Logic and FCS and Shake from Apple?

:apple:
 

Microsoft developers talking about some of the new features included in the release has also been posted.Microsoft has issued several beta versions of Office for Mac 2011 so far this year.

Never, ever trust anyone with anything they tell you without looking you straight in the eye.
 
Outlook 2011 is excellent and has replaced Mail. I used to use Entourage, then moved back to mail, and now I'm using Outlook 2011.

There are things missing such as full iCal sync and iDevice sync with Outlook, there are work arounds though, however I'm assured that full iDevice syncing will make the final release.

How is it working with Exchange Server? Wouldn't that offer full sync in a different way, through ActiveSync?
 
Why bother with a local mail client.

Soon as you leave your house, your screwed. Online mail is the way to go. Keep everything exactly the same, no matter where you go. Need to buy a new Mac or reformat your computer? No problem. My Gmail stays the same. haha.
 
Why bother with a local mail client.

Soon as you leave your house, your screwed. Online mail is the way to go. Keep everything exactly the same, no matter where you go. Need to buy a new Mac or reformat your computer? No problem. My Gmail stays the same. haha.

Methinks you don't understand how a local mail client works. I access my Gmail through Mail.app on my MacBook via IMAP. I read my messages comfortably there, I have offline access if I travel with my laptop, but I also have full access via Gmail.com if I'm away from my computer. Mail.app is a much more comfortable environment, and I don't have to wait for a new page to load every time I try to view a new email, so it's far quicker. It's kept in sync with my iPod touch as well, in addition to the web interface.

It's the best of both.

jW
 
I like some of hte users here who refuse to ever give MS credit ever haha.

Anyway someone complained about the ribbon taking up space....I don't hve Office Mac but PC Office 2011 beta you can minimize the ribbon with one click.

Big fan of Windows Office 2011, hopefully the Mac version has the same stuff behind it.
 
Oh and i did one of the windows 7 launch parties just for my free version of Windows 7 Ultimate.

Why wouldn't you apply?


And my gf likes making cakes and so she used the windows 7 party as an excuse to make:
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go to houseparty.com they need host for all types of parties. And you get free crap for doing it.
 
Methinks you don't understand how a local mail client works. I access my Gmail through Mail.app on my MacBook via IMAP. I read my messages comfortably there, I have offline access if I travel with my laptop, but I also have full access via Gmail.com if I'm away from my computer. Mail.app is a much more comfortable environment, and I don't have to wait for a new page to load every time I try to view a new email, so it's far quicker. It's kept in sync with my iPod touch as well, in addition to the web interface.

It's the best of both.

jW

Yeah. I access Gmail, Yahoo, and my company's Exchange/Outlook the same way, all synced. That is, my company mail is through Outlook on my Dell, my Gmail is through Apple Mail at home, and all 3 are on the iPod and web if necessary.
 
Word has come along way and it is amazing how going back to Word 2008 from 2011 how much you miss the new features such as Ribbon and the fancy new photo filters/effects.

One of my issues with Word in regard to photos has been its inability to handle images elegantly. With Pages you can move images around the page and the text will resituate accordingly, they don't 'lock' or refuse to stay at certain locations on the page like they have done in every single version of Word i've used.

My other issue with Word is that it becomes very unstable with large documents, especially documents with images. After about 75 pages or so Word just isn't very good.

Can you say anything about these issues? There are certain things I like a lot about Word, but I tend to use it as a secondary word processor. I basically make use of the features I like then move back Pages or Mellel.
 
One of my issues with Word in regard to photos has been its inability to handle images elegantly. With Pages you can move images around the page and the text will resituate accordingly, they don't 'lock' or refuse to stay at certain locations on the page like they have done in every single version of Word i've used.

My other issue with Word is that it becomes very unstable with large documents, especially documents with images. After about 75 pages or so Word just isn't very good.

Can you say anything about these issues? There are certain things I like a lot about Word, but I tend to use it as a secondary word processor. I basically make use of the features I like then move back Pages or Mellel.

I agree with you, it is why I went to pages from Word on the mac. Thankfully Word 2011 goes a long way to addressing it. If you switch to 'publish' layout then images drag and wrap text in a very similar manner to pages, so text auto wraps etc. It also now has some nice picture frames too akin to pages, but added to that some nice auto colour features to enhance your graphics also. :)

How is it working with Exchange Server? Wouldn't that offer full sync in a different way, through ActiveSync?

Very possible, I will experiment and get back to you :)
 
Oh and i did one of the windows 7 launch parties just for my free version of Windows 7 Ultimate.

Why wouldn't you apply?


And my gf likes making cakes and so she used the windows 7 party as an excuse to make:
14536_537666669842_32100570_32240533_5202646_n.jpg


go to houseparty.com they need host for all types of parties. And you get free crap for doing it.
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I agree with you, it is why I went to pages from Word on the mac. Thankfully Word 2011 goes a long way to addressing it. If you switch to 'publish' layout then images drag and wrap text in a very similar manner to pages, so text auto wraps etc. It also now has some nice picture frames too akin to pages, but added to that some nice auto colour features to enhance your graphics also. :)

Have you tried working with long documents? The kind of issues I often encountered with Word are described in the comments here: http://ask.metafilter.com/96292/Mac-word-processor-for-academic-writing-in-the-humanities

I'm asking these questions because at the moment I don't trust MS to deliver a quality product. Word is fine for short essays, letters, notes, that sort of thing but if you work with large documents it can be a liability as I and many of my colleagues have discovered. However, it is VERY useful to be able to work with Word since it is the de facto standard across platforms.
 
Have you tried working with long documents? The kind of issues I often encountered with Word are described in the comments here: http://ask.metafilter.com/96292/Mac-word-processor-for-academic-writing-in-the-humanities

I'm asking these questions because at the moment I don't trust MS to deliver a quality product. Word is fine for short essays, letters, notes, that sort of thing but if you work with large documents it can be a liability as I and many of my colleagues have discovered. However, it is VERY useful to be able to work with Word since it is the de facto standard across platforms.

Word can't handle 50 MB documents.
 
I like some of hte users here who refuse to ever give MS credit ever haha.

Anyway someone complained about the ribbon taking up space....I don't hve Office Mac but PC Office 2011 beta you can minimize the ribbon with one click.

Big fan of Windows Office 2011, hopefully the Mac version has the same stuff behind it.

I like office 2010. :) Hopefully 2011 is on par with it. :)
 
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