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Can some one explain to me whats the difference between Office 365 and Office in OneDrive?

I know 365 probably has the advanced features, but for like 90% of the people out there whats on OneDrive is more than enough and its free! It works just like a desktop app. Its not sluggish or anything, not sure how it runs, but just a couple of years ago it was like a dream to have in-browser apps work as good as this.


am I missing something? People used to buy Office just to write simple documents.

For working with simple documents, there are lots of alternatives available. Google Docs, iWork, they all work well with simple documents. You will probably never have a problem with it.

The thing is, what are the 10% who want/need to work with complex documents are supposed to do?

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I currently use Parallels as we use a piece of software proprietary to my industry and only available on Windows. As a result, I also use Office 2013 (Which I prefer over 2011 or iWorks).

That being said...Parallels has quite an impact on battery life and overall performance. I would much prefer to limit my use of Parallels to the 1 application, and only when I need it. I hope the day when a new Office for Mac comes is soon.

I have a similar experience. I use Parallels 10 with Windows 8.1 and the main piece of software I use in this is Office 2013. However, even on my 15-inch retina MacBook Pro (early 2013 model), the impact is significant. Too much memory consumed, and lots of battery life.

Am I supposed to have 16 GB RAM in order to run Microsoft Office? Or should I just buy a cheap US$ 400 Windows laptop to have a decent office suite?
 
For working with simple documents, there are lots of alternatives available. Google Docs, iWork, they all work well with simple documents. You will probably never have a problem with it.

The thing is, what are the 10% who want/need to work with complex documents are supposed to do?

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I have a similar experience. I use Parallels 10 with Windows 8.1 and the main piece of software I use in this is Office 2013. However, even on my 15-inch retina MacBook Pro (early 2013 model), the impact is significant. Too much memory consumed, and lots of battery life.

Am I supposed to have 16 GB RAM in order to run Microsoft Office? Or should I just buy a cheap US$ 400 Windows laptop to have a decent office suite?

I think you should buy a windows laptop and use that. Will save you loads of time from posting on Macrumors about a product made by Microsoft.
 
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I think you should buy a windows laptop and use that. Will save you loads of time from posting on Macrumors about a product made by Microsoft.

Well, that is not so simple.

I bought my 15-inch MacBook Pro in June 2013 and it is definitely the best laptop I have ever had.

It is great in nearly every sense. It has a great screen (I like the 16:10 format, not to mention the high resolution); a great keyboard and trackpad; it is ergonomic and the design is well-thought. Very good and comfortable to use.

Windows laptops are not always as great – no, I would say that it is rare to find a Windows laptop which is as good.

My situation is a little worse – I live in Brazil and there is a complete lack of good laptops around here. There are MacBooks – all the models are available for sale here, although they are incredibly expensive. However, Windows laptops are crap, very crap. All plastic stuff, with slow and noisy HDDs, bad TN 1366x768 screens, heavy and cranky. Bad, really bad stuff.

Sometimes a company releases a good laptop. Sony has all its models – or I should stay it still have them, as they are going to be discontinued soon in Brazil as they were in the US. Dell has a very incomplete set of laptops for sale, and nearly all of them are low-end. Lenovo has some seriously overpriced stuff: a Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon costs almost the same as a 15-inch retina MacBook Pro here. The rest is basically absolute crap.

So, it's hard to get a laptop – I mean, a quality laptop – here in Brazil. Even if you want to run Windows, a MacBook ends up being one of your best choices. Even though trackpad support on BootCamp is crap – Apple, please make it better on Yosemite! Please! It should not be that hard!

Said that, I like the Mac platform. The trackpad runs smoother than under Windows. The window management system – Expose and Mission Control – are really good and I prefer them over anything Windows offers. The interface of Windows 8 is really awkward and, although I can live with that, I recognize that Microsoft made some bad choices there.

My main concern is about Microsoft Office. Office for Mac is so crap and it never gets updated. And Apple is not interested in providing an alternative. Apple is interested in making an iWatch and hiring people from the fashion world, while iWork gathers dust. That annoys me.

One other thing (and perhaps some developer could help me with that): Windows software sometimes seem more sophisticated than OS X software? Is it because Windows software usually has a bigger budget given that it also has more users? Or does it have to do with the programming language (I have been reading that Objective-C is somewhat hard to program, and that C# is much easier, which would make Windows software easier to make, which is an advantage; that would be one of the reasons why Apple released Swift)? Or is it just a product of my imagination?
 
I'm still waiting on a full version of onenote for mac. If that was released, I would buy it on the release date. The free version on the app store can't open local files and is missing an enormous number of features.
 
My main concern is about Microsoft Office. Office for Mac is so crap and it never gets updated. And Apple is not interested in providing an alternative. Apple is interested in making an iWatch and hiring people from the fashion world, while iWork gathers dust. That annoys me.
Don't get annoyed, as previously mentioned apple's focus is not on the business user. They're an electronics company, not a computer computer. They dropped the word computer from their name years ago for a reason.

If you're unwilling to buy a non-mac laptop and I can understand why, then consider bootcamp or VMware Fusion (to run windows virtualized). Depending on how I'll be working for the day, will dictate whether I boot directly into windows or use Vmware.

As for what to expect out of a new version of Office - do not expect feature parity with the window's version or similar performance. MS has never produced an office product that runs faster or has more features then its windows version. Windows and windows apps are Microsoft's bread and butter and they'll never produce a product that impact or endanger that product line.
 
For working with simple documents, there are lots of alternatives available. Google Docs, iWork, they all work well with simple documents. You will probably never have a problem with it.

Yes, but usually you are worried about compatibility with Office because once you are done with it and sent it to some one else, the formatting usually gets mixed up.


For people who suggest to buy a cheap laptop instead of running parallels, its not about the money, its about connivence . Its very very annoying to use two laptops, unless you use one specifically on you work desk and the other for personal use and you carry it around.
 
Don't get annoyed, as previously mentioned apple's focus is not on the business user. They're an electronics company, not a computer computer. They dropped the word computer from their name years ago for a reason.

Yes, I know that.

I can understand that the Mac platform will not have lots of business-related software that are available for Windows.

However, an office suite is something very basic. Nearly every business use one. And lots of domestic users use it too, even if it is to keep compatibility with the computer they use at work. So, even though an office suite is business-related software, it is so basic these days that it is hard to conceive that Apple wants to keep a viable computer platform, and even gain market share, without providing at least a reasonable alternative.

If you're unwilling to buy a non-mac laptop and I can understand why, then consider bootcamp or VMware Fusion (to run windows virtualized). Depending on how I'll be working for the day, will dictate whether I boot directly into windows or use Vmware.

Yes, I am unwilling to buy a PC laptop. Nearly all PC laptops for sale here are totally crap and I am not going to use a crap piece of hardware. I can use my Mac with BootCamp or Parallels, and I wish Apple would at least provide reasonable trackpad drivers for Windows. But the trackpad experience under Windows is not good, and it's Apple's fault – even mid-range ultrabooks have trackpads that run better on Windows.

As for what to expect out of a new version of Office - do not expect feature parity with the window's version or similar performance. MS has never produced an office product that runs faster or has more features then its windows version. Windows and windows apps are Microsoft's bread and butter and they'll never produce a product that impact or endanger that product line.

I do not expect feature parity, as I know it will not happen. I will not see Access for Mac. Nor Publisher. And I do not expect Word, Excel and PowerPoint to be exactly the same under Windows and OS X.

However, Office 2011 for Mac is crap. It is bloated. It is buggy. It crashes. The interface is bad. Lots of features are missing.

The fact that Microsoft is not willing to give Mac users all the features do not excuse the fact that Office for Mac is so crap.

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Yes, but usually you are worried about compatibility with Office because once you are done with it and sent it to some one else, the formatting usually gets mixed up.

Yes, that is a concern. However, if you work with simple documents, you usually do not have a lot of trouble with formatting.

For people who suggest to buy a cheap laptop instead of running parallels, its not about the money, its about connivence . Its very very annoying to use two laptops, unless you use one specifically on you work desk and the other for personal use and you carry it around.

It is not convenient to have two laptops. I do not want a cheap plastic laptop for doing work. I want a premium laptop, with a great screen and a great keyboard, and which is fast, for doing my work. I am not going to buy something cheap to use Office.
 
That is a good thing... a really good thing.

Should I conclude that you do not like Access?

I have never used Access so it will not make any difference if it is never released for Mac.

As for other Office software, I do not care either. I do not use Publisher, for instance. And, quite honestly, there are better solutions for desktop publishing, either on Windows and on OS X.
 
Should I conclude that you do not like Access?

I have never used Access so it will not make any difference if it is never released for Mac.

As for other Office software, I do not care either. I do not use Publisher, for instance. And, quite honestly, there are better solutions for desktop publishing, either on Windows and on OS X.

It's useless software. Much better DBMS options exist out there.
 
I never knew why Microsoft didn't just release the same Office across both platforms. It would make it much easier for a user if they had to switch between the two.
Just release Office 365 and it is the same on Windows, OS X and iOS. Then let 1 subscription rule them all.
 
I had an office subscription for a few months, for my ipad and macs. But I had to be honest with myself, it doesn't offer any real value to me personally over what Pages/Keynote/Numbers already offer, which was free with my ipad. Most of my document needs are relatively simple anyways.

If they would offer Office for iPad-only, then I would probably subscribe if it was $2.99 (max) per month. Otherwise, it's just not worth it to me. Office on the mac absolutely bites, it is truly terrible. You need a PhD in Quantum Electrodynamics in order to operate their skydrive file system with office on the mac.
 
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I never knew why Microsoft didn't just release the same Office across both platforms. It would make it much easier for a user if they had to switch between the two.
Just release Office 365 and it is the same on Windows, OS X and iOS. Then let 1 subscription rule them all.

You're aware that Office 365 is more than just the "cloud" right? It is a subscription license version of their desktop (2013) software as well.

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Don't you use Microsoft Word? I thought it was the most popular piece of software ever...

Very rarely do I use it.
 
For Mac? Which ones? FileMaker, perhaps?

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Don't you use Microsoft Word? I thought it was the most popular piece of software ever...

In my experience, people use Word because that's all they know. They'll use it for horrible things, like sending copy or images, creating stupid signs, and making ridiculous attempts at Desktop publishing. I even read about one idiot who "makes websites" in Word.

Most college students could get by just fine with TextEdit, most office workers would be easily served by Google Docs, and there are far better options for professional writers, such as LaTeX or Mellel (if you have to have a WYSIWYG editor). MathType pales in comparison to the native mathematical typesetting features of LaTeX. Everyone talks about collaboration but Word has nothing on MacTex and a Github repo. That said, there's still a use for Word if you're creating documents that are going to be printed or stored in PDF and you lack the skill to use a better tool. In my opinion, creating documents that are stored in Word is foolish. Long term storage should be made with .txt files and PDFs.

Excel is a different story for many types of analysis. I have a heavy background in stats so the gap between Numbers and some dedicated statistics application such as Stata or R is relatively small. Still, I do use Excel at the expense of Numbers.

Keynote is so much better than PowerPoint, it's not even funny. The only possible exception would be embedding Excel docs into PowerPoint.

Considering your posting in this thread, it sounds like you need a PC.
 
While I don't entirely agree with your dismissal that the App Store is an "enormous" success, I do agree with your other statements.

Any store will be successful if it is or ONLY store. I'm sure many developers wish they could bypass the iOS App Store and it's 30% share of revenue if they could.

The Mac App Store however, is not the only place to download content. Developers like Microsoft and Adobe will not want to give up their 30% when they don't have to. Additionally, apps sold through the App Store have artificial limitations placed on them due to Apple's sandbox rules and many developers want to add functionality that the App Store simply won't allow. I have purchased software from the MAS simply because it's dead easy and straight forward, but I also will get it directly from the developer.

True true. Everything true. The MAS is only one of the numerous ways people put software into their Macs. There are also other physical ways as well, including transferring data and software via USB Flash Drives as well as (external) CD/DVD drives (aka Apple SuperDrives). That's in addition to the MAS, the Steam Store, many other DRM App Stores, and also direct download of OSX files from the internet.

All in all, this explains why the MAS could not and would not necessarily "dominate" as the distribution channel of choice.

And yes, sad as it is, I also predict that Microsoft will continue to refuse selling MS Office in the Mac App Store…. simply because they do not want to lose 30% of profits to Apple.

Let's all remember that Microsoft is still primarily a software company (unlike Apple). Microsoft profits and revenues depend on the huge margins of selling software. If they were stupid enough to let go of their margins, for example by allowing companies like Apple to take a 30% chunk of MS Office revenue, then Microsoft profits would surely take a nosedive (as far as investors are concerned, that would be a strategic mistake).
 
I never knew why Microsoft didn't just release the same Office across both platforms. It would make it much easier for a user if they had to switch between the two.
Just release Office 365 and it is the same on Windows, OS X and iOS. Then let 1 subscription rule them all.

For those of you that did not know, what we know today as Microsoft Office was originally a Mac application. Word, PowerPoint and Excel were originally written for the Mac. This was before Windows exploded onto the marketplace with Windows version 3.1 and then Windows 95.

In the early years of Windows up to about the the time Windows 98 came out, Office on the Mac was superior. Microsoft then switched their focus to the windows version and development on the Mac version slowed down. Since then, Microsoft's focus was on Windows.

Beginning this year, we've seen them refocus their efforts to other platforms as well. with this refocus, I think we will see the Mac version get some more attention and parity between the two will likely even out at least as far as the core Office Apps are concerned which would include, Excel, Word, PowerPoint, One Note and Outlook.
 
In my experience, people use Word because that's all they know. They'll use it for horrible things, like sending copy or images, creating stupid signs, and making ridiculous attempts at Desktop publishing. I even read about one idiot who "makes websites" in Word.

I understand that most people use Word for things other than word processing. Word is not the best piece of software for handling these tasks.

Most college students could get by just fine with TextEdit, most office workers would be easily served by Google Docs, and there are far better options for professional writers, such as LaTeX or Mellel (if you have to have a WYSIWYG editor). MathType pales in comparison to the native mathematical typesetting features of LaTeX. Everyone talks about collaboration but Word has nothing on MacTex and a Github repo. That said, there's still a use for Word if you're creating documents that are going to be printed or stored in PDF and you lack the skill to use a better tool. In my opinion, creating documents that are stored in Word is foolish. Long term storage should be made with .txt files and PDFs.

I do not agree here.

Although several college students would be just fine with TextEdit, they can benefit of Word's features, even though not using all of them. Grammar check, for instance, is very useful, and it does not require any deep knowledge of Word.

Some office workers can do their jobs with Google Docs, but not all of them. I work in a law firm and Word is the only option. I have to exchange documents with clients and other attorneys and everybody uses Word. Some documents use complex formatting such as cross-references. I cannot afford to use something else, as incompatibilities may arise. And I cannot say to the client that I use the free Google Docs instead of Microsoft Office; it is no excuse, especially considering that the client is paying fees and expects the delivery of top-notch work. No, I cannot use Google Docs. Some office workers can afford to use Google Docs, but lots of them cannot.

As for professional writing, I have my doubts. I tried using LaTeX and I came to the conclusion it fits well people who works with maths. However, I cannot and will not use LaTeX. Nearly nobody uses it, and there is a learning curve I am not willing to take. Mellel is good, but it suffers from serious incompatibilities with Microsoft Word. The thing is, every piece of professional work that I have ever written had to be sent to someone else for publishing or anything else, and this person expected to receive a Microsoft Word file. I always have to convert the file to .DOC or .DOCX and ensure it will keep the formatting when opened in Microsoft Word. It did not take long for me to reach the conclusion that the most straightforward choice was to use Microsoft Word to write the document. Anyway, I did not find any reason not to use Microsoft Word. Word 2013 for Windows seems to me superior to all other word processors – it consumes less memory, has more features, and the features are easier to find and use. So, why not use it? Just because I should be anti-Microsoft?

Excel is a different story for many types of analysis. I have a heavy background in stats so the gap between Numbers and some dedicated statistics application such as Stata or R is relatively small. Still, I do use Excel at the expense of Numbers.

I understand that Microsoft Excel is a must-have for many people and that Numbers does not fill the gap. I do not use Excel extensively, though.

Keynote is so much better than PowerPoint, it's not even funny. The only possible exception would be embedding Excel docs into PowerPoint.

I have never used Keynote extensively. However, I was under the impression that, after many years without a significant update, PowerPoint had taken the lead. Anyway, it does not matter. All my presentations have to be opened in someone else's computer, and this computer is always a PC running PowerPoint. Therefore, I have to use PowerPoint. If I use Keynote, the presentation may be better, but I will not be able to show it to my audience, so it is pointless.

Considering your posting in this thread, it sounds like you need a PC.

I don't know. Perhaps I do.

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For those of you that did not know, what we know today as Microsoft Office was originally a Mac application. Word, PowerPoint and Excel were originally written for the Mac. This was before Windows exploded onto the marketplace with Windows version 3.1 and then Windows 95.

In the early years of Windows up to about the the time Windows 98 came out, Office on the Mac was superior. Microsoft then switched their focus to the windows version and development on the Mac version slowed down. Since then, Microsoft's focus was on Windows.

Beginning this year, we've seen them refocus their efforts to other platforms as well. with this refocus, I think we will see the Mac version get some more attention and parity between the two will likely even out at least as far as the core Office Apps are concerned which would include, Excel, Word, PowerPoint, One Note and Outlook.

Yes, Microsoft focused on Office for Windows over the years and Office for Mac – which came first – lagged behind.

I really hope Microsoft is doing something about it.

I have found some piece of news today that may be interesting: http://www.zdnet.com/admins-wanted-for-mac-outlook-setup-survey-7000033405/

It refers to a blog post here: http://www.officeformachelp.com/201...outlook-for-mac-exchange-setup-script-survey/

According to these news, a survey is being conducted about planned changes in Outlook for Mac. The survey will end on October 31, 2014, and the blog poster is going to meet Microsoft's Mac team in early November 2014. The poster cannot reveal any additional information about it because he is under an NDA with Microsoft.

Can this mean that these changes to Outlook will show up in the next Office? And that, considering that the poster will meet Microsoft's team in November, that the next Office for Mac is not going to be released before the end of the year?
 
Most college students could get by just fine with TextEdit, most office workers would be easily served by Google Docs,

I'd say you're completely wrong on that. Current day students need a full flexed word processor, not handing in work form a text editor.

As for Google Docs, I'd prefer not using any google services.
 
I never knew why Microsoft didn't just release the same Office across both platforms. It would make it much easier for a user if they had to switch between the two.

Just release Office 365 and it is the same on Windows, OS X and iOS. Then let 1 subscription rule them all.


Not that easy. Microsoft would have to re-write Office for Mac in order to achieve that.

Of course I would prefer to have the same Office in every platform. I would be glad to subscribe to Office 365 knowing that I will have the same experience and features in any platform. However, I understand that this is not feasible.
 
And back to the original question...

Look, IMO we're all lucky there's a serious Mac business unit at all given the size of the Mac market and Microsoft's feelings about supporting other platforms than Windows. They sat on the iPad version of Office for over 3 years, despite that market being far, far larger.

Back to the original question - it's now September, and no signs or betas of Office 2014 for Mac. Anyone hear any news on release dates? I'm always wondering at what point there will only be 365.
 
I'd say you're completely wrong on that. Current day students need a full flexed word processor, not handing in work form a text editor.

As for Google Docs, I'd prefer not using any google services.

Like what? There isn't a Professor on the planet that won't accept a document with 1" margins, 12 pt Times/Baskerville, and double spacing. It has itemized and enumerated lists, spell check, adjustable margins and can export to PDF. Unless you're using math, there's no point in using something else.

I'm currently an MBA student with degrees in Econ and English that has graded thousands of undergraduate papers. I write the majority of my notes and papers in SublimeText before putting in LaTeX format or copying into a word processor for final markup. What, exactly, does your average undergrad need that TextEdit doesn't offer?
 
Many classes require Microsoft word documents from on. The days of handing printed paper is coming to a close.

Formatting is more then just a 1" margin as well, as people put more work into their homework.

then there's all the collaboration going on where you need to pass in homework that was done by a team, again not something that can easily done with a text editor.
 
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