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16GB. When I had 8GB I never saw page outs except when running Parallels. Then they went through the roof. Once I upgraded to 16GB, no more page outs. That's why I recommend 16GB to anyone planning on running a VM.

I could not agree more. Even on a mid-2013 MBA, with Core i7 and 8GB of memory, running Parallels or VmWare can seriously hamper performance.
 
I could not agree more. Even on a mid-2013 MBA, with Core i7 and 8GB of memory, running Parallels or VmWare can seriously hamper performance.

You're running two operating systems, the more ram the better.
 
I could not agree more. Even on a mid-2013 MBA, with Core i7 and 8GB of memory, running Parallels or VmWare can seriously hamper performance.

Yes, this is what I have. And performance with Parallels running is far from great.
 
How much RAM do you have? For me, it is hard to run a Parallels machine. I have 8 GB of RAM and I can see the performance penalty Parallels imposes. I should have gone 16 GB.

I'm in the same boat. Hate the Mac office version, so I use Parallels and it is extremely sluggish when using excel or access. 8 GB of ram also.
 
Have you ever used pivot tables? Honestly?
As much as I hate Microsoft Office, this is the best feature in it that I miss - and maybe 3D graphs!

I used to do analyze large amounts of data as part of my job and people loved to see these things in presentations so I gave them what they wanted! I don't work in that field anymore, but Excel was a great tool.

I use Pages and Numbers now. I only use create spreadsheets for myself now and pivot tables and 3D graphs are not part of it!
 
Have you ever used pivot tables? Honestly?

What if he used pivot tables dishonestly? (like in calculating a rigged raffle) :p

I assure you he has, as have I. It is an indispensable tool that Numbers simply fails to do.
Pivot tables are indeed extremely helpful. I watched a YouTube tutorial on Numbers where the guy shows how to use Numbers' "Table Categories" to provide pivot table-like functionality. It isn't a true alternative to pivot tables but might be helpful for some.
 
Pivot tables are indeed extremely helpful. I watched a YouTube tutorial on Numbers where the guy shows how to use Numbers' "Table Categories" to provide pivot table-like functionality. It isn't a true alternative to pivot tables but might be helpful for some.

While I never used pivot tables myself, I can understand how helpful they may be.

My primary use is Word and PowerPoint. And Outlook.
 
You're running two operating systems, the more ram the better.

Quick question. You run Windows 8.1 via VMWare Fusion 7 right? Have you experienced a slow down when shutting Windows down? In Fusion 6, Windows 8.1 shut down within a few seconds. Ever since I updated to Fusion 7 I get the Windows shut down screen and then the loading indicator stops rotating and it sits there for about 20 seconds until it suddenly shuts down.
 
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Quick question. You run Windows 8.1 via VMWare Fusion 7 right? Have you experienced a slow down when shutting Windows down? In Fusion 6 Windows 8.1 shut down within a few seconds. Every since updated to Fusion 7 I get the Windows shut down screen and then the loading indicator stops rotating and it sets there for about 20 seconds until it suddenly shuts down.

I have this issue, too.
 
Quick question. You run Windows 8.1 via VMWare Fusion 7 right? Have you experienced a slow down when shutting Windows down? In Fusion 6 Windows 8.1 shut down within a few seconds. Every since updated to Fusion 7 I get the Windows shut down screen and then the loading indicator stops rotating and it sets there for about 20 seconds until it suddenly shuts down.

I'm noticing a number have areas where there is some lag, for instance, right clicking on the desktop to bring up the context menu. All in all Fusion 7 is solid but its not perfect
 
Just got my free Office 365 license from my university. They should speed things up. I hate Office 2011. It's really slow if you open up huge documents.
 
Just got my free Office 365 license from my university. They should speed things up. I hate Office 2011. It's really slow if you open up huge documents.

I feel Office 2011 is really slow. It is slow to handle large PowerPoint presentations.

However, I have noticed something interesting in the last few days, while I was handling a 300-page document with 1,000+ footnotes in Word. Every time I added I new footnote in Word 2013 for Windows, it slowed down and took a while to repaginate the whole document before adding such footnote. Under Word 2011 for Mac, adding a footnote was much faster. Anybody else has a similar experience?

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Windows 10.

Either way, was hoping for at least one of the journalists there to quiz someone about it, but seemingly no one did.

Not a word about the next Office version for Mac.

There has been two versions of Windows – Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 – after the release of Office 2011. Now, Microsoft is announcing yet another version. And there has been one version of Office for Windows since the release of Office 2011 for Mac, and images of a new beta have already leaked online. Meanwhile, there are no signs of the next Office for Mac so far.

Perhaps I should really give up this Mac stuff and just use a Windows computer instead...
 
Perhaps I should really give up this Mac stuff and just use a Windows computer instead...

Blaspheme! :D
Seriously I use my Mac at work, but still have to go back to the ol' StinkPad for most Office work since Office for Mac is so lacking. I really wish M$ would correct this.
 
Blaspheme! :D
Seriously I use my Mac at work, but still have to go back to the ol' StinkPad for most Office work since Office for Mac is so lacking. I really wish M$ would correct this.

:rolleyes:

Office for Mac is indeed very lacking. And the software I use most is an office suite. Alright, I use web browsers and PDF readers as well, but these are OS-agnostic to a certain extent. It doesn't make much difference which one I use anyway. But the office suite... well, it does.

And perhaps I come to the conclusion that a Mac is not worth it after all without a decent office suite. Why should I pay more for a Mac if it does less than a PC?
 
:rolleyes:

Office for Mac is indeed very lacking. And the software I use most is an office suite. Alright, I use web browsers and PDF readers as well, but these are OS-agnostic to a certain extent. It doesn't make much difference which one I use anyway. But the office suite... well, it does.

And perhaps I come to the conclusion that a Mac is not worth it after all without a decent office suite. Why should I pay more for a Mac if it does less than a PC?
If MS Office is that central to your workflow then it would be unnecessarily burdensome to be on a Mac. I bought an Asus 11.6" netbook for a variety of Windows-centric purposes, one of which is Office. It's much less hassle for me to use a $279 netbook than to wrestle with the Mac version of Offic.


At this point in time, Pages '09, Pixelmator, e-Sword (via Wineskin Winery) are central apps to my workflow. (many other apps are important to me, but they have equal versions for OSX and Windows)

If there comes a time when an OSX update prevents any of those from working, I'll be seriously looking at switching platforms.
 
If MS Office is that central to your workflow then it would be unnecessarily burdensome to be on a Mac. I bought an Asus 11.6" netbook for a variety of Windows-centric purposes, one of which is Office. It's much less hassle for me to use a $279 netbook than to wrestle with the Mac version of Offic.


At this point in time, Pages '09, Pixelmator, e-Sword (via Wineskin Winery) are central apps to my workflow. (many other apps are important to me, but they have equal versions for OSX and Windows)

If there comes a time when an OSX update prevents any of those from working, I'll be seriously looking at switching platforms.

Microsoft Office is definitely central to my workflow. Even more: in the environment I live and work, everybody uses Office and is expected to use Office, to the point that most of the people do not even know that something else exists. It is hard to replace it since it has more features than any other office suite and I have to keep compatible.

I could never use a US$ 300 netbook. To be honest, I bought my MacBook Pro because of its superior hardware. When I bought it, in June 2013, it was the only laptop that featured an IPS display with a resolution higher than Full HD. It had good components, and an SSD instead of the sluggish HDD used by most laptops. It had premium materials, and not that cheap feel of most PC counterparts. It has a great keyboard and trackpad. It has no heating issues. It is a great machine. Great hardware. When I bought it, the MacBook Pro was the only laptop that met my requirements. I set the bar high, I have to admit it.

As for software, I knew I would have to live with Office 2011 for some time, but I expected Microsoft to release a new version soon. The Windows version had come out a few months earlier, and there had been almost three years since the release of the last Mac version. How would I know that Microsoft would delay the launch for so much time? And how would I know that, after four years without a release, Apple would dumb-down iWork so that it improved its position as the office suite with less features in the whole world?

If I had to choose a laptop now, I don't know if I would buy a Mac again. Hardware is great. The problem is software. I mean, I do like OS X, it is fine. But what if I want to run other software, especially productivity software, that does not come out-of-the box?

As for the netbook thing, I would never buy one. I want an ultra-high resolution display, fast responses, premium materials, and a great keyboard and trackpad.
 
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